Lifelong Catholic, thinking of leaving church -- how to deal with moving children to new faith?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fuori della Chiesa non c’e la salvezza.

Non si salvera.

Please translate.

"Outside the church there is no salvation. You will not be saved." unspoken: but if you are a good Catholic, receiving sacraments from pedophile priests and/or financially supporting an organization that protects them while not protecting their victims, then when you die, (assuming you are in a state of grace) you will go to heaven and live eternally, with God, Jesus and Mary and all the pedophile priests and people who protected them -- assuming they, too, were in a state of grace when they died.

Translation is fine, but message is wrong. Our Catechism teaches homosexuality is disordered. We must rid the priesthood of it. We need good Catholics to remain.

[Anonymous]

The Catholic church is largely responsible for western civilization. It has many faults and is struggling to reform itself. Pope Francis has made great strides. I'm not a Catholic but I'm considering it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Catholic church is largely responsible for western civilization. It has many faults and is struggling to reform itself. Pope Francis has made great strides. I'm not a Catholic but I'm considering it.

I don't know -- the greeks and Romans were doing pretty well with western civilization before the Christians came along.

But now could be a great time to convert -- you'd have extremely small class size and the undivided attention of your instructors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fuori della Chiesa non c’e la salvezza.

Non si salvera.

Please translate.

"Outside the church there is no salvation. You will not be saved." unspoken: but if you are a good Catholic, receiving sacraments from pedophile priests and/or financially supporting an organization that protects them while not protecting their victims, then when you die, (assuming you are in a state of grace) you will go to heaven and live eternally, with God, Jesus and Mary and all the pedophile priests and people who protected them -- assuming they, too, were in a state of grace when they died.

Translation is fine, but message is wrong. Our Catechism teaches homosexuality is disordered. We must rid the priesthood of it. We need good Catholics to remain.

The Catechism also teaches that all you need to do to get into heaven is confess your sins and say a good act of contrition. That puts you in a state of grace. The last rites would do the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fuori della Chiesa non c’e la salvezza.

Non si salvera.

Please translate.

"Outside the church there is no salvation. You will not be saved." unspoken: but if you are a good Catholic, receiving sacraments from pedophile priests and/or financially supporting an organization that protects them while not protecting their victims, then when you die, (assuming you are in a state of grace) you will go to heaven and live eternally, with God, Jesus and Mary and all the pedophile priests and people who protected them -- assuming they, too, were in a state of grace when they died.

Translation is fine, but message is wrong. Our Catechism teaches homosexuality is disordered. We must rid the priesthood of it. We need good Catholics to remain.

What does your catechism say about pedophilia? Seems to me, that that is the problem, not being homosexual. So far the church has been protecting pedophiles and losing parishioners in droves. And it's obvious that many homosexuals make it into the priesthood. As long as they don't act on it it doesn't matter right? Priests are not supposed to have any sex with anyone.

[Anonymous]

When gay priests have sex with each other, it’s a sin. Same if a priest and a nun have sex.

It’s only when a priest has sex with a child, make or female, that it’s a sin and crime – and the church has been systematically hiding this crime to protect priests at the expense of vulnerable children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fuori della Chiesa non c’e la salvezza.

Non si salvera.

Please translate.

"Outside the church there is no salvation. You will not be saved." unspoken: but if you are a good Catholic, receiving sacraments from pedophile priests and/or financially supporting an organization that protects them while not protecting their victims, then when you die, (assuming you are in a state of grace) you will go to heaven and live eternally, with God, Jesus and Mary and all the pedophile priests and people who protected them -- assuming they, too, were in a state of grace when they died.

Translation is fine, but message is wrong. Our Catechism teaches homosexuality is disordered. We must rid the priesthood of it. We need good Catholics to remain.

The Catechism also teaches that all you need to do to get into heaven is confess your sins and say a good act of contrition. That puts you in a state of grace. The last rites would do the same.

Honest question for Catholics - do you seriously think that God would punish you if you stopped going to church, in the name of "boycotting" the non-action by Church hierarchy over molesting and raping children?

Do you really, truly believe in a God that would consider having faith on your own, outside the current church system, as dangerous to your salvation? Given current conditions? I honestly cannot fathom a God like that. If so, then he is not a good and just God.

