Say goodbye to your transit subsidies

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Anonymous wrote:Three fun facts:

There is not future in an America that is artificially "engineered" at every turn.


There's no point in working if everything is handed to you for free by someone else.

Every fortune cookie contains a fortune.

Fortune cookies don’t contain fortunes. They contain sayings or advice.

I’m going to go on the dole if I can get healthcare handed to me. Why should I work and take home nothing after bills? I can NOT work and not take home anything.

Agreed. Poverty is great! Highly recommended!

Wealth just buys a better address. The things I value - spending time with my family - have no cost but work costs me time. Time is worth more than money. I don’t want to spend all my time working, and I don’t need things anymore. I thought you guys hated wealth. I’d be poor in money but rich in the things that matter to me.

Tell that to hungry children who will get nothing this holiday, or people who can't afford health care for their chronic and serious illnesses.

When is the last time you heard of a child dying of starvation in this country (not due to abuse)? If the liberals get their way with universal healthcare, I’m done contributing my work. Why work? I work for healthcare now, and take home nothing after payments. I don’t need the stress of working.

Such a bullshit post. You take home nothing after paying healthcare? Who pays for your food, your mortgage, your electric bill, your internet?

Living in poverty, even with the supports we provide, is not a pleasant lifestyle. But you're welcome to quit your job and try it. I'm sure someone else would be more than happy to take your job and life of privilege if you leave your job.

Do you think I’m the only person in the US weighing the cost-benefit of working vs. public assistance? I guarantee there are millions weighing this decision this year. Eh - working brings me $xxxx, but not working gets me subsidized rent, healthcare, utilities, plus no hassle of work. I know a few people who call themselves “retired” under this formula. Why work? I’m not needy, I don’t care about material stuff or things, It doesn’t scare me to go without and it’s not the worst thing in the world. I raised my kids, and the things I like are free - library, spending time with grandkids, walking. I’m in the 50+ sweet spot where health insurance costs a fortune. Once it becomes universal I’m done with working. Probably 20% of the workforce today feels the same way. More free stuff will certainly free up jobs.

If health insurance is what is keeping you on the job, think again. If the stuff you like is free, as you say, and you can live on $3000 a month (my 55-year-old sister does, and she has a $1400 mortgage), you could buy a bronze Xchange plan for around $100/month after factoring into refundable tax credits. If your mortgage is paid and you could live on $2000 a month, the bronze would be free.

And that also proves your point. Providing all sorts of tax-payer benefits does allow people to move from work to "retired."

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Anonymous wrote:Tax bill eliminates the ability for employers to write off the transit and parking subsidies they give their employees. And without that incentive, you can pretty much guarantee that most employers will not hand them out.

I assume this will also worsen traffic as people start to drive instead of taking public transportation.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-gop-tax-bill-commuters-20171216-story.html

Did you people read this article? "Companies could still provide the parking and transit passes to employees, but they would no longer get the tax deduction. And employees who pay for their own transportation costs can still use pre-tax income."
If employers set up these ira type accounts employees are still paying with pre-tax income. That is ripping off everyone else. What's next? pre-tax lunch at work? Business clothes? This is all BS...

Are you really that stupid? Governments everywhere subsidize public transport because it reduces traffic congestion and pollution relative to having millions of extra cars on the road. Metro is expensive. It can cost 6.50 one way to go somewhere on Metro at peak time. Removing those subsidies will cause low and middle income people to use Metro a lot less and drive more.

This.

Fares only produce 27% of DC Metro revenue. The other 73% is from grants a subsidies directly to the metro budget. The government is the largest issuer of free passes, which most agencies mandate, regardless of the ability to deduct. Is anyone on here employed by a private, for profit employer who gives passes? ?

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Anonymous wrote:Tax bill eliminates the ability for employers to write off the transit and parking subsidies they give their employees. And without that incentive, you can pretty much guarantee that most employers will not hand them out.

