BLM protests shuts down the Magnificent Mile in Chicago

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Anonymous wrote:In your "truth" you blame poor people for the shitty schools, not acknowledging the poor people have little control or say over the quality of their shitty schools. You fail to acknowledge the lack of community engagment and interventions to deal with the lack of parenting, which you fail to acknowledge comes from the fact that dad is in jail for being busted with weed, and that mom dropped out of school because she got knocked up because she didn't have access to contraceptives, and that this is a cycle that has continued for multiple generations, and they don't know what "normal" is even supposed to be.

NP here.
If this were all true, then nobody would ever make it out of poverty.
But, many do.
What is the difference? Why are some born into poverty successful later in life and others are not?
Could it be..... PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?

"Many" don't get out. Very few do. It's a self-perpetuating trap.

I have commented on this many times. I grew up in a struggling neighborhood in a poor household. My parents, while hard working and well-meaning, had never been to college and expended so much energy "surviving." I was a good student and a responsible teen (I cared for my siblings whle my parents worked). However, until I was 15YO I had no idea that college was even an option for me. I knew nothing about college readiness or financial aid and neither did my parents. The ONLY reason that I even began to understand it as an option is because I had a couple of teachers who saw my potential and helped me. Without them, I would have followed a different path. That is the thing wrong with "all you need is personal responsibility" rhetoric. It implies that people know or should know all of the options they have. In some of these homes, that is not the case. That is one reason why I volunteer in a mentoring program for HS kids. I help them learn what is out there and how to get after it.

Besides that, there is a factual disconnect with all this rhetoric. People ARE trying to help themselves get out of some of these communities. AA and Latino college attendance are at historical highs. May of those kids are from low SES backgrounds. The flip side to that is that student loan debt levels are alarmingly high is this demographic.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is ignoring the black on black crime. neither is right.

So where are the protests over the black on black crimes?

You are a fool and clearly don't read. The last time they marched and shut down the magnificent mile, was over black on black crime. Didn't know that did you?

Resorting to name calling does not respond to the basic issue!

Can you really compare the token demonstrations that have taken place against black on black violence with what BLM is doing to protest violence by law enforcement?

In the case of Chicago, these demonstrations should be taking place in the heart of the South side where the decimation of young blacks is occurring. But that will not happen, will it?

Police execution of black men and women is a country wide issue not one just in Chicago. Them not protesting some other issue doesn't make their issue non valid. I recall a big push for gun control in the 90's by black leaders and poloticians that was always shot down and ignored, because people like u thought it was an excuse remember the popular phrase "guns don't kill blacks, blacks do", so even the constant protest to end inner city crime falls on death ears.

The police need to be better trained. And more inner city young black men need to pull their pants up, buckle down and obey the laws.

Who are these thugs u keep talking about? Church drummer in Florida ? Sandra bland? tamir rice? Treyvon martin? Like I said before Dylan roof executed 9 people in a church and got a trip to burger king when he was arrexted . so what if a kid walks with sagging pants unless he voilatecd a dency law no rules have been broking and he should notg be shot down by the police

I see you didn't mention Michael Brown in Ferguson, who knocked over a convenience store. While any death is a tragedy, more sensible people have abandoned any notion that Mr. Brown was some kind of hero.

Michael Brown was a thug. But even so he didn't deserve a death sentence for roughing up a shopkeeper and taking a handful of shitty cheap cigarillos. Michael Brown had big problems, yeah, but the cop should have called for backup and they could have taken him in without killing him. And he certainly didn't deserve to have his dead body lying out in the open for 4 hours like roadkill - between the cop shooting him and the lack of an appropriate response, it all shows a disgusting lack of respect and care for poor folks, and that's still the core issue regardless of whether Michael Brown was a thug or not.

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Michael Brown was a thug. But even so he didn't deserve a death sentence for roughing up a shopkeeper and taking a handful of shitty cheap cigarillos. Michael Brown had big problems, yeah, but the cop should have called for backup and they could have taken him in without killing him. And he certainly didn't deserve to have his dead body lying out in the open for 4 hours like roadkill - between the cop shooting him and the lack of an appropriate response, it all shows a disgusting lack of respect and care for poor folks, and that's still the core issue regardless of whether Michael Brown was a thug or not.

Michael Brown was killed because he was "charging" a policeman. He had already struggled with him and tried to take his gun. That simple.

As for the "roadkill", this is not rare in these cases. Have you ever been on a highway where there was a death in an auto accident?

