Fairfax schools to teach kids that you can change your sex not just gender

[Anonymous]

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Those people are very rare deviations from the norm. They are rare enough that they are a clear exception and should not be taught as the standard.

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How rare is "rare?" About 1 in 1500 to 2000 individuals are born with genitals that are not easily classified as male or female. https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/intersex.pdf

For a high school of 2000, that's 1-2 students every 4-6 years.

For a city with a population of 250,00, that's over 160 people.

Yes.

Exceptionally rare and certainly rare enough that their is no logical or scientific justification for teaching the rare exception as the norm.

Exceptionally rare? 1 in 1500? That isn't exceptionally rare, medically speaking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

Why are you “afraid” for your young DD. She can’t engage in any medical treatment without your consent. If you think her gender expression is just a phase she will grow out of...

BTW, non-conforming gender expression is not the same as transgender identity. I’ve raised two tomboys. Today, one is straight and gender confirming. The other is lesbian and gender conforming.

I will not kind my own business if my daughter at age 18 - which is still really young! - is caught up in this hysteria and begins to medically “transition” with permanent effect including sterility. I will fight it tooth and nail. Sorry, not sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

Always, or sometimes? Most of the time? If you are a stickler for scientific accuracy, and it is "usually" so, then you should say "usually."



Is she female? She has a female pelvic bone structure, female voice and hands. grew breasts at puberty, and other than a lack of pubic hair and period, looked just like any other girl, but she has XY chromosomes.

https://geneticdisorders.wordpress.com/2015/10/07/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/

Wouldn’t this person fall under intersex? This is really irrelevant to the discussion of non-intersex individuals whose brains supposedly do not match their bodies.

[Anonymous]

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Wouldn’t this person fall under intersex? This is really irrelevant to the discussion of non-intersex individuals whose brains supposedly do not match their bodies.

But it's completely relevant to the discussion of the match (or lack thereof) between genitalia and chromosomes.

[Anonymous]

It's ok for kids to try on the other gender for self discovery. Many adults are born with the wrong genitals and never know when they feel unhappy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

Always, or sometimes? Most of the time? If you are a stickler for scientific accuracy, and it is "usually" so, then you should say "usually."



Is she female? She has a female pelvic bone structure, female voice and hands. grew breasts at puberty, and other than a lack of pubic hair and period, looked just like any other girl, but she has XY chromosomes.

https://geneticdisorders.wordpress.com/2015/10/07/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/

Wouldn’t this person fall under intersex? This is really irrelevant to the discussion of non-intersex individuals whose brains supposedly do not match their bodies.

But this is only a discussion about people who are transgender because the paranoid OP chose to read the original FCPS announcement and imagine it to mean somethingbitvdidn’t. Intersex people are one one of the reasons for this language change, as is the ambiguity as to whether sex is chromosomal (immutable but also can be assigned wrong) or based on genetalia (can be surgically changed).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

Always, or sometimes? Most of the time? If you are a stickler for scientific accuracy, and it is "usually" so, then you should say "usually."



Is she female? She has a female pelvic bone structure, female voice and hands. grew breasts at puberty, and other than a lack of pubic hair and period, looked just like any other girl, but she has XY chromosomes.

https://geneticdisorders.wordpress.com/2015/10/07/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/

Wouldn’t this person fall under intersex? This is really irrelevant to the discussion of non-intersex individuals whose brains supposedly do not match their bodies.

Yes. This person falls under intersex. Which is why it is relevant to a discussion in which someone was claiming that scientifically, "sex is defined by gametes[u]," period. Full stop.

It isn't. Not always. Gametes, which each carry one chromosome, do not always determine phenotype.

I have added the arrows above so that you can follow the conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Normalizing it promotes this mental illness

Divisive and inappropriate.

Not divisive, just accurate. We need to stop accepting this and start calling it what it is: mental illness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

Always, or sometimes? Most of the time? If you are a stickler for scientific accuracy, and it is "usually" so, then you should say "usually."



Is she female? She has a female pelvic bone structure, female voice and hands. grew breasts at puberty, and other than a lack of pubic hair and period, looked just like any other girl, but she has XY chromosomes.

https://geneticdisorders.wordpress.com/2015/10/07/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/

Wouldn’t this person fall under intersex? This is really irrelevant to the discussion of non-intersex individuals whose brains supposedly do not match their bodies.

Yes. This person falls under intersex. Which is why it is relevant to a discussion in which someone was claiming that scientifically, "sex is defined by gametes[u]," period. Full stop.

It isn't. Not always. Gametes, which each carry one chromosome, do not always determine phenotype.

I have added the arrows above so that you can follow the conversation.

I think I see what you are trying to say here, but that is not quite what I’m talking about. I’m well aware that chromosomes do not necessarily determine phenotype. However, an organism that produces ova is female. One that produces sperm is male. I was not aware that this was under debate.