I assume this will also worsen traffic as people start to drive instead of taking public transportation.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-gop-tax-bill-commuters-20171216-story.html

Did you people read this article? "Companies could still provide the parking and transit passes to employees, but they would no longer get the tax deduction. And employees who pay for their own transportation costs can still use pre-tax income."
If employers set up these ira type accounts employees are still paying with pre-tax income. That is ripping off everyone else. What's next? pre-tax lunch at work? Business clothes? This is all BS...

Are you really that stupid? Governments everywhere subsidize public transport because it reduces traffic congestion and pollution relative to having millions of extra cars on the road. Metro is expensive. It can cost 6.50 one way to go somewhere on Metro at peak time. Removing those subsidies will cause low and middle income people to use Metro a lot less and drive more.

This.

Fares only produce 27% of DC Metro revenue. The other 73% is from grants a subsidies directly to the metro budget. The government is the largest issuer of free passes, which most agencies mandate, regardless of the ability to deduct. Is anyone on here employed by a private, for profit employer who gives passes? ?

The government gives free passes?? To whom? Its employees? Don't tell me taxpayers are paying for this too!

I have never worked for a company (all my life in private) that subsidized commutes in any way. We had to pay our own way out of our salaries.

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^^^ My last employer, in DC, had its own private parking garage, for which it charged employees $280 a month, which is cheaper than the public garages. But sometimes when you arrived late (doc appt or whatever), there would be no spaces and you had to use a public garage. Much more expensive, and the company did NOT subsidize the public garage space - or rebate any portion of the $280. So, in essence, the company was collecting $280 per employee (more than 600 employees) for the right to park in their garage IF you found a spot.

That's the typical crap employers pull. Government employees don't appreciate how much better they have it.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ My last employer, in DC, had its own private parking garage, for which it charged employees $280 a month, which is cheaper than the public garages. But sometimes when you arrived late (doc appt or whatever), there would be no spaces and you had to use a public garage. Much more expensive, and the company did NOT subsidize the public garage space - or rebate any portion of the $280. So, in essence, the company was collecting $280 per employee (more than 600 employees) for the right to park in their garage IF you found a spot.

That's the typical crap employers pull. Government employees don't appreciate how much better they have it.

Actually, we do. We also think it's pathetic that you're so intent on pulling the rest of us down to your level of misery ("misery loves company" etc)

Employers in the U.S. actually DID previously subsidize public transportation. But then then labor stopped organizing and now employers foist more and more costs on the back of employees to the profit of management and inherited shareholders.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ My last employer, in DC, had its own private parking garage, for which it charged employees $280 a month, which is cheaper than the public garages. But sometimes when you arrived late (doc appt or whatever), there would be no spaces and you had to use a public garage. Much more expensive, and the company did NOT subsidize the public garage space - or rebate any portion of the $280. So, in essence, the company was collecting $280 per employee (more than 600 employees) for the right to park in their garage IF you found a spot.

That's the typical crap employers pull. Government employees don't appreciate how much better they have it.

Actually, we do. We also think it's pathetic that you're so intent on pulling the rest of us down to your level of misery ("misery loves company" etc)

Employers in the U.S. actually DID previously subsidize public transportation. But then then labor stopped organizing and now employers foist more and more costs on the back of employees to the profit of management and inherited shareholders.

I've heard that line about "pulling govt workers down to everyone else's level of misery." What you and other govt workers miss is that you are expecting (or demanding) that taxpayers provide their employees with more than they get themselves. (And yes, I get that you are a taxpayer too, but that's a completely illogical argument. I hope I don't have to explain why. It's exhausting.)

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I've heard that line about "pulling govt workers down to everyone else's level of misery." What you and other govt workers miss is that you are expecting (or demanding) that taxpayers provide their employees with more than they get themselves. (And yes, I get that you are a taxpayer too, but that's a completely illogical argument. I hope I don't have to explain why. It's exhausting.)