[Anonymous]

Families have been systematically hiding this crime for years too! Our society ignored perversion for generations. No one wanted to invite shame. Reporting touchy feely “Uncle Larry” to the police would cause embarrassment to so many so you just shun him at family parties and don’t let your kids near him. Eventually he dies. And you’re left to just wonder if he did anything to the neighborhood kids or the little leaguers he coached or the paperboy down the street when no one was looking.

The Catholic Church acted like one big embarrassed family. It snowballed to the point that others like “Uncle Larry” we’re drawn in because the heard they could get away with it since the higher ups were increasing baffled as to how to cope with it while saving face. Too many people inside and outside lacked courage to insist on making things right. All those doctors who treated deviant priests and cleared them for more ministry. The world today is much more open and we are lucky for that. We are lucky we’ve grown as a society that we don’t see it as shame and can confront it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Families have been systematically hiding this crime for years too! Our society ignored perversion for generations. No one wanted to invite shame. Reporting touchy feely “Uncle Larry” to the police would cause embarrassment to so many so you just shun him at family parties and don’t let your kids near him. Eventually he dies. And you’re left to just wonder if he did anything to the neighborhood kids or the little leaguers he coached or the paperboy down the street when no one was looking.

The Catholic Church acted like one big embarrassed family. It snowballed to the point that others like “Uncle Larry” we’re drawn in because the heard they could get away with it since the higher ups were increasing baffled as to how to cope with it while saving face. Too many people inside and outside lacked courage to insist on making things right. All those doctors who treated deviant priests and cleared them for more ministry. The world today is much more open and we are lucky for that. We are lucky we’ve grown as a society that we don’t see it as shame and can confront it.

Well said! We can also make excuses and stay in the corrupt system because so much about it feels good -- or used to feel good. Such pleasant memories - so tempting to want to pass that on to our children. But the crap gets passed on too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lutheranism is much closer to Catholic than American Episcopalianism. It does not believe in transubstantiation but the liturgy is what you are used to.

The Episcopalian liturgy is virtually word-for-word the Catholic liturgy before the most recent changes.

Cradle Catholic, now Episcopal--I found the Episcopal liturgy *incredibly* similar to what I grew up with. And there will be lots of former Catholics in the pews (and at the pulpit, if my church is at all typical).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fuori della Chiesa non c’e la salvezza.

Non si salvera.

Please translate.

"Outside the church there is no salvation. You will not be saved." unspoken: but if you are a good Catholic, receiving sacraments from pedophile priests and/or financially supporting an organization that protects them while not protecting their victims, then when you die, (assuming you are in a state of grace) you will go to heaven and live eternally, with God, Jesus and Mary and all the pedophile priests and people who protected them -- assuming they, too, were in a state of grace when they died.

Translation is fine, but message is wrong. Our Catechism teaches homosexuality is disordered. We must rid the priesthood of it. We need good Catholics to remain.

The more Catholics blame priests molesting kids on homosexuality, the more they are complicit in allowing the dysfunction to remain. You are part of the problem, because you are ignoring the problem and replacing with a convenient "ill."

Priests molesting children (boys AND girls) is about grooming and power--not sex. There is no consent in priests molesting children, as there is with same sex or opposite sex adults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lutheranism is much closer to Catholic than American Episcopalianism. It does not believe in transubstantiation but the liturgy is what you are used to.

The Episcopalian liturgy is virtually word-for-word the Catholic liturgy before the most recent changes.

Cradle Catholic, now Episcopal--I found the Episcopal liturgy *incredibly* similar to what I grew up with. And there will be lots of former Catholics in the pews (and at the pulpit, if my church is at all typical).

Cradle Catholic, now Lutheran, same experience here.

As the granddaughter of Irish immigrants, I could not bring myself to go to an Anglican (including Episcopal) church.

[Anonymous]

Good luck finding a new spiritual home, OP.

I'd stick with one of the traditional ones - Episcopal, Lutheran... one of the churches that has oorganized longstanding charities associated with them.

Don't go near the prosperity gospel people. They make it easy to feel good about yourself, but they don't do much for the wider community.

[Anonymous]

I would also suggest going more traditional if you are accustomed to the Catholic church and try out a few different congregations:

Episcopal: https://www.episcopalchurch.org/find-a-church
Presbyterian: https://www.pcusa.org/search/congregations/
Lutheran: https://www.elca.org/FindACongregation

Good luck OP.

[Anonymous]

Just tell them you are going to a new church now.