Are MCPS racist? Study out

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Almost every study shows it's 2 things

1. For the Rs People of color actually do act out more, and objectively perform at a lower level in school

2. For the Ds Most people are still racist and treat people of color differently

I have democrat friend who admit there is a parental and work ethic disparity and black and Hispanic patents need to be more involved

I’ve taught in both high poverty majority minority schools and Ws in this county. A clear disparity in ability, motivation, and parenting doesn’t exist. Sure, you can find enough examples to satisfy your confirmation bias, but there’s just as many non-examples. A white kid goes to California for two weeks, it’s an educational trip and an excused absence. A Latino kid goes to El Salvador for the same amount of time and it’s an unexcused family vacation. I’ve taught plenty of white middle schools whose parents were disengaged and plenty of AA and Latino ones where the parents were a great support.

And I can absolutely tell you that there are racist teachers and admins. When you point out the discrepancy in how they talk about and act towards white vs. minority children, they get angry. MCPS needs to focus on identifying and removing racist staff.

Do black students in a school led by a black principal have less reported suspension? There are a lot of principals are black, most of them were wonderful teachers in classroom before they left classroom. It will be interesting to breakdown data into each HS or MS to see if the race of the principals plays any role in student suspension.

Anecdotally, my experience has been the opposite. Our ES used to have a Black principal before he was promoted out of the school. Our new principal is white and the new principal seems bound and determined to just stop disciplining kids. Now every incident gets a "justice circle" where everyone, including kids clearly being bullied and/or assaulted, has to talk about their actions. So even if a kid did nothing and got beat up on the playground, they have to talk about how they could have handled the incident differently. Then apparently everyone just walks away - no punishment for the perpetrators, no discussion of the impact of their actions on the class. Just an endless round of self-criticism followed by....nothing.

This made me LOL, because we had the same thing happen at our ES. Doubt it's the same school because our previous principal was not Black.

We had a kid last year who had all sorts of crazy outbursts - threw furniture in the classroom, yelled at the teacher, etc. Kid definitely never got suspended. Instead, one time, the teacher even had the other students write notes about how they hoped he'd be better or some nonsense. As if his crappy behavior is somehow due to the other kids in the classroom.

Sorry, but that is insane! My kids are NOT responsible for another kid's bad behavior. Ridiculous to make the other 25 well-behaved ten year olds in the classroom waste their time trying to make sure they don't 'trigger' the kid with issues.

[Anonymous]

Hispanics are not minority in MCPS. So if we take the blacks, Whites and Asians, Asians are less likely to have discipline issues than blacks or whites. Proving that there is no racial discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Sigh....

1. Yes the article is sloppy, poorly articulated and not a quality piece of journalism which pretty much defines anything written in Bethesda Magazine.

2. Just because the article is poorly constructed, it doesn't mean that there is no problem. The author just did a bad job making his point. There was a study in the past within MCPS that found patterns with AA/Latino students being punished more harshly than white/asian students in the same school for the same infraction. This is meaningful data and does show racial bias playing a factor in discipline. Several years ago, Blair students did a piece several years ago about a day in the life at Blair. They showed how a black kid walking through the halls without a pass got into trouble while a white kid was just told to go back to class. This played out several more times in different examples. It is an issue and can often be much worse in schools where there are large numbers of low performing AA/Latino students and higher performing Whites/Asians.

3. The answer is not to stop enforcing school rules if a AA/Latino breaks them. The answer is not to make up a justice circle to treat bullying victims/attackers the same. The answer is not to pressure schools to not report incidents to take care of "optic". The answer is to address the problem! Institute some bias awareness training. Institute a review board that reviews individual incidents and the corresponding punishments. Do not just reward principals for just reporting out lower numbers of AA/Latino punishments. Don't incentivize the wrong behavior. MCPS principals are experts at giving the central office what they ask for and the central office needs to start thinking before asking for something that doesn't solve the problem.

[Anonymous]

I have been home schooling my 1st grade son since the middle of Kindergarten last year because Greencastle Elementary school's ghetto disrespectful staff(Assistant Principle Nia Benoit &Shazia Rizvi) bullied him and me as a parent. Additionally they harrassed me daily during my post partum period (after having my newborn) after I complained about Miss Nia Benoit whom negligantly injured my son causing a gash/abrasion on his arm/elbow tripping over him "accidentally" called me to say "My Bad" not apologetic. As well as Miss Shazia Rizvi whom restrained him without my consent dragging/humiliating him in the hallway anti-Semitic remarks about me after a meeting etc They (MCPS/Prejudice Nationalists) wanted to fail him (like they did me and my brother in the 90's having naive immigrant parents whom allowed it).... They wanted me to be cool with them making him another statistic like they do the other minority students mostly Black& hispanic students who recieve more discipline than education ( White Anglo Saxon mainstream Americans is whom they favor #Facts ). My 6 year old son can now read and write. He can name all 45 US presidents in order. He knows all 50 united states, all 8 planets and about God & Religon. All of what MCPS is unable to educate my child, I do so myself from home.

