BLM protests shuts down the Magnificent Mile in Chicago

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares about Chicago? Nobody.

Except when a white cop shoots a black guy ........... and then Chicago matters and BLM decides that it warrants protesting and inconveniencing shoppers.

Ah, so inconvenienced rich white shoppers is more of a big deal than a cop gunning down a teenager with 15 bullets and then lying about it.

A teenage black life is worth less than a white consumer being delayed 30 minutes while shopping.

That's basically what's being said here... And sadly it proves BLM's point.

Well, not exactly. The implicit premise of this kind of protest is that it is ethical to inflict costs on uninvolved people, such as random shoppers, so that they will pressure politicians to appease the protestors. I take issue with that premise, but BLM is making a tactical error. Attempting to hold whites as a whole collectively accountable for criminal conduct by the police will merely prompt a response where whites are incentivized to hold blacks collectively accountable for black crime as a whole, which is orders of magnitude more prevalent. And whites remain the majority and are well armed. I just don't see how that endgame looks good for BLM.

That's where you are wrong. This didn't come out of a vacuum. It's not as though they skipped every other conventional tactic before resorting to these tactics.

Nothing else to date has worked to get the attention of politicians. Apparently it takes hostages to get a response.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I knew the PP shooter in Colorado was white once they reported he walked out alive. I didn't need to wake up to see his mugshot for confirmation. I just knew.

Well, Colorado is almost 88% white, dumbo.

lol

statistics . . .

He is from North Carolina. Lol, as they say.

Ok - I'll laugh at you.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/28/us/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting/

Based on a public records search, Dear appears to have lived in Colorado for only about a year. In October 2014, Dear purchased property in Hartsel, a rural community about 65 miles west of the clinic, for $6,000. Zigmond Post, a neighbor, said one of the few interactions he had was when Dear brought him some anti-Obama pamphlets. "That's about all I've run into him," he said.

[Anonymous]

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Conspiracy theory...how and when? Please Google the Contra arms DEALS. Regan administration turned its back while his "friends" used the crack cocaine industry as a way to fund the Contra's in their fight against the "communist' rebels. White people like you are the problem. You know these things happen then deny them afterwards, and act as if blacks are just violent and drug users. I grew up in DC during the 80's and 90's and Know what I saw

Could you please point me to a credible site that discusses your point? I haven't found one. I'm not being snarky; I'm genuinely interested in reading some credible, factual support of your perspective.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the difference:

Of course violent crime is horrible, and of course blacks hate being victimized by criminals - but, one expects criminals to be criminals.

But when cops are the ones engaging in criminal behavior, it's not only the crime that's horrible, it's the betrayal as well that makes it even worse - that the people who are supposed to be protecting you are the ones victimizing you.

And the fact that the number of black on black deaths exceeds by many times the number of those from police misconduct/brutality makes no difference?

You shouldn't be shot and killed by your own government.

No, but you should also - as a parent - be responsible for your own kids. When parents lose control of their kids, the government takes over - social services or jail. That's the way it goes, folks.

Of course, we can say that poverty is the root of all evil. But again, with social programs (WIC, Medicaid, Job Corps, migrant training, you name it), why do people stay within victim mode?

We've basically fucked ourselves by ignoring how to wean people off programs.

The answer isn't more government. Instead, we need more transition services. Furthermore, mandate sensitivity training for police.

But most importantly? Parents NEED to be parents. I don't care how goddamn poor you are. Your kids come first. There are more than a few success stories out there of people overcoming the odds.

Spot on!

But don't expect your viewpoint to receive much support from liberals.

Really?? You don't think "liberals" want people to be parents too? No one is absolving parents of their responsibility. How long did it take for them to find the guy who killed the 9 year old? One week. How long did it take the police to release the video of the cop - 14 MONTHS and ONLY after going to court.

The LaQuan kid was a ward of the state. His mother abandoned him, then when she got him back at 3, her boyfriend beat him up. Oh sure, that kid had a chance?? The city settled with the family for $5M last year. I am a liberal and I want to know what the hell for? His mother got $5M for being a fucked up mother?

I've seen a ton of coverage on the guy and the kid killed. A ton. And there should be.

I've come to realized that there is just a generation lost. I hate to say it, but alot of those folks can never work. They just can't. They haven't seen someone go to work in 3 generations. Seriously. I've seen it with my husband's family. After meeting them, I realized that it is what it is. These folks have NO skills. They can't even communicate. You can complain about government services if you want, but you will be paying for these people - either in jail, as the homeless or through TANF.

