Girls ECNL Season - 2018-19 Season

[Anonymous]

Club collect half and the other half goes to nonsense travel expenses to travel all over and play other diluted teams. We are a all bunch of fools but not sure how to get out. The kids love this game. Wish we could blow up all this nonsense and start over with quality localized leagues with multiple divisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You people are idiots. We are in an area with a ton of ECNL and DA options. The teams aren't average, but there is definitely a dilution of talent. Stop looking for rainbows and unicorns. Focus on your own player and what's best for her/him.

“They” aren’t idiots, it’s the same anti DA/ECNL cabal that have been here for awhile trying to make the case that their inferior players in the crappy leagues are just as good or better than the ECNL and DA kids. This is an agenda item here that keeps coming up thread after thread, by attacking clubs, coaches, etc. Sure, not every last one of the better players are in DA or ECNL, but the average level of player quality is MUCH higher. The standard travel level players don’t last on an ECNL/DA team long and rarely see the field if they do manage to stay on the roster but don’t progress. This is obvious to anyone who has observed the different options and has no agenda to implicitly pump their league of choice by trashing the big boys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are idiots. We are in an area with a ton of ECNL and DA options. The teams aren't average, but there is definitely a dilution of talent. Stop looking for rainbows and unicorns. Focus on your own player and what's best for her/him.

Sorry, diluted talent = average teams

True, but there are plenty of clubs (DA and ECNL) that would be happy to collect $10K per year by selling to gullible parents that their DD and her team are special/elite/top/premier, etc.

Unless those clubs also own airlines and hotels no ECNL or DA club is collecting 10k per year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are idiots. We are in an area with a ton of ECNL and DA options. The teams aren't average, but there is definitely a dilution of talent. Stop looking for rainbows and unicorns. Focus on your own player and what's best for her/him.

“They” aren’t idiots, it’s the same anti DA/ECNL cabal that have been here for awhile trying to make the case that their inferior players in the crappy leagues are just as good or better than the ECNL and DA kids. This is an agenda item here that keeps coming up thread after thread, by attacking clubs, coaches, etc. Sure, not every last one of the better players are in DA or ECNL, but the average level of player quality is MUCH higher. The standard travel level players don’t last on an ECNL/DA team long and rarely see the field if they do manage to stay on the roster but don’t progress. This is obvious to anyone who has observed the different options and has no agenda to implicitly pump their league of choice by trashing the big boys.

There are plenty of average players in all these leagues. Sorry to burst your bubble but it is true and anyone paying attention can see for themselves. It is not rocket science. There are only so many kids with the time money interest and modicum of talent to populate all these high level deluxe teams. The more teams created, the further down the list we go to get players. Is what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are idiots. We are in an area with a ton of ECNL and DA options. The teams aren't average, but there is definitely a dilution of talent. Stop looking for rainbows and unicorns. Focus on your own player and what's best for her/him.

“They” aren’t idiots, it’s the same anti DA/ECNL cabal that have been here for awhile trying to make the case that their inferior players in the crappy leagues are just as good or better than the ECNL and DA kids. This is an agenda item here that keeps coming up thread after thread, by attacking clubs, coaches, etc. Sure, not every last one of the better players are in DA or ECNL, but the average level of player quality is MUCH higher. The standard travel level players don’t last on an ECNL/DA team long and rarely see the field if they do manage to stay on the roster but don’t progress. This is obvious to anyone who has observed the different options and has no agenda to implicitly pump their league of choice by trashing the big boys.

That still doesn’t change the point that folks are deriding other local ECNL clubs for poor performance when in the larger sense none of the other local ECNL clubs are really making any overall club noise beyond a couple specific teams.

[Anonymous]

Thank you for making your agenda point. There is disagreement on it. I agree that watching play between the ECNL/DA players and the other league players is the best way to judge. Of course, while you are watching, you should keep in mind the competition, which can make your favorite team look like world beaters or just plain average, regardless of their actual level vs the entire player pool for their age.

[Anonymous]

The only agenda is to exist in reality and not some soccer fantasy world. It is a great game and my all means let's have our kids play and enjoy but don't lose sight of reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only agenda is to exist in reality and not some soccer fantasy world. It is a great game and my all means let's have our kids play and enjoy but don't lose sight of reality.

Amen, brother, so let’s try not to pretend that the DA and ECNL kids are on par with the hordes of standard travel kids that they beat out in tryouts to make it onto their clubs. The idea that the DA/ECNL kids are all “average” travel soccer players across their own age groups is quite the fantasy.

[Anonymous]

No one said they are all average. These leagues are marketed as being much more special then they are like every other product out there for sale. Make your choice and buy but differentiate marketing from reality.

[Anonymous]

Just my opinion, but people are selecting these leagues for the player and coaching quality. Most of the clubs also field standard travel teams but put their best players and coaches with the DA or ECNL teams. The premium is for training with and by the best the clubs have to offer. The travel is extra and also occurs with the top non-DA/ECNL teams, so it’s really a wash. Agreed that for less competitive and/or talented players, standard “travel” teams and leagues make more sense.

[Anonymous]

IMO, these leagues are for the players that have the money and some talent and are wiling to pay for them. It is a competitive league but you must realize that the pool of players competing for these spots is quite constrained, particularly on the girls side where there are no funded MLS academy type options. Do not think these league are more then they are. My kid does it but I see the families that choose not to and it is because of the money not because their kid cant make the team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just my opinion, but people are selecting these leagues for the player and coaching quality. Most of the clubs also field standard travel teams but put their best players and coaches with the DA or ECNL teams. The premium is for training with and by the best the clubs have to offer. The travel is extra and also occurs with the top non-DA/ECNL teams, so it’s really a wash. Agreed that for less competitive and/or talented players, standard “travel” teams and leagues make more sense.

The standard leagues also make sense for more talented, but less affluent players. The $10k + per year cost of ECNL and DA is a significant entry barrier for many families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just my opinion, but people are selecting these leagues for the player and coaching quality. Most of the clubs also field standard travel teams but put their best players and coaches with the DA or ECNL teams. The premium is for training with and by the best the clubs have to offer. The travel is extra and also occurs with the top non-DA/ECNL teams, so it’s really a wash. Agreed that for less competitive and/or talented players, standard “travel” teams and leagues make more sense.

The standard leagues also make sense for more talented, but less affluent players. The $10k + per year cost of ECNL and DA is a significant entry barrier for many families.

Don't many ECNL/DA teams have DP or PT players that would be able to train and play with the teams intermittently but don't pay the full fee. And it would it not be readily obvious if that player was talented enough?

ID sessions are typically free, and there were multiple, what percentage of girls in our area per age group trying out for your teams reject the offers for ECNL or DA play? (Not teams, but leagues). Low? 7 VA teams (VDA,BRYC,LOUDOUN,MCLEAN, FCV, SPIRIT VA, ARLINGTON) so out of 120 girl pool, how many declined the ECNL/DA FT or PT/DP offer?

[Anonymous]

Note that there is need based funding available for DA and ECNL club teams for talented players who are in need. Also, if they play in "standard" leagues and are superstars, their teams most likely will incur a lot of expense traveling to find equal competition for league games and tournaments. Or are we talking about rec playing wunderkinds?

I'd stand by the statement that the majority of talent is in ECNL/DA, especially on the girls side and especially in this affluent area. Sure, there may be a few in standard leagues all the way through U19, but it is not the norm and the average level of play is much higher in ECNL/DA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why this person gets upset about points and scores being posted. It is very convenient, do you want to sit up and check every age group to see how teams and whole clubs are doing....

+1 thx!