[Anonymous]

^wow .. lady you are wacked. God & Religion? Um. ok. MCPS doesn't educate students about god so, yea I guess you are doing a better job in regards to teachings about god. Not sure about your son's emotional and mental well being, though, being home schooled by you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread. SMH

+1000 Seriously.

In a probably futile attempt to add something sensible to this thread ...

I think a major problem with only looking at race is that you don't control for Socio-Economic Status or other impacts such as Special education students, including those coded with emotional disabilities. In my experience as a teacher, there is a correlation between poorer students having more disrupted home lives, which leads to more challenging classroom behaviors. I do not deny that there are studies that show that teachers will tolerate certain behavior more from white students than black/brown students. But there is also likely to be more disrupted behavior from poor students, who are more likely to be black or brown. Whittle this data to show only students from families with HHI >$100k, and the disparity will likely be much less.

This is the belief that so many people point to as an explanation for what is going on. Unfortunately, in studies done throughout the U.S., the discrepancy between discipline rates for the same behaviors holds true when the black students in question are from high-SES families. At that point, I think you need to concede that racism is the explanation.

Not sure why people get so offended at this point. This country was founded and built on racism. It’s in this country’s veins and we continually see it in most aspects of daily life. If you know anything about our history, What should be surprising is to *not* see racial disparities and unequal treatment, especially when it comes to school discipline.

I find the mental gymnastics used to dismiss these points by playing minorities against each other (e.g. references to Asians/model minority myth—-an old strategy folks...) and citing age old mythical stereotypes about “black culture” not valuing education and poor parenting, is cowardly. My message to these people (who happen to spend an inordinate amount of time in the MCPS forum), Have integrity and own your biases and negative beliefs and stop wrapping it unproven BS. At least the bigots of yesterday weren’t afraid to own it. Instead you hide behind pseudo science, circular reasoning with a healthy dose of ignorance. Pity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread. SMH

+1000 Seriously.

In a probably futile attempt to add something sensible to this thread ...

I think a major problem with only looking at race is that you don't control for Socio-Economic Status or other impacts such as Special education students, including those coded with emotional disabilities. In my experience as a teacher, there is a correlation between poorer students having more disrupted home lives, which leads to more challenging classroom behaviors. I do not deny that there are studies that show that teachers will tolerate certain behavior more from white students than black/brown students. But there is also likely to be more disrupted behavior from poor students, who are more likely to be black or brown. Whittle this data to show only students from families with HHI >$100k, and the disparity will likely be much less.

This is the belief that so many people point to as an explanation for what is going on. Unfortunately, in studies done throughout the U.S., the discrepancy between discipline rates for the same behaviors holds true when the black students in question are from high-SES families. At that point, I think you need to concede that racism is the explanation.

They did a similar study in the U.K. which has the same suspension disparity rates as the US, but they broke it down by nationality. They found that black immigrant children were suspended/disciplined at a lower rate than native white children at the same time that native black children were suspended/disciplined at a much higher rate. They also found discrepancies amongst the Asian students based on country of origin.

I know that racism is the "go to" explanation for EVERYTHING today, but different rates of suspensions doesn't necessarily prove that. You see the same disparities in crime, with affluent blacks committing crimes at the same rate as lower-middle class whites, even though the crime rate for both groups drop as SES goes up.

[Anonymous]

What I’ve noticed is anything or anyone that is even perceived as standing in the way of socialism or globalism is ‘racist’. And anything or anyone who is racist but aids the socialist globalist cause... gets a pass.

Public education once taught through history, civics, and the classics how to avoid being tricked by demogogues, charlatans, and scallywags into supporting such totalitarian ideology. We failed though, now schools serve to indoctrinate into totalitarian groupthink.

To think MoCo who once had the wherewithal to name high schools after Einstein, Kennedy, Whitman, and Churchill is now producing students diametrically opposed to what those men stood for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sigh....

1. Yes the article is sloppy, poorly articulated and not a quality piece of journalism which pretty much defines anything written in Bethesda Magazine.