Actually, I wrote what Spot On liked, and I'm a Lib, too.

I said it before - that we've failed as a society to wean people off social programs and we've enabled a sense of victimhood in many. I've worked with kids in foster homes. Many don't make it in a comprehensive setting. The people working with these kids have good hearts (most, not all), but they simply cannot make up for years of lost parenting. These kids are abandoned, neglected, and many were repeatedly molested by an uncle or boyfriend before CPS intervened.

However, the same can be said for many kids living in poverty - abandoned by parents who are either too damn lazy to work or by those working multiple jobs just to keep a meal on the table. But there are those living in poverty who make sacrifices. I can name several kids who made it - with mainly fathers working their asses off so that someone - a mother, aunt, or grandmother - would be the stable adult figure. These kids were loved, and many ended up with academic scholarships (not athletic) to some solid universities.

On the flip side, there are parents, home all day, sucking up the system, who aren't involved.

Good, responsible parents make sacrifices and understand what love and support are.

What did you expect would happen to a kid like Laquan McDonald who was abused, neglected and passed around? Who's to blame in this case? white society? Is that the easy answer?

Instead of placing blame on some "entity," create more alternative schools with mental health resources and teachers TRAINED in dealing with troubled kids. Illiterate kids will turn to crime. They'll steal, murder, and join gangs unless people recognize the need to recreate an environment where kids have boundaries and are held to high expectations.

PP Here, I just said that his mother and family were to blame. I didn't mention white people at all.

[Anonymous]

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Conspiracy theory...how and when? Please Google the Contra arms DEALS. Regan administration turned its back while his "friends" used the crack cocaine industry as a way to fund the Contra's in their fight against the "communist' rebels. White people like you are the problem. You know these things happen then deny them afterwards, and act as if blacks are just violent and drug users. I grew up in DC during the 80's and 90's and Know what I saw

Could you please point me to a credible site that discusses your point? I haven't found one. I'm not being snarky; I'm genuinely interested in reading some credible, factual support of your perspective.

This argues against the conspiracy story.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/special/cia.html
cocaine, conspiracy theories and the cia in central america by Craig Delaval

Since its creation in 1947 under President Harry Truman, the CIA has been credited with a number of far-fetched operations. While some were proven - the infamous LSD mind-control experiments of the 1950s - others, like the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the crash of the Savings and Loans industry, have little or no merit.
In 1996 the agency was accused of being a crack dealer.

A series of expose articles in the San Jose Mercury-News by reporter Gary Webb told tales of a drug triangle during the 1980s that linked CIA officials in Central America, a San Francisco drug ring and a Los Angeles drug dealer. According to the stories, the CIA and its operatives used crack cocaine--sold via the Los Angeles African-American community--to raise millions to support the agency's clandestine operations in Central America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Conspiracy theory...how and when? Please Google the Contra arms DEALS. Regan administration turned its back while his "friends" used the crack cocaine industry as a way to fund the Contra's in their fight against the "communist' rebels. White people like you are the problem. You know these things happen then deny them afterwards, and act as if blacks are just violent and drug users. I grew up in DC during the 80's and 90's and Know what I saw

Could you please point me to a credible site that discusses your point? I haven't found one. I'm not being snarky; I'm genuinely interested in reading some credible, factual support of your perspective.

This argues against the conspiracy story.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/special/cia.html
cocaine, conspiracy theories and the cia in central america by Craig Delaval

Since its creation in 1947 under President Harry Truman, the CIA has been credited with a number of far-fetched operations. While some were proven - the infamous LSD mind-control experiments of the 1950s - others, like the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the crash of the Savings and Loans industry, have little or no merit.
In 1996 the agency was accused of being a crack dealer.

A series of expose articles in the San Jose Mercury-News by reporter Gary Webb told tales of a drug triangle during the 1980s that linked CIA officials in Central America, a San Francisco drug ring and a Los Angeles drug dealer. According to the stories, the CIA and its operatives used crack cocaine--sold via the Los Angeles African-American community--to raise millions to support the agency's clandestine operations in Central America.

hit send too soon

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/10/gary-webb-dark-alliance_n_5961748.html
Key Figures In CIA-Crack Cocaine Scandal Begin To Come Forward

Webb's investigation was published in the summer of 1996 in the San Jose Mercury News. In it, he reported that a drug ring that sold millions of dollars worth of cocaine in Los Angeles was funneling its profits to the CIA’s army in Nicaragua, known as the Contras.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Conspiracy theory...how and when? Please Google the Contra arms DEALS. Regan administration turned its back while his "friends" used the crack cocaine industry as a way to fund the Contra's in their fight against the "communist' rebels. White people like you are the problem. You know these things happen then deny them afterwards, and act as if blacks are just violent and drug users. I grew up in DC during the 80's and 90's and Know what I saw

Why do you always have to blame others for your problems? Take some fricking responsibility for your behavior and how black kids are being raised.

