How many left-lane slowpokes have been fined under new Va. law?

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Anonymous wrote:If people aren't abiding by the laws with a certain degree, then we're in for a world of hurt once more autonomous cars are on the road. Cars going too fast or two slow are dangerous, as are aggressive drivers.

It will be interesting to see how aggressive drivers fare once they are confined to an automous vehicle. I imagine many will be convulsing trying to get their car to giddy-up.

What makes you think an aggressive driver would choose an autonomous vehicle?

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I don't get about the rule is that we aren't supposed to go over the speed limit. So, I don't understand how someone driving 55 can get a ticket for being in the left lane and going too slowly. Because the alternative is speeding which is also against the law.

I don’t quite understand this other. “Speed of traffic” and “speed limit” are often in confliction. Which are we supposed to be observing again?

Keep right, Pass left. And worry about yourself.

That's what people said when I tired to ask this before. I am still trying to wrap my head around how this works. Either you're speeding or you're going too slow. It's a catch-22.

People think that "speed limit" means "you have to drive at least this fast, but you usually shouldn't drive more than 10 mph faster"

That's what I'm confused about. I thought a speed limit was the max speed not minimum. The law makes my brain hurt.

It’s not your job to enforce the max speed of other drivers.

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It’s not your job to enforce the max speed of other drivers.

DP. I didn't perceive the PP saying that it was.

It is a conundrum. You're not allowed to go faster than the speed limit. You're also not allowed to go slower than drivers around you. What are you supposed to do if the drivers around you are going faster than the speed limit?

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Anonymous wrote:If people aren't abiding by the laws with a certain degree, then we're in for a world of hurt once more autonomous cars are on the road. Cars going too fast or two slow are dangerous, as are aggressive drivers.

It will be interesting to see how aggressive drivers fare once they are confined to an automous vehicle. I imagine many will be convulsing trying to get their car to giddy-up.

What makes you think an aggressive driver would choose an autonomous vehicle?

It may not be a choice we have.

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Anonymous wrote:If people aren't abiding by the laws with a certain degree, then we're in for a world of hurt once more autonomous cars are on the road. Cars going too fast or two slow are dangerous, as are aggressive drivers.

It will be interesting to see how aggressive drivers fare once they are confined to an automous vehicle. I imagine many will be convulsing trying to get their car to giddy-up.

What makes you think an aggressive driver would choose an autonomous vehicle?

It may not be a choice we have.

I would also like to add that we should be driving according to a standard like autonous vehicles.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they will be enforcing laws against speeding just as much as this new law.

People are more likely to die in a high speed crash than in a lower speed one.

OK, thanks, vigilante. Stay right and MYOB.

So, are you saying the police should not ticket people driving more than 10 mph over the speed limit? Do you think the left lane should be where people can just drive as fast as they like?

Plenty of people are saying both groups are dangerous and both groups should be ticketed. Slow drivers are taking personal offense to the idea that they are behaving as dangerously as the fast drivers because they believe that 1) slower driving is safer driving, 2) they are TRYING to drive safely, hence the slow speeds and 3) at worst they are simply passively encouraging those people driving dangerously (speeders) to slow down and be more safe.

So they have this whole vision of themselves as not JUST a not dangerous driver who shouldn't be at fault but in fact the SAFEST of drivers who are simply trying to make everyone more safe.

Sorry slow drivers, this is a ridiculous vision of yourself. Driving slow in the left lane causes accidents, it just does. It is a circular behavior in that the slow drivers and the fast drivers need to both be doing something wrong to create the situation but that is the reality. If you know this statistic and you choose to drive slowly in the left lane than you are driving dangerously. There is no reason why you can't choose another lane. If my kid steals another kid's toy and the other kid kicks them both children have done something wrong and both children are punished.

I think everyone agrees that cars moving 5-10 mph under the speed limit can be dangerous and that is against the law and they should be ticketed. People who are driving 15+ mph over the speed limit are also dangerous and should be ticketed.

People driving 65 mph in a 55 zone in the left lane should not be ticketed so some one can drive 70+ in a 55 zone. That person is already over the speed limit and should get a ticket for that, as well as those trying to drive even faster. That's at least 15 mph over the speed limit and is getting into reckless driving territory. No one should sit in the left lane, that's for sure, but no one should be driving more than 15 mph over the speed limit on the beltway.

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It’s not your job to enforce the max speed of other drivers.

DP. I didn't perceive the PP saying that it was.

It is a conundrum. You're not allowed to go faster than the speed limit. You're also not allowed to go slower than drivers around you. What are you supposed to do if the drivers around you are going faster than the speed limit?

You can choose to go faster than the speed limit. Or if you don’t, STAY OUT OF THE WAY of those that do by not being in the left lane.

It’s NOT HARD.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they will be enforcing laws against speeding just as much as this new law.

People are more likely to die in a high speed crash than in a lower speed one.

OK, thanks, vigilante. Stay right and MYOB.

So, are you saying the police should not ticket people driving more than 10 mph over the speed limit? Do you think the left lane should be where people can just drive as fast as they like?

Plenty of people are saying both groups are dangerous and both groups should be ticketed. Slow drivers are taking personal offense to the idea that they are behaving as dangerously as the fast drivers because they believe that 1) slower driving is safer driving, 2) they are TRYING to drive safely, hence the slow speeds and 3) at worst they are simply passively encouraging those people driving dangerously (speeders) to slow down and be more safe.

So they have this whole vision of themselves as not JUST a not dangerous driver who shouldn't be at fault but in fact the SAFEST of drivers who are simply trying to make everyone more safe.

