Anyone else still drinking?

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Anonymous wrote:Hey can we not turn this into the normal 'people who drink wine gate their babies and 'people who abstain love their babies?'

I'm an occasional-glass-is-ok person but I think OP has a problem. Devolving into the normal bickering will prevent her from seeing it.

This is exactly why there should be nuance in the conversation. There is a lot of space between 'i never touch a drop of the devil juice' and 'I have a glass of wine once a week' and 'I drink to cope with my anxiety and comfort my husband' and 'I drink 40s every night after I have a cig'

OP sounds like she has a problem but she'll be able to ignore it if a bunch of crazies come on here excoriating the occasional glass folks.

+1. Finally some logic on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I drank pretty often before pregnancy. I get very emotional/stressed while pregnant, way more than usual. I only have 1-1.5 servings of alcohol at a time on a full stomach, not often, but I feel guilty still. I don't tell anyone but my husband. He encourages it because I am pretty high strung and misses having someone to drink with. Negative comments go ahead, I'll ignore. Looking for others who are doing the same.

Does your husband not have friends?

I drank a little bit, like my 8 glasses of wine my entire pregnancy.

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Anonymous wrote:OP I think people exaggerate on the alcohol thing, but it's hard to tell if you have an issue. Depending on how big a "serving" is, 1.5 servings a few times a week could be a lot in the 1st tri especially ... and people generally under-estimte how much they drink. If you could say honestly you had 1 white wine spritzer with 2 oz of wine about once a week ... no biggie. But if your "serving" is a giant 6oz glass of wine and you drink 3-4 nights/week ... that is a problem.

I don't like that your DH pressures you either.

I will tell you the truth, which is that I drank lightly (like 2oz of wine 2x/week) and would not do it again if I had another baby. It's a very short period of time, and my general parenting values (now that I have a kid) are to be very discerning and risk averse about my child's health.

What does this mean (bolded)?

I mean, I think they exaggerate on how bad truly light drinking is, given that there's no strong evidence for it being bad. The question is whether OP is actually engaged in "light drinking." https://systematicreviewsjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2046-4053-3-1

I completely disagree with you, but I know a number of fetal alcohol babies. Alcohol is bad for your fetus. Period.

But how much did these fetal babies moms drink while pregnant? Context matters. Any doctor worth their salt will tell you that there is a huge difference in risks to the baby with a pregnant woman who is a heavy drinker vs. one who has an occasional glass of wine.

Hello, no amount of alcohol is a good thing for any baby.

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Anonymous wrote:OP I think people exaggerate on the alcohol thing, but it's hard to tell if you have an issue. Depending on how big a "serving" is, 1.5 servings a few times a week could be a lot in the 1st tri especially ... and people generally under-estimte how much they drink. If you could say honestly you had 1 white wine spritzer with 2 oz of wine about once a week ... no biggie. But if your "serving" is a giant 6oz glass of wine and you drink 3-4 nights/week ... that is a problem.

I don't like that your DH pressures you either.

I will tell you the truth, which is that I drank lightly (like 2oz of wine 2x/week) and would not do it again if I had another baby. It's a very short period of time, and my general parenting values (now that I have a kid) are to be very discerning and risk averse about my child's health.

What does this mean (bolded)?

I mean, I think they exaggerate on how bad truly light drinking is, given that there's no strong evidence for it being bad. The question is whether OP is actually engaged in "light drinking." https://systematicreviewsjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2046-4053-3-1

I completely disagree with you, but I know a number of fetal alcohol babies. Alcohol is bad for your fetus. Period.

But how much did these fetal babies moms drink while pregnant? Context matters. Any doctor worth their salt will tell you that there is a huge difference in risks to the baby with a pregnant woman who is a heavy drinker vs. one who has an occasional glass of wine.

Hello, no amount of alcohol is a good thing for any baby.

Can you back up your claim that “any” amount of alcohol is “bad” for your baby? No, you can’t. So quit repeating it over and over.

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Anonymous wrote:OP I think people exaggerate on the alcohol thing, but it's hard to tell if you have an issue. Depending on how big a "serving" is, 1.5 servings a few times a week could be a lot in the 1st tri especially ... and people generally under-estimte how much they drink. If you could say honestly you had 1 white wine spritzer with 2 oz of wine about once a week ... no biggie. But if your "serving" is a giant 6oz glass of wine and you drink 3-4 nights/week ... that is a problem.

I don't like that your DH pressures you either.