Yes, there was rampant discrimination against blacks for a long time and there is still some. Affirmative action gave some minorities a leg-up in an effort to compensate. I have personally hired blacks who were less qualified than their white counterparts as part of affirmative action at companies where I worked.

There are things that blacks can do to improve their lot.

For a start, get fathers involved in raising their kids as opposed to just producing children through multiple mothers and then leaving them to fend for themselves. When 72% of black children are being raised by single mothers you have a problem. No point in blaming Reagan and crack cocaine.

Have you ever considered the millions of immigrants who come to the country from Asia/India and Africa and make good despite language problems and other hurdles? Why is it that Nigerian children in this country are doing exceptionally well?

Keep blaming your problems on others and nothing will change - whether there is a BLM movement or not.

Lol what does someone personal choice have too do with the state murdering black men and women? I'm not suppose to demand accountability from people who salaries I pay because someone I dont know had a baby out of wedlock? I love how whites can copy and paste blk stats, but knows nothing about their own dismal failures

Ps. The worst case of cop brutality happen to African immiugrants not black Americans

no clue where that stat came from

However, I do see articles addressing how the media downplays harmful acts toward Hispanics.

http://america.aljazeera.com/multimedia/2015/8/police-killings-of-latinos-spark-less-outrage.html
Police killings of Latinos spark less outrage than when victims are black

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one is ignoring the black on black crime. neither is right.

So where are the protests over the black on black crimes?

You are a fool and clearly don't read. The last time they marched and shut down the magnificent mile, was over black on black crime. Didn't know that did you?

Resorting to name calling does not respond to the basic issue!

Can you really compare the token demonstrations that have taken place against black on black violence with what BLM is doing to protest violence by law enforcement?

In the case of Chicago, these demonstrations should be taking place in the heart of the South side where the decimation of young blacks is occurring. But that will not happen, will it?

Police execution of black men and women is a country wide issue not one just in Chicago. Them not protesting some other issue doesn't make their issue non valid. I recall a big push for gun control in the 90's by black leaders and poloticians that was always shot down and ignored, because people like u thought it was an excuse remember the popular phrase "guns don't kill blacks, blacks do", so even the constant protest to end inner city crime falls on death ears.

The police need to be better trained. And more inner city young black men need to pull their pants up, buckle down and obey the laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the difference:

Of course violent crime is horrible, and of course blacks hate being victimized by criminals - but, one expects criminals to be criminals.

But when cops are the ones engaging in criminal behavior, it's not only the crime that's horrible, it's the betrayal as well that makes it even worse - that the people who are supposed to be protecting you are the ones victimizing you.

And the fact that the number of black on black deaths exceeds by many times the number of those from police misconduct/brutality makes no difference?

You shouldn't be shot and killed by your own government.

No, but you should also - as a parent - be responsible for your own kids. When parents lose control of their kids, the government takes over - social services or jail. That's the way it goes, folks.

Of course, we can say that poverty is the root of all evil. But again, with social programs (WIC, Medicaid, Job Corps, migrant training, you name it), why do people stay within victim mode?

We've basically fucked ourselves by ignoring how to wean people off programs.

The answer isn't more government. Instead, we need more transition services. Furthermore, mandate sensitivity training for police.

But most importantly? Parents NEED to be parents. I don't care how goddamn poor you are. Your kids come first. There are more than a few success stories out there of people overcoming the odds.

Like Sandra Bland? She was college educated...didn't help her much. or how about the black guy in Florida, who was married and the drummer for his local church...cop really didn't care when he fired multiple shots into his chest. goodness lets not count the stories you dont hear about it. i read one on Huffington post and it made my skin crawl

How about the white guy in Fairfax who was shot by a (Hispanic) cop on his front step, with his hands raised? The Fairfax police covered that up and did nothing with the officer for nearly two years, until Sen. Grassley of Iowa began asking questions. And, while the story got some modest coverage, it got far less than the cop-shoots-black-guy narrative that the press runs with nowadays. Unfortunately, these incidents are far too common, no matter the race of the person shot. And the police need to be better trained, especially to de-escalate situations and to deal better with mentally ill people.

