Fairfax schools to teach kids that you can change your sex not just gender

[Anonymous]

Normalizing it promotes this mental illness

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Normalizing it promotes this mental illness

Divisive and inappropriate.

[Anonymous]

It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

You'll probably be really happy to know that other than affirmation, those aren't the go-to treatments for kids and teenagers. Hormones and surgery are reserved for adult who have transitioned and shown over time that their gender identity is stable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Those people are very rare deviations from the norm. They are rare enough that they are a clear exception and should not be taught as the standard.

+1

How rare is "rare?" About 1 in 1500 to 2000 individuals are born with genitals that are not easily classified as male or female. https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/intersex.pdf

For a high school of 2000, that's 1-2 students every 4-6 years.

For a city with a population of 250,00, that's over 160 people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

You'll probably be really happy to know that other than affirmation, those aren't the go-to treatments for kids and teenagers. Hormones and surgery are reserved for adult who have transitioned and shown over time that their gender identity is stable.

No. Puberty blockers start being taken at 11, 12, and 13 with hormones being started at 14,15, and 16. Teenagers and their families are having to make difficult decisions that will affect the kids for the rest of their lives as these kids are left sterile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

Always, or sometimes? Most of the time? If you are a stickler for scientific accuracy, and it is "usually" so, then you should say "usually."



Is she female? She has a female pelvic bone structure, female voice and hands. grew breasts at puberty, and other than a lack of pubic hair and period, looked just like any other girl, but she has XY chromosomes.

https://geneticdisorders.wordpress.com/2015/10/07/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

You'll probably be really happy to know that other than affirmation, those aren't the go-to treatments for kids and teenagers. Hormones and surgery are reserved for adult who have transitioned and shown over time that their gender identity is stable.

Hormones (puberty blockers) are definitely used on young children who have no comprehension of the long term consequences and who are too young to give informed consent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Those people are very rare deviations from the norm. They are rare enough that they are a clear exception and should not be taught as the standard.

+1

How rare is "rare?" About 1 in 1500 to 2000 individuals are born with genitals that are not easily classified as male or female. https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/intersex.pdf

For a high school of 2000, that's 1-2 students every 4-6 years.

For a city with a population of 250,00, that's over 160 people.

Yes.

Exceptionally rare and certainly rare enough that their is no logical or scientific justification for teaching the rare exception as the norm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

Always, or sometimes? Most of the time? If you are a stickler for scientific accuracy, and it is "usually" so, then you should say "usually."



Is she female? She has a female pelvic bone structure, female voice and hands. grew breasts at puberty, and other than a lack of pubic hair and period, looked just like any other girl, but she has XY chromosomes.

https://geneticdisorders.wordpress.com/2015/10/07/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/

Did you read the link you posted?

The url reads "genetic disorders"

This is a genetic disorder, a very rare deviation from the norm.

Should it be taught as a disorder, along with compassion? Absolutely.

Should it be taught as the norm? Absolutely not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

Why are you “afraid” for your young DD. She can’t engage in any medical treatment without your consent. If you think her gender expression is just a phase she will grow out of...

BTW, non-conforming gender expression is not the same as transgender identity. I’ve raised two tomboys. Today, one is straight and gender confirming. The other is lesbian and gender conforming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://amp.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/fairfax-county-school-board-approves-controversial-changes-to-sex-education-policy

So much for sex and gender being different and gender being a social construct that can change . Why not teach creationism since they threw science out the window ?

It doesn't say that.

If you ignore the “sex assigned at birth” part

They are talking about surgery. This is not rocket science here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

If you didn't feel in your heart that you were a male, you aren't trans. You may be lesbian or bisexual or gender neutral, but you aren't trans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

So you can’t recognize that others may have a different experience than you and you can’t respect that they might make different decisions for themselves. You are certainly no liberal if you think you have any business judging others. MYOB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is because of this issue that I cannot call myself a liberal any more.

I am female. When I was in high school, I was not girly, I did not fit in, I crushed on other girls, and I possessed (and still do) many attributes and strengths more commonly associated with males, and I had depression and anxiety. I believe that if this had been a thing at the time, I would very likely have concluded that I was trans.

It is TERRIFYING to me that “affirmation,” surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment now for young people in the throes of figuring out who they are. I am not happy at all that that transgenderism is being normalized. I am so glad this wasn’t really a thing yet when I was growing up. I am afraid for my young daughter who exhibits many of the non gender conforming traits that I did.

I agree with a PP that the movement is, at its heart, anti-woman.
I don’t care what FCPS says about it. I will not keep my kids out of Sex Ed for this but I will make sure they understand that sex is defined by gametes and not feelings or personality characteristics. I will also ensure that my children understand the mechanism behind all rational discussion and scientific research on this being shut down.

Always, or sometimes? Most of the time? If you are a stickler for scientific accuracy, and it is "usually" so, then you should say "usually."



Is she female? She has a female pelvic bone structure, female voice and hands. grew breasts at puberty, and other than a lack of pubic hair and period, looked just like any other girl, but she has XY chromosomes.

https://geneticdisorders.wordpress.com/2015/10/07/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/

Did you read the link you posted?

The url reads "genetic disorders"

This is a genetic disorder, a very rare deviation from the norm.

Should it be taught as a disorder, along with compassion? Absolutely.

Should it be taught as the norm? Absolutely not.

If you read what I posted, I wasn't saying it should be taught as the norm. I was saying that if a PP wanted to insist on scientific accuracy, then they should be accurate. That means "usually" or "in most cases," not an absolute.

It matters because the appeal of the absolute is that it is black an white. It may be shaded heavily one way, but the reality of it is not absolute, and because there are exceptions, claiming an absolute is in error.