Sorry slow drivers, this is a ridiculous vision of yourself. Driving slow in the left lane causes accidents, it just does. It is a circular behavior in that the slow drivers and the fast drivers need to both be doing something wrong to create the situation but that is the reality. If you know this statistic and you choose to drive slowly in the left lane than you are driving dangerously. There is no reason why you can't choose another lane. If my kid steals another kid's toy and the other kid kicks them both children have done something wrong and both children are punished.

I think everyone agrees that cars moving 5-10 mph under the speed limit can be dangerous and that is against the law and they should be ticketed. People who are driving 15+ mph over the speed limit are also dangerous and should be ticketed.

People driving 65 mph in a 55 zone in the left lane should not be ticketed so some one can drive 70+ in a 55 zone. That person is already over the speed limit and should get a ticket for that, as well as those trying to drive even faster. That's at least 15 mph over the speed limit and is getting into reckless driving territory. No one should sit in the left lane, that's for sure, but no one should be driving more than 15 mph over the speed limit on the beltway.

The scope of this discussion is not limited to the beltway. I drive 400 miles every other weekend and this behavior is rampant even on limited access highways with little traffic in the middle of nowhere.

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Anonymous wrote:

It’s not your job to enforce the max speed of other drivers.

DP. I didn't perceive the PP saying that it was.

It is a conundrum. You're not allowed to go faster than the speed limit. You're also not allowed to go slower than drivers around you. What are you supposed to do if the drivers around you are going faster than the speed limit?

You can choose to go faster than the speed limit. Or if you don’t, STAY OUT OF THE WAY of those that do by not being in the left lane.

It’s NOT HARD.

That's against the law. You can get ticketed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope they will be enforcing laws against speeding just as much as this new law.

People are more likely to die in a high speed crash than in a lower speed one.

OK, thanks, vigilante. Stay right and MYOB.

So, are you saying the police should not ticket people driving more than 10 mph over the speed limit? Do you think the left lane should be where people can just drive as fast as they like?

Plenty of people are saying both groups are dangerous and both groups should be ticketed. Slow drivers are taking personal offense to the idea that they are behaving as dangerously as the fast drivers because they believe that 1) slower driving is safer driving, 2) they are TRYING to drive safely, hence the slow speeds and 3) at worst they are simply passively encouraging those people driving dangerously (speeders) to slow down and be more safe.

So they have this whole vision of themselves as not JUST a not dangerous driver who shouldn't be at fault but in fact the SAFEST of drivers who are simply trying to make everyone more safe.

Sorry slow drivers, this is a ridiculous vision of yourself. Driving slow in the left lane causes accidents, it just does. It is a circular behavior in that the slow drivers and the fast drivers need to both be doing something wrong to create the situation but that is the reality. If you know this statistic and you choose to drive slowly in the left lane than you are driving dangerously. There is no reason why you can't choose another lane. If my kid steals another kid's toy and the other kid kicks them both children have done something wrong and both children are punished.

I think everyone agrees that cars moving 5-10 mph under the speed limit can be dangerous and that is against the law and they should be ticketed. People who are driving 15+ mph over the speed limit are also dangerous and should be ticketed.

People driving 65 mph in a 55 zone in the left lane should not be ticketed so some one can drive 70+ in a 55 zone. That person is already over the speed limit and should get a ticket for that, as well as those trying to drive even faster. That's at least 15 mph over the speed limit and is getting into reckless driving territory. No one should sit in the left lane, that's for sure, but no one should be driving more than 15 mph over the speed limit on the beltway.

But there people who are going to drive “more than 15 mph over the speed limit.” There just are. Why do you want them behind you and then going around you unsafely? Why not just stay more to the right and stay away from them? Why do you need to be in the left lane at all, unless exiting, when you think that someone driving 70 in a 55 should be ticketed?

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But there people who are going to drive “more than 15 mph over the speed limit.” There just are. Why do you want them behind you and then going around you unsafely? Why not just stay more to the right and stay away from them? Why do you need to be in the left lane at all, unless exiting, when you think that someone driving 70 in a 55 should be ticketed?

Well, you might be driving the speed limit, trying to pass somebody who is driving more slowly than the speed limit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

It’s not your job to enforce the max speed of other drivers.

DP. I didn't perceive the PP saying that it was.

It is a conundrum. You're not allowed to go faster than the speed limit. You're also not allowed to go slower than drivers around you. What are you supposed to do if the drivers around you are going faster than the speed limit?

You can choose to go faster than the speed limit. Or if you don’t, STAY OUT OF THE WAY of those that do by not being in the left lane.

It’s NOT HARD.

That's against the law. You can get ticketed.

Of course. But it’s a risk many drivers take. I feel confident that if you are someone who is never going to go faster than the speed limit, that you should never let your wheels touch the left lane of any highway for any reason.

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But there people who are going to drive “more than 15 mph over the speed limit.” There just are. Why do you want them behind you and then going around you unsafely? Why not just stay more to the right and stay away from them? Why do you need to be in the left lane at all, unless exiting, when you think that someone driving 70 in a 55 should be ticketed?

Well, you might be driving the speed limit, trying to pass somebody who is driving more slowly than the speed limit.

In that case, pass quickly and then get back over. You don’t get to spend the next ten miles in the left lane just because you passed someone once.

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But there people who are going to drive “more than 15 mph over the speed limit.” There just are. Why do you want them behind you and then going around you unsafely? Why not just stay more to the right and stay away from them? Why do you need to be in the left lane at all, unless exiting, when you think that someone driving 70 in a 55 should be ticketed?

Well, you might be driving the speed limit, trying to pass somebody who is driving more slowly than the speed limit.

In that case, pass quickly and then get back over. You don’t get to spend the next ten miles in the left lane just because you passed someone once.

Basically this law is for people who want to drive faster than the speed limit in the left lane.