Of course someone with androgen insensitivity since birth is likely to acquire more feminine physical and mental traits, and I see how this can be understood scientifically.
Where is the science that explains how someone with XY chromosomes and typical male phenotype could have a brain that is female?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Normalizing it promotes this mental illness

Divisive and inappropriate.

Not divisive, just accurate. We need to stop accepting this and start calling it what it is: mental illness.

Total BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

Always, or sometimes? Most of the time? If you are a stickler for scientific accuracy, and it is "usually" so, then you should say "usually."



Is she female? She has a female pelvic bone structure, female voice and hands. grew breasts at puberty, and other than a lack of pubic hair and period, looked just like any other girl, but she has XY chromosomes.

https://geneticdisorders.wordpress.com/2015/10/07/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/

Wouldn’t this person fall under intersex? This is really irrelevant to the discussion of non-intersex individuals whose brains supposedly do not match their bodies.

Yes. This person falls under intersex. Which is why it is relevant to a discussion in which someone was claiming that scientifically, "sex is defined by gametes[u]," period. Full stop.

It isn't. Not always. Gametes, which each carry one chromosome, do not always determine phenotype.

I have added the arrows above so that you can follow the conversation.

I think I see what you are trying to say here, but that is not quite what I’m talking about. I’m well aware that chromosomes do not necessarily determine phenotype. However, an organism that produces ova is female. One that produces sperm is male. I was not aware that this was under debate.

Of course someone with androgen insensitivity since birth is likely to acquire more feminine physical and mental traits, and I see how this can be understood scientifically.
Where is the science that explains how someone with XY chromosomes and typical male phenotype could have a brain that is female?

The Role of Androgen Receptors in the Masculinization of Brain and Behavior: What we’ve learned from the Testicular Feminization [aka Androgen Insensitivity] Mutation

There are many other articles, but the title on this one is the most straightforward.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2706155/

[Anonymous]

PS: in case it isn't clear: we know sex hormones influence brain development. One way an XY-chromosomed brain can become "feminized" is through exposure to a change in hormone effects, such as in nonresponsive receptor response.

That doesn't mean it's the only way. It doesn't even mean its necessarily the most common way. It's just one mechanism.

[Anonymous]

Harvard grad student article on recent areas of research on how brains of transgendered people tend to differ from those of people who are non-transgender:

Several studies have shown that identical twins are more often both transgender than fraternal twins, indicating that there is indeed a genetic influence for this identity. So, what genes might be responsible?
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Transgender women tend to have brain structures that resemble cisgender women, rather than cisgender men. Two sexually dimorphic (differing between men and women) areas of the brain are often compared between men and women. The bed nucleus of the stria terminalus (BSTc) and sexually dimorphic nucleus of transgender women are more similar to those of cisgender woman than to those of cisgender men, suggesting that the general brain structure of these women is in keeping with their gender identity.
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Interestingly, both teams discovered that male-to-female transgender women had a BSTc more closely resembling that of cisgender women than men in both size and cell density, and that female-to-male transgender men had BSTcs resembling cisgender men.... These findings have since been confirmed and corroborated in other studies and other regions of the brain, including a region of the brain called the sexually dimorphic nucleus (Figure 2) that is believed to affect sexual behavior in animals.
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A team of researchers found that the receptor for estrogen (that is, the cell phone receiving the signal) seems to be a little worse at receiving signal in female-to-male transgender men – think a 2001 flip phone trying to process photos from Instagram. Thus, the signal doesn’t come through as clearly, and the externally “female” fetus ends up more masculinized.
etc
http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/

Scientific American article on the differences in brain type, similar to above:

Spanish investigators—led by psychobiologist Antonio Guillamon of the National Distance Education University in Madrid and neuropsychologist Carme Junqu Plaja of the University of Barcelona—used MRI to examine the brains of 24 female-to-males and 18 male-to-females—both before and after treatment with cross-sex hormones. Their results, published in 2013, showed that even before treatment the brain structures of the trans people were more similar in some respects to the brains of their experienced gender than those of their natal gender. For example, the female-to-male subjects had relatively thin subcortical areas (these areas tend to be thinner in men than in women). Male-to-female subjects tended to have thinner cortical regions in the right hemisphere, which is characteristic of a female brain. (Such differences became more pronounced after treatment.)

“Trans people have brains that are different from males and females, a unique kind of brain,” Guillamon says. “It is simplistic to say that a female-to-male transgender person is a female trapped in a male body. It's not because they have a male brain but a transsexual brain.” Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn.
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Overall the weight of these studies and others points strongly toward a biological basis for gender dysphoria.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

None of this is conclusive. There is much variability amongst individuals. That being said, this is the scientific and medical background against which physicians and the parents they counsel are making decisions, and those decisions are made over long, drawn-out protocols.

If you aren't aware of this, you really aren't in a position to make claims about how unsubstantiated and off-the-wall it is to consider this as a medical diagnosis, not a mental illness.