Do you consider redshirting cheating?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Yesterday, my kindergartener came home with a math worksheet that had the following problems on it: 18-7= ?; 23-12= ?, 16-5 = ?

My kindergarten experience consisted of drinking punch, rest, practicing counting and playing house.

My specialty is not early childhood development, but I wouldn't expect the typical 5-6-year-old to have difficulty with the idea that if you have 16 acorns, and someone takes away 5 acorns, how many acorns will you have left?

It is obvious that your specialty is not ECD, as 23-12 is not a developmentally appropriate math problem for kindergarten. But here we are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yesterday, my kindergartener came home with a math worksheet that had the following problems on it: 18-7= ?; 23-12= ?, 16-5 = ?

My kindergarten experience consisted of drinking punch, rest, practicing counting and playing house.

My specialty is not early childhood development, but I wouldn't expect the typical 5-6-year-old to have difficulty with the idea that if you have 16 acorns, and someone takes away 5 acorns, how many acorns will you have left?

+1, you break it down. At that age we used the favorite toys that we had many of like skylanders and hot wheels. Easy way to show them and they can figure it out. Mine was not drinking punch, rest and playing. Many kids go into school reading, knowing their numbers and understanding the basic concept of addition and subtraction. It sucks for those kids to have a dumbed down curriculum waiting for kids who were not taught at home or preschool. We weren't even allowed punch at that age. My elementary school kids have never had punch. So, they could read and do basic numbers but fail K. as they will not be drinking punch.

Can you please rephrase? I cannot understand what idea you are trying to convey.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yesterday, my kindergartener came home with a math worksheet that had the following problems on it: 18-7= ?; 23-12= ?, 16-5 = ?

My kindergarten experience consisted of drinking punch, rest, practicing counting and playing house.

My specialty is not early childhood development, but I wouldn't expect the typical 5-6-year-old to have difficulty with the idea that if you have 16 acorns, and someone takes away 5 acorns, how many acorns will you have left?

+1, you break it down. At that age we used the favorite toys that we had many of like skylanders and hot wheels. Easy way to show them and they can figure it out. Mine was not drinking punch, rest and playing. Many kids go into school reading, knowing their numbers and understanding the basic concept of addition and subtraction. It sucks for those kids to have a dumbed down curriculum waiting for kids who were not taught at home or preschool. We weren't even allowed punch at that age. My elementary school kids have never had punch. So, they could read and do basic numbers but fail K. as they will not be drinking punch.

Can you please rephrase? I cannot understand what idea you are trying to convey.

Her idea is that children do not learn through play -- in contradiction to what every child expert and parent knows.

And that punch is morally wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yesterday, my kindergartener came home with a math worksheet that had the following problems on it: 18-7= ?; 23-12= ?, 16-5 = ?

My kindergarten experience consisted of drinking punch, rest, practicing counting and playing house.

My specialty is not early childhood development, but I wouldn't expect the typical 5-6-year-old to have difficulty with the idea that if you have 16 acorns, and someone takes away 5 acorns, how many acorns will you have left?

It is obvious that your specialty is not ECD, as 23-12 is not a developmentally appropriate math problem for kindergarten. But here we are.

Why isn't it? My kid was definitely doing 23-12 (and the like) in kindergarten without any difficulty. She's now in sixth grade and is not any kind of notable math genius. So evidently at least some kindergartners are capable of doing such math problems.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yesterday, my kindergartener came home with a math worksheet that had the following problems on it: 18-7= ?; 23-12= ?, 16-5 = ?

My kindergarten experience consisted of drinking punch, rest, practicing counting and playing house.

My specialty is not early childhood development, but I wouldn't expect the typical 5-6-year-old to have difficulty with the idea that if you have 16 acorns, and someone takes away 5 acorns, how many acorns will you have left?

+1, you break it down. At that age we used the favorite toys that we had many of like skylanders and hot wheels. Easy way to show them and they can figure it out. Mine was not drinking punch, rest and playing. Many kids go into school reading, knowing their numbers and understanding the basic concept of addition and subtraction. It sucks for those kids to have a dumbed down curriculum waiting for kids who were not taught at home or preschool. We weren't even allowed punch at that age. My elementary school kids have never had punch. So, they could read and do basic numbers but fail K. as they will not be drinking punch.

Can you please rephrase? I cannot understand what idea you are trying to convey.

Her idea is that children do not learn through play -- in contradiction to what every child expert and parent knows.

And that punch is morally wrong.

I don't understand. Nobody is saying that children shouldn't learn through play. But your position seems to be that children should only learn through play. Or do I misunderstand?

[Anonymous]

I think it’s a great message to send to your kids! If something is hard blame it, then avoid it, then manipulate it.

I just teach my kids that they can do hard things. I’m sure both methods work out more or less fine at the end of the day.

[Anonymous]

It is obviously cheating. My third grader could be the smartest 2nd graders out there, but that's ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

I think it's cheating too and it annoys me that kids are held back. I was an August baby and did very well in school, despite being a tad slower in Kindergarten. I have an August baby too and will not hold her back.

[Anonymous]

Most people I know that redshirt, do so for boys to give them an advantage in athletics.

[Anonymous]

If redshirting is cheating, what about tutors? Afterall, not all families can afford them for their kid. Also, how about therapy. Not everyone gets that or can afford it. Seriously, when you are giving your child what they need to succeed in this world and it doesn't violate the rules, which red shirting does not in many places, then it's not cheating. What a crazy idea that you would withhold something that benefits your child just because everyone else doesn't do it.

[Anonymous]

If redshirting is cheating, what about tutors? Afterall, not all families can afford them for their kid. Also, how about therapy. Not everyone gets that or can afford it. Seriously, when you are giving your child what they need to succeed in this world and it doesn't violate the rules, which red shirting does not in many places, then it's not cheating. What a crazy idea that you would withhold something that benefits your child just because everyone else doesn't do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In some cases it is evening the playing field. I wouldn't consider redshirting cheating. People want every advantage for their child. Anyone can redshirt. It comes down to personal choice and your child's need.

No, anyone can't. Financially it's a MASSIVE issue for some families.

As I said-- it is a personal choice. Everyone has their own priorities. If someone really wants to redshirt their kid, they will find a way to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If redshirting is cheating, what about tutors? Afterall, not all families can afford them for their kid. Also, how about therapy. Not everyone gets that or can afford it. Seriously, when you are giving your child what they need to succeed in this world and it doesn't violate the rules, which red shirting does not in many places, then it's not cheating. What a crazy idea that you would withhold something that benefits your child just because everyone else doesn't do it.

What about private school?! Talk about cheating...

[Anonymous]

I'm trying to understand why the people are so against redshirting--especially for those on the cusp. Nobody is making you redshirt. If you don't approve, then don't do it.

signed, parent who did not redshirt kids

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If redshirting is cheating, what about tutors? Afterall, not all families can afford them for their kid. Also, how about therapy. Not everyone gets that or can afford it. Seriously, when you are giving your child what they need to succeed in this world and it doesn't violate the rules, which red shirting does not in many places, then it's not cheating. What a crazy idea that you would withhold something that benefits your child just because everyone else doesn't do it.

What about private school?! Talk about cheating...

Trust funder here , we do public and they go on time. Frankly if they, with two educated parents and world travel and hugely varied experiences aren't "mature" enough for K, I've failed. Ironically its just such kids who are routinely redshirted.