Yes. For example, when new federal employees got student loan forgiveness for taking a federal job. Meanwhile, those still looking for work and having trouble finding good jobs did not get it. Kind of ironic: get a job that enables you to afford to pay off your loan and you get loan forgiveness. Look for work, and no break.

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I've heard that line about "pulling govt workers down to everyone else's level of misery." What you and other govt workers miss is that you are expecting (or demanding) that taxpayers provide their employees with more than they get themselves. (And yes, I get that you are a taxpayer too, but that's a completely illogical argument. I hope I don't have to explain why. It's exhausting.)

Yes. For example, when new federal employees got student loan forgiveness for taking a federal job. Meanwhile, those still looking for work and having trouble finding good jobs did not get it. Kind of ironic: get a job that enables you to afford to pay off your loan and you get loan forgiveness. Look for work, and no break.

Stop electing Republicans and you'll get some help. But we can't help you when you're intent on shooting yourself in the foot over and over again.

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I've heard that line about "pulling govt workers down to everyone else's level of misery." What you and other govt workers miss is that you are expecting (or demanding) that taxpayers provide their employees with more than they get themselves. (And yes, I get that you are a taxpayer too, but that's a completely illogical argument. I hope I don't have to explain why. It's exhausting.)

Yes. For example, when new federal employees got student loan forgiveness for taking a federal job. Meanwhile, those still looking for work and having trouble finding good jobs did not get it. Kind of ironic: get a job that enables you to afford to pay off your loan and you get loan forgiveness. Look for work, and no break.

Yep. And I was just at a hotel this weekend that had special lower rates for government employees, as so many hotels do. WTH? These people earn more than average with substantially better benefits, and companies are still under the impression these "poor" public service workers deserve special prices (which, like all subsidies, are made up by charging other people more)?

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Anonymous wrote:The Rs are doing everything they can to rape the environment and my kid's future

Yes, your future depends on subsidies and handouts from others.

Maybe you should try a little pride and strive towards self-sufficiency. What a concept!

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jTrump depends on you Rs not being able to read. I didn't say I used subsidies. In fact, I never have. I have never taken out loans from the gov't. I paid my own college. No parents, no gov't. I'm 100% sure you can't say the same.

Unlike you greedy Rs, I have compassion for other people and the environment. Let me spell it out. Once the subsidies are gone, more people will drive. That will ruin the environment even more for the present and for my kid's generation. Capiche?

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I've heard that line about "pulling govt workers down to everyone else's level of misery." What you and other govt workers miss is that you are expecting (or demanding) that taxpayers provide their employees with more than they get themselves. (And yes, I get that you are a taxpayer too, but that's a completely illogical argument. I hope I don't have to explain why. It's exhausting.)

Yes. For example, when new federal employees got student loan forgiveness for taking a federal job. Meanwhile, those still looking for work and having trouble finding good jobs did not get it. Kind of ironic: get a job that enables you to afford to pay off your loan and you get loan forgiveness. Look for work, and no break.

Yep. And I was just at a hotel this weekend that had special lower rates for government employees, as so many hotels do. WTH? These people earn more than average with substantially better benefits, and companies are still under the impression these "poor" public service workers deserve special prices (which, like all subsidies, are made up by charging other people more)?

Hey moron, the "government rate" is for when individuals are on business travel on behalf of the government. They can't use it for personal travel.

Jesus h christ, you people are so f#cking stupid. It's as if being ill informed is a badge of pride.

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Anonymous wrote:

I've heard that line about "pulling govt workers down to everyone else's level of misery." What you and other govt workers miss is that you are expecting (or demanding) that taxpayers provide their employees with more than they get themselves. (And yes, I get that you are a taxpayer too, but that's a completely illogical argument. I hope I don't have to explain why. It's exhausting.)