For the record, I had a friend whose grandmother was raped and killed at home. That scene was also preserved for a long time in what appeared to be a coldhearted manner. For the record, the victim was white. Granted, it was in her home instead of the road, but this is not abnormal procedure when there is a death by violence. This was many years ago, and I still remember how upset my friend was about it.

Should the body have been handled differently? Probably. However, the crime scene is usually preserved in these cases until the proper officials can investigate. I don't know if that happened in the Michael Brown case, but, I assure you, it is not a racial thing.

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Michael Brown was a thug. But even so he didn't deserve a death sentence for roughing up a shopkeeper and taking a handful of shitty cheap cigarillos. Michael Brown had big problems, yeah, but the cop should have called for backup and they could have taken him in without killing him. And he certainly didn't deserve to have his dead body lying out in the open for 4 hours like roadkill - between the cop shooting him and the lack of an appropriate response, it all shows a disgusting lack of respect and care for poor folks, and that's still the core issue regardless of whether Michael Brown was a thug or not.

Michael Brown was killed because he was "charging" a policeman. He had already struggled with him and tried to take his gun. That simple.

As for the "roadkill", this is not rare in these cases. Have you ever been on a highway where there was a death in an auto accident?

For the record, I had a friend whose grandmother was raped and killed at home. That scene was also preserved for a long time in what appeared to be a coldhearted manner. For the record, the victim was white. Granted, it was in her home instead of the road, but this is not abnormal procedure when there is a death by violence. This was many years ago, and I still remember how upset my friend was about it.

Should the body have been handled differently? Probably. However, the crime scene is usually preserved in these cases until the proper officials can investigate. I don't know if that happened in the Michael Brown case, but, I assure you, it is not a racial thing.

Another PP here. Please note that the PP said "poor" folks - she did NOT mention race in her post. You did in yours.

I agree that Brown is not the best example but look at the Tamir Rice case and the guy who was "accidentally" shot in the NY stairwell. In both those instances, the police officers did not render aid to the person that had just been shot - in fact, the cop in NYC called his union rep first. Witnesses and the evidence showed that Tamir Rice did not die immediately. Instead of calling for aid, as witnesses urged, the officers busied themselves by restraining his hysterical sister. So, letting the victim bleed out and die while the officer worries about "other things" is just as harmful to the narrative as is shooting the person in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, understandable outrage over the shooting of another African-American by a cop.

But guess what BLM completely ignores: the carnage that African-Americans are inflicting on each other!

From the Chicago Tribune:

So far this year, Chicago has seen at least 2,703 people shot, about 400 more than during the same period last year, according to a Chicago Tribune analysis of shootings data collected over the last two years. Through Monday morning, homicides have risen to at least 440, up from 397 a year earlier, according to Tribune data on city homicides.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20151123-story.html

There is something very awry when this sort of slaughter of AAs occurs and BLM does not have a peep to say about the lives being taken. Do BLM only when those lives are being taken by cops or does it extend to the thousands more who are being murdered by other blacks?

How often do you hear liberals - who are espousing the BLM movement - addressing the thousands of lives being taken by other than cops?

Amen.

But it's the drama queens and the rappers, not the responsible pastors and churchgoers, who've taken over black leadership in America.

And instead of the soaring, loving language of Dr. King, we have the violence-celebrating and hate-stoking lyrics of the rappers.

Don't know much about Dr. King do you?

Well, we know that whatever he was doing in his personal life, he didn't write lyrics and rap about it.

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Anonymous wrote:"Black people are not allowed to protest police brutality because many of them are poor and many blacks kill other blacks."

I'm sorry I just don't get the rationale.

No one is saying that they shouldnt protest but the reality is the people involved had criminal pasts or the officers had mental issues. Also the number of black on black crime is more and both are serious issues although the other is ignored more.

So you think issues of crime and violence are ignored in predominately black communities and they should focus their dissent on those issues instead of on police brutality. Ehhh...kind of makes sense but it raises two questions in my mind.

#1 - what makes you think crime and violence are ignored?
I don't want to be presumptuous but I have my doubts that you are familiar with the outcries of predominantly black communities and the outreach attempts of the various churches, community organizations, and families who proactively put forth a great deal of effort to stop the violence in their neighborhoods. When you say "ignored" I think you're misconstruing the little to no media coverage of their efforts as indicative of little to no actual concern and action in these communities.