I will tell you the truth, which is that I drank lightly (like 2oz of wine 2x/week) and would not do it again if I had another baby. It's a very short period of time, and my general parenting values (now that I have a kid) are to be very discerning and risk averse about my child's health.

What does this mean (bolded)?

I mean, I think they exaggerate on how bad truly light drinking is, given that there's no strong evidence for it being bad. The question is whether OP is actually engaged in "light drinking." https://systematicreviewsjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2046-4053-3-1

I completely disagree with you, but I know a number of fetal alcohol babies. Alcohol is bad for your fetus. Period.

But how much did these fetal babies moms drink while pregnant? Context matters. Any doctor worth their salt will tell you that there is a huge difference in risks to the baby with a pregnant woman who is a heavy drinker vs. one who has an occasional glass of wine.

Hello, no amount of alcohol is a good thing for any baby.

Can you back up your claim that “any” amount of alcohol is “bad” for your baby? No, you can’t. So quit repeating it over and over.

Her “claim” is that no amount of alcohol is a good thing for any baby. So, how about you point us to some studies that alcohol is a good thing for a baby. I’ll wait.

[Anonymous]

Can't be bothered to let myself get upset by another thread on this topic

Women who drink while pregnant are selfish and disgusting

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, IF you choose to engage in the occasional drink during pregnancy (...and I agree you referring to it as "still drinking" is a red flag), you unequivocally should not be drinking enough that you feel its effects, at all. So your purported excuse of using it to self-medicate for anxiety is concerning for multiple reasons.

Agree your husband's attitude sounds seriously worrisome. And I don't think your approach to drinking sounds healthy or normal, either. Fwiw I will have the occasional small drink here and there, although I personally wouldn't do it until the second tri.

+1

Yeah...this is what I'm not getting either. You unequiv Valley should NOT be feeling if, at all, even if you do choose to drink occasionally...

[Anonymous]

OP I drank throughout my pregnancy but it was a glass or two a week. You clearly have a drinking problem because you are drinking to curb your anxiety/stress. The fact that your husband needs a drinking partner is also a red flag. I suggest you talk to your OB about this. She can tell you how many servings are fine. In your case though I would abstain completely since drinking for emotional reasons probably means you can’t control the quantity you drink. Fetal Alchol syndrome is no joke. Either you drink responsibly or you don’t drink at all. End of story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can't be bothered to let myself get upset by another thread on this topic

Women who drink while pregnant are selfish and disgusting

Agree.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hey can we not turn this into the normal 'people who drink wine gate their babies and 'people who abstain love their babies?'

I'm an occasional-glass-is-ok person but I think OP has a problem. Devolving into the normal bickering will prevent her from seeing it.

This is exactly why there should be nuance in the conversation. There is a lot of space between 'i never touch a drop of the devil juice' and 'I have a glass of wine once a week' and 'I drink to cope with my anxiety and comfort my husband' and 'I drink 40s every night after I have a cig'

OP sounds like she has a problem but she'll be able to ignore it if a bunch of crazies come on here excoriating the occasional glass folks.

+1. Finally some logic on this thread.

+2

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Anonymous wrote:OP I think people exaggerate on the alcohol thing, but it's hard to tell if you have an issue. Depending on how big a "serving" is, 1.5 servings a few times a week could be a lot in the 1st tri especially ... and people generally under-estimte how much they drink. If you could say honestly you had 1 white wine spritzer with 2 oz of wine about once a week ... no biggie. But if your "serving" is a giant 6oz glass of wine and you drink 3-4 nights/week ... that is a problem.

I don't like that your DH pressures you either.

I will tell you the truth, which is that I drank lightly (like 2oz of wine 2x/week) and would not do it again if I had another baby. It's a very short period of time, and my general parenting values (now that I have a kid) are to be very discerning and risk averse about my child's health.

What does this mean (bolded)?

I mean, I think they exaggerate on how bad truly light drinking is, given that there's no strong evidence for it being bad. The question is whether OP is actually engaged in "light drinking." https://systematicreviewsjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2046-4053-3-1

I completely disagree with you, but I know a number of fetal alcohol babies. Alcohol is bad for your fetus. Period.

But how much did these fetal babies moms drink while pregnant? Context matters. Any doctor worth their salt will tell you that there is a huge difference in risks to the baby with a pregnant woman who is a heavy drinker vs. one who has an occasional glass of wine.

Hello, no amount of alcohol is a good thing for any baby.