Yes. For example, when new federal employees got student loan forgiveness for taking a federal job. Meanwhile, those still looking for work and having trouble finding good jobs did not get it. Kind of ironic: get a job that enables you to afford to pay off your loan and you get loan forgiveness. Look for work, and no break.

Stop electing Republicans and you'll get some help. But we can't help you when you're intent on shooting yourself in the foot over and over again.

Because our country and all our states and localities have always been run by Republicans and those poor Democrats just haven't gotten a chance ... oh wait.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I've heard that line about "pulling govt workers down to everyone else's level of misery." What you and other govt workers miss is that you are expecting (or demanding) that taxpayers provide their employees with more than they get themselves. (And yes, I get that you are a taxpayer too, but that's a completely illogical argument. I hope I don't have to explain why. It's exhausting.)

Yes. For example, when new federal employees got student loan forgiveness for taking a federal job. Meanwhile, those still looking for work and having trouble finding good jobs did not get it. Kind of ironic: get a job that enables you to afford to pay off your loan and you get loan forgiveness. Look for work, and no break.

Stop electing Republicans and you'll get some help. But we can't help you when you're intent on shooting yourself in the foot over and over again.

Because our country and all our states and localities have always been run by Republicans and those poor Democrats just haven't gotten a chance ... oh wait.

Huh? The economies of NY, CA, DC, NoVA, Seattle, Denver, and Boston are absolutely BOOMING. All are run by Dems. I'm not sure what your point is. Congress has been controlled by the GOP for nearly 8 years and they've done very little to help those who don't live in booming Democratic cities. So, if you "need help," either move to a Democratic city or elect more Democrats. But voting for the GOP will just make things more un-affordable for you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Rs are doing everything they can to rape the environment and my kid's future

Yes, your future depends on subsidies and handouts from others.

Maybe you should try a little pride and strive towards self-sufficiency. What a concept!

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jTrump depends on you Rs not being able to read. I didn't say I used subsidies. In fact, I never have. I have never taken out loans from the gov't. I paid my own college. No parents, no gov't. I'm 100% sure you can't say the same.

Unlike you greedy Rs, I have compassion for other people and the environment. Let me spell it out. Once the subsidies are gone, more people will drive. That will ruin the environment even more for the present and for my kid's generation. Capiche?

Didn’t you read anything in this thread? According to the fiscal report of DC Metro, only 27% of their revenue comes from fares. The major employer who gives out free passes is the government agencies in DC, as mandated by agency policy, and they don’t care if it’s tax deductible, because they don’t pay taxes. Have you found on this board a single non-government employee of a for profit who gets a free metro pass? Stop foaming at the mouth.

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Anonymous wrote:

I've heard that line about "pulling govt workers down to everyone else's level of misery." What you and other govt workers miss is that you are expecting (or demanding) that taxpayers provide their employees with more than they get themselves. (And yes, I get that you are a taxpayer too, but that's a completely illogical argument. I hope I don't have to explain why. It's exhausting.)

Yes. For example, when new federal employees got student loan forgiveness for taking a federal job. Meanwhile, those still looking for work and having trouble finding good jobs did not get it. Kind of ironic: get a job that enables you to afford to pay off your loan and you get loan forgiveness. Look for work, and no break.

Stop electing Republicans and you'll get some help. But we can't help you when you're intent on shooting yourself in the foot over and over again.

Because our country and all our states and localities have always been run by Republicans and those poor Democrats just haven't gotten a chance ... oh wait.

Huh? The economies of NY, CA, DC, NoVA, Seattle, Denver, and Boston are absolutely BOOMING. All are run by Dems. I'm not sure what your point is. Congress has been controlled by the GOP for nearly 8 years and they've done very little to help those who don't live in booming Democratic cities. So, if you "need help," either move to a Democratic city or elect more Democrats. But voting for the GOP will just make things more un-affordable for you.

IF WE elect more democrats, there will be more government jobs created, then we can all get a shot at those sweet deals.