#2 - what does the criminal past of someone have to do with them being denied equal treatment under the law?
Again I don't want to be presumptuous but it sounds like you're suggesting that black criminals are not citizens of this country and not even human for that matter, and that's disturbing. I know you don't feel that way but it sounds like you're justifying just opening fire on blacks and just killing them on sight without due process and without any respect for their rights because they broke the law or because they are a perceived threat and that's just wrong. That mentality is what leads to 12 year-old's getting gunned down on playgrounds for holding a toy gun.

#1 I said it was ignored more meaning that less attention is paid to it. I lived in a majority black community for years and know the efforts put in by locals but the problem with most of it was that kids or young people involved in those drug or crime activities didnt have much parent supervision, guidance, single mom households, and the problem persisted.

2# its well known that most of the victims in the media sensation stories were thugs and also all officers can react the same way if they feel their life is in danger, even if they are black or white but that is due to lack of proper training I believe. For example, in florida a black cop went to the home of a latino family then the girl went in her home left the door open and out ran her little dog which the officer immediately shot to death. Lack of proper training and dumb moves.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, understandable outrage over the shooting of another African-American by a cop.

But guess what BLM completely ignores: the carnage that African-Americans are inflicting on each other!

From the Chicago Tribune:

So far this year, Chicago has seen at least 2,703 people shot, about 400 more than during the same period last year, according to a Chicago Tribune analysis of shootings data collected over the last two years. Through Monday morning, homicides have risen to at least 440, up from 397 a year earlier, according to Tribune data on city homicides.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20151123-story.html

There is something very awry when this sort of slaughter of AAs occurs and BLM does not have a peep to say about the lives being taken. Do BLM only when those lives are being taken by cops or does it extend to the thousands more who are being murdered by other blacks?

How often do you hear liberals - who are espousing the BLM movement - addressing the thousands of lives being taken by other than cops?

Amen.

But it's the drama queens and the rappers, not the responsible pastors and churchgoers, who've taken over black leadership in America.

And instead of the soaring, loving language of Dr. King, we have the violence-celebrating and hate-stoking lyrics of the rappers.

Don't know much about Dr. King do you?

Well, we know that whatever he was doing in his personal life, he didn't write lyrics and rap about it.

Conservatives hated Dr. King when he was alive.

BTW gangsta rap is pretty much dead and has been for some time, yet you still complain about it. If there is a problem with rap today, it is that it glorifies misogyny and partying. The top rap song was just parodied by Donald Trump and you were proud of that. Drake, Macklemore, Pharrell Williams, Kanye, etc. There just isn't much of that music about drug dealing gangs shooting each other anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:"Black people are not allowed to protest police brutality because many of them are poor and many blacks kill other blacks."

I'm sorry I just don't get the rationale.

No one is saying that they shouldnt protest but the reality is the people involved had criminal pasts or the officers had mental issues. Also the number of black on black crime is more and both are serious issues although the other is ignored more.

So you think issues of crime and violence are ignored in predominately black communities and they should focus their dissent on those issues instead of on police brutality. Ehhh...kind of makes sense but it raises two questions in my mind.

#1 - what makes you think crime and violence are ignored?
I don't want to be presumptuous but I have my doubts that you are familiar with the outcries of predominantly black communities and the outreach attempts of the various churches, community organizations, and families who proactively put forth a great deal of effort to stop the violence in their neighborhoods. When you say "ignored" I think you're misconstruing the little to no media coverage of their efforts as indicative of little to no actual concern and action in these communities.

#2 - what does the criminal past of someone have to do with them being denied equal treatment under the law?
Again I don't want to be presumptuous but it sounds like you're suggesting that black criminals are not citizens of this country and not even human for that matter, and that's disturbing. I know you don't feel that way but it sounds like you're justifying just opening fire on blacks and just killing them on sight without due process and without any respect for their rights because they broke the law or because they are a perceived threat and that's just wrong. That mentality is what leads to 12 year-old's getting gunned down on playgrounds for holding a toy gun.

#1 I said it was ignored more meaning that less attention is paid to it. I lived in a majority black community for years and know the efforts put in by locals but the problem with most of it was that kids or young people involved in those drug or crime activities didnt have much parent supervision, guidance, single mom households, and the problem persisted.

2# its well known that most of the victims in the media sensation stories were thugs and also all officers can react the same way if they feel their life is in danger, even if they are black or white but that is due to lack of proper training I believe. For example, in florida a black cop went to the home of a latino family then the girl went in her home left the door open and out ran her little dog which the officer immediately shot to death. Lack of proper training and dumb moves.