2. Just because the article is poorly constructed, it doesn't mean that there is no problem. The author just did a bad job making his point. There was a study in the past within MCPS that found patterns with AA/Latino students being punished more harshly than white/asian students in the same school for the same infraction. This is meaningful data and does show racial bias playing a factor in discipline. Several years ago, Blair students did a piece several years ago about a day in the life at Blair. They showed how a black kid walking through the halls without a pass got into trouble while a white kid was just told to go back to class. This played out several more times in different examples. It is an issue and can often be much worse in schools where there are large numbers of low performing AA/Latino students and higher performing Whites/Asians.

3. The answer is not to stop enforcing school rules if a AA/Latino breaks them. The answer is not to make up a justice circle to treat bullying victims/attackers the same. The answer is not to pressure schools to not report incidents to take care of "optic". The answer is to address the problem! Institute some bias awareness training. Institute a review board that reviews individual incidents and the corresponding punishments. Do not just reward principals for just reporting out lower numbers of AA/Latino punishments. Don't incentivize the wrong behavior. MCPS principals are experts at giving the central office what they ask for and the central office needs to start thinking before asking for something that doesn't solve the problem.

+1

[Anonymous]

I sat through a presentation at an MCPS school about restorative justice. One parent turned around and asked an AA administrator, "Why not have AA and HI teachers teach AA and HI students, if there is evidence that WH teachers are racists?." The shocking answer that was given was that Black teachers prefer to have Asian-American students!!!

Asian-American students are highly coveted students by all races of teachers because they are going to excel academically, finish assignments on time and will not have behavioral or disciplinary issues. These students make the working day easier for the teachers. It makes sense to remove them from the study.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sigh....

1. Yes the article is sloppy, poorly articulated and not a quality piece of journalism which pretty much defines anything written in Bethesda Magazine.

2. Just because the article is poorly constructed, it doesn't mean that there is no problem. The author just did a bad job making his point. There was a study in the past within MCPS that found patterns with AA/Latino students being punished more harshly than white/asian students in the same school for the same infraction. This is meaningful data and does show racial bias playing a factor in discipline. Several years ago, Blair students did a piece several years ago about a day in the life at Blair. They showed how a black kid walking through the halls without a pass got into trouble while a white kid was just told to go back to class. This played out several more times in different examples. It is an issue and can often be much worse in schools where there are large numbers of low performing AA/Latino students and higher performing Whites/Asians.

3. The answer is not to stop enforcing school rules if a AA/Latino breaks them. The answer is not to make up a justice circle to treat bullying victims/attackers the same. The answer is not to pressure schools to not report incidents to take care of "optic". The answer is to address the problem! Institute some bias awareness training. Institute a review board that reviews individual incidents and the corresponding punishments. Do not just reward principals for just reporting out lower numbers of AA/Latino punishments. Don't incentivize the wrong behavior. MCPS principals are experts at giving the central office what they ask for and the central office needs to start thinking before asking for something that doesn't solve the problem.

+1

+2.

Let's just deal with the truth whatever it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I sat through a presentation at an MCPS school about restorative justice. One parent turned around and asked an AA administrator, "Why not have AA and HI teachers teach AA and HI students, if there is evidence that WH teachers are racists?." The shocking answer that was given was that Black teachers prefer to have Asian-American students!!!

Asian-American students are highly coveted students by all races of teachers because they are going to excel academically, finish assignments on time and will not have behavioral or disciplinary issues. These students make the working day easier for the teachers. It makes sense to remove them from the study.

Well, there's my morning quota of model-minority stereotyping.

[Anonymous]

MoCo schools are the most Liberal schools I have ever seen, plus the elected positions are unilaterally run by Democrats. Every facet of MoCo school administration and government policy embraces leftist perspectives.

If the schools are racist then it’s makes a compelling argument that liberals and Democrats
have utterly failed us and it’s time to elect conservatives and Republicans to MoCo school and office holding positions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MoCo schools are the most Liberal schools I have ever seen, plus the elected positions are unilaterally run by Democrats. Every facet of MoCo school administration and government policy embraces leftist perspectives.

If the schools are racist then it’s makes a compelling argument that liberals and Democrats
have utterly failed us and it’s time to elect conservatives and Republicans to MoCo school and office holding positions.

Do you live in Montgomery County? The seats on the Board of Education are non-partisan.

[Anonymous]

Yes, MCPS is Racist!
Instead of track each student’s progress, it divide the students based on their skin color. They lump all the blacks together as everyone in the group below average, no matter if you are academic capable or not . This created an image of black students=failed students.