Can you back up your claim that “any” amount of alcohol is “bad” for your baby? No, you can’t. So quit repeating it over and over.

Her “claim” is that no amount of alcohol is a good thing for any baby. So, how about you point us to some studies that alcohol is a good thing for a baby. I’ll wait.

NP: https://expectingscience.com/2016/02/10/light-drinking-during-pregnancy-7-things-you-need-to-know/
"One of the largest of these studies is the U.K. Millennium cohort, which has followed a nationally representative sample of 11,000 children born betwen 2000-2002. At age 3, age 5, and age 7, both boys and girls whose mothers drank about 1-2 drinks per week actually had better overall cognitive performance and fewer behavioral and attention problems than children whose mothers abstained from drinking during pregnancy. Heavier drinking, on the other hand, was associated with worse cognitive performance and more behavioral problems."

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Except that there are clear studies. As discussed earlier in this thread. Eating too much sugar is also known to have negative effects on the fetus, but we don't shame pregnant women for eating a cupcake.

Oh I would if I saw one. Sugar, msg, caffeine, car exhaust, that crap is all really bad for you and baby too but they don’t seem to care.

Wow - one cupcake? Good lord. Your life sounds exhausting. That level of judgment is totally unproductive. Literally nobody is going to stop eating cupcakes or drinking alcohol or caffeine (which has also been shown to be totally fine in moderation) because you think less of them for it. Trying to shame women really doesn't do anything except make people tune you out.

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Anonymous wrote:I drank pretty often before pregnancy. I get very emotional/stressed while pregnant, way more than usual. I only have 1-1.5 servings of alcohol at a time on a full stomach, not often, but I feel guilty still. I don't tell anyone but my husband. He encourages it because I am pretty high strung and misses having someone to drink with. Negative comments go ahead, I'll ignore. Looking for others who are doing the same.

Misery loves company.

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Anonymous wrote:We have this argument all the time. A bunch of people myself included drank very lightly during pregnancy. Like a white wine spritzer a night (half strength). A bunch of other women think we are insane for taking the risk. Everyone agrees the evidence favors the light drinkers but some people assume some damage is being done despite the evidence.

Now that I’ve summed it up this thread can stretch on to page 14 at least.

You are in denial if you think this constitutes "very light" drinking during pregnancy.

I agree, especially since some people's "half strength" could be actually a full serving.

So you think it’s not very light under the assumption that I am lying about the strength. Got it.

"strength" has no objective meaning. some people's half-strength is 2oz; others is 4. People are really bad at knowing what "one drink" is by public health measures.

DP but it's pretty obvious she's saying it's "half strength" because a spritzer is half wine, half club soda. That is half-strength by anyone's measure.

Um ... no. half of what? Basic math needed here.

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Anonymous wrote:OP I think people exaggerate on the alcohol thing, but it's hard to tell if you have an issue. Depending on how big a "serving" is, 1.5 servings a few times a week could be a lot in the 1st tri especially ... and people generally under-estimte how much they drink. If you could say honestly you had 1 white wine spritzer with 2 oz of wine about once a week ... no biggie. But if your "serving" is a giant 6oz glass of wine and you drink 3-4 nights/week ... that is a problem.

I don't like that your DH pressures you either.

I will tell you the truth, which is that I drank lightly (like 2oz of wine 2x/week) and would not do it again if I had another baby. It's a very short period of time, and my general parenting values (now that I have a kid) are to be very discerning and risk averse about my child's health.

What does this mean (bolded)?

I mean, I think they exaggerate on how bad truly light drinking is, given that there's no strong evidence for it being bad. The question is whether OP is actually engaged in "light drinking." https://systematicreviewsjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2046-4053-3-1

I completely disagree with you, but I know a number of fetal alcohol babies. Alcohol is bad for your fetus. Period.

But how much did these fetal babies moms drink while pregnant? Context matters. Any doctor worth their salt will tell you that there is a huge difference in risks to the baby with a pregnant woman who is a heavy drinker vs. one who has an occasional glass of wine.

Hello, no amount of alcohol is a good thing for any baby.

Can you back up your claim that “any” amount of alcohol is “bad” for your baby? No, you can’t. So quit repeating it over and over.

Her “claim” is that no amount of alcohol is a good thing for any baby. So, how about you point us to some studies that alcohol is a good thing for a baby. I’ll wait.

hey, too much water is bad for your baby. Anything can be bad in excessive amounts. I agree OP has an issue but the whole “no amount has been proven safe” is a) stupid scaremongering and b) not supported by research.