Well, first of all, I would suggest you reconsider your choice of words then seeing how ignore (definition: refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally) is not a synonym for "pay less attention to".
Second of all, you still haven't explained why you think its okay for police officers to ignore (as in disregard intentionally) the protocol regarding "appropriate use of force" when mitigating an incident, making an arrest, or protecting themselves or others from harm. The last time I checked being a thug doesn't excuse someone from due process nor does being a thug in and of itself warrant officers to outright murder unarmed civilians as opposed to using non-lethal means to detain or apprehend a suspect. Once again I don't mean to be presumptuous but it still sounds like you're advocating killing people without just cause because they're perceived as "inferior" and that attitude is indeed something that demands protest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Black people are not allowed to protest police brutality because many of them are poor and many blacks kill other blacks."

I'm sorry I just don't get the rationale.

No one is saying that they shouldnt protest but the reality is the people involved had criminal pasts or the officers had mental issues. Also the number of black on black crime is more and both are serious issues although the other is ignored more.

So you think issues of crime and violence are ignored in predominately black communities and they should focus their dissent on those issues instead of on police brutality. Ehhh...kind of makes sense but it raises two questions in my mind.

#1 - what makes you think crime and violence are ignored?
I don't want to be presumptuous but I have my doubts that you are familiar with the outcries of predominantly black communities and the outreach attempts of the various churches, community organizations, and families who proactively put forth a great deal of effort to stop the violence in their neighborhoods. When you say "ignored" I think you're misconstruing the little to no media coverage of their efforts as indicative of little to no actual concern and action in these communities.

#2 - what does the criminal past of someone have to do with them being denied equal treatment under the law?
Again I don't want to be presumptuous but it sounds like you're suggesting that black criminals are not citizens of this country and not even human for that matter, and that's disturbing. I know you don't feel that way but it sounds like you're justifying just opening fire on blacks and just killing them on sight without due process and without any respect for their rights because they broke the law or because they are a perceived threat and that's just wrong. That mentality is what leads to 12 year-old's getting gunned down on playgrounds for holding a toy gun.

#1 I said it was ignored more meaning that less attention is paid to it. I lived in a majority black community for years and know the efforts put in by locals but the problem with most of it was that kids or young people involved in those drug or crime activities didnt have much parent supervision, guidance, single mom households, and the problem persisted.

2# its well known that most of the victims in the media sensation stories were thugs and also all officers can react the same way if they feel their life is in danger, even if they are black or white but that is due to lack of proper training I believe. For example, in florida a black cop went to the home of a latino family then the girl went in her home left the door open and out ran her little dog which the officer immediately shot to death. Lack of proper training and dumb moves.

Well, first of all, I would suggest you reconsider your choice of words then seeing how ignore (definition: refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally) is not a synonym for "pay less attention to".
Second of all, you still haven't explained why you think its okay for police officers to ignore (as in disregard intentionally) the protocol regarding "appropriate use of force" when mitigating an incident, making an arrest, or protecting themselves or others from harm. The last time I checked being a thug doesn't excuse someone from due process nor does being a thug in and of itself warrant officers to outright murder unarmed civilians as opposed to using non-lethal means to detain or apprehend a suspect. Once again I don't mean to be presumptuous but it still sounds like you're advocating killing people without just cause because they're perceived as "inferior" and that attitude is indeed something that demands protest.

Uhh hence why I said "ignored MORE" not completely ignored. If you ignore a bigger issue more than another issue that mostly has to do with proper training then you arent paying attention to the bigger issue as much as you should.

I didnt say it was okay for officers to not use proper protocol. What are you talking about? I just said that they arent and of course they should be! Lol stop with the crazy talk about advocating killing people but if the thugs killed or hurt people should the officer defend himself? There are lots of stories where officers didnt do anything and the thug ended up killing them. There was a story about a black thug who shot down a hispanic rookie cop and then bragged about it before he was caught. It didnt make big news though I wonder why?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, understandable outrage over the shooting of another African-American by a cop.

But guess what BLM completely ignores: the carnage that African-Americans are inflicting on each other!

From the Chicago Tribune:

So far this year, Chicago has seen at least 2,703 people shot, about 400 more than during the same period last year, according to a Chicago Tribune analysis of shootings data collected over the last two years. Through Monday morning, homicides have risen to at least 440, up from 397 a year earlier, according to Tribune data on city homicides