You don't think that it was all of the nationwide coverage of police brutality that prompted further coverage and adjudication of the John Geer shooting?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I knew the PP shooter in Colorado was white once they reported he walked out alive. I didn't need to wake up to see his mugshot for confirmation. I just knew.

Well, Colorado is almost 88% white, dumbo.

lol

statistics . . .

I wonder what the statistics are for cop killers who make it out of the scene alive. What percentage of those do you think are white?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is ignoring the black on black crime. neither is right.

So where are the protests over the black on black crimes?

You are a fool and clearly don't read. The last time they marched and shut down the magnificent mile, was over black on black crime. Didn't know that did you?

Resorting to name calling does not respond to the basic issue!

Can you really compare the token demonstrations that have taken place against black on black violence with what BLM is doing to protest violence by law enforcement?

In the case of Chicago, these demonstrations should be taking place in the heart of the South side where the decimation of young blacks is occurring. But that will not happen, will it?

Police execution of black men and women is a country wide issue not one just in Chicago. Them not protesting some other issue doesn't make their issue non valid. I recall a big push for gun control in the 90's by black leaders and poloticians that was always shot down and ignored, because people like u thought it was an excuse remember the popular phrase "guns don't kill blacks, blacks do", so even the constant protest to end inner city crime falls on death ears.

The police need to be better trained. And more inner city young black men need to pull their pants up, buckle down and obey the laws.

this in a nutshell

It's a 50-50 deal.

Not all cops are assholes - but they should go through sensitivity training on a regular basis.

Not all blacks are victims/poor parents/criminals - you fill in the blanks of all of the stereotypes the media perpetuates. However, that also means that people fight these stereotypes in a civilized way.

Folks, the media is the worst enemy. You can't see that?

Someone will mention Breitbart and another person will come back with an article from NPR or Huff Post. two sides of a coin - with no one willing to meet in the center

Now THAT'S the best support of a conspiratorial move than all of the other bullshit posted on this thread.

[Anonymous]

The police need to be better trained. And more inner city young black men need to pull their pants up, buckle down and obey the laws.

That may be true, but don't you think that of those two, the party that is paid by your tax money and entrusted with the protection of our society be held to a higher standard?

[Anonymous]

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The police need to be better trained. And more inner city young black men need to pull their pants up, buckle down and obey the laws.

That may be true, but don't you think that of those two, the party that is paid by your tax money and entrusted with the protection of our society be held to a higher standard?

If the government kills you without cause, it is tyranny. Not "your application for tax free status got delayed" tyranny, but actuall life and death tyranny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is ignoring the black on black crime. neither is right.

So where are the protests over the black on black crimes?

You are a fool and clearly don't read. The last time they marched and shut down the magnificent mile, was over black on black crime. Didn't know that did you?

Resorting to name calling does not respond to the basic issue!

Can you really compare the token demonstrations that have taken place against black on black violence with what BLM is doing to protest violence by law enforcement?

In the case of Chicago, these demonstrations should be taking place in the heart of the South side where the decimation of young blacks is occurring. But that will not happen, will it?

Police execution of black men and women is a country wide issue not one just in Chicago. Them not protesting some other issue doesn't make their issue non valid. I recall a big push for gun control in the 90's by black leaders and poloticians that was always shot down and ignored, because people like u thought it was an excuse remember the popular phrase "guns don't kill blacks, blacks do", so even the constant protest to end inner city crime falls on death ears.

The police need to be better trained. And more inner city young black men need to pull their pants up, buckle down and obey the laws.

Who are these thugs u keep talking about? Church drummer in Florida ? Sandra bland? tamir rice? Treyvon martin? Like I said before Dylan roof executed 9 people in a church and got a trip to burger king when he was arrexted . so what if a kid walks with sagging pants unless he voilatecd a dency law no rules have been broking and he should notg be shot down by the police

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Conspiracy theory...how and when? Please Google the Contra arms DEALS. Regan administration turned its back while his "friends" used the crack cocaine industry as a way to fund the Contra's in their fight against the "communist' rebels. White people like you are the problem. You know these things happen then deny them afterwards, and act as if blacks are just violent and drug users. I grew up in DC during the 80's and 90's and Know what I saw

Could you please point me to a credible site that discusses your point? I haven't found one. I'm not being snarky; I'm genuinely interested in reading some credible, factual support of your perspective.

Montel Williams did a whole show on this. Beyond excellent. It happened for sure the only question is what the feds knew about it

http://youtu.be/jx9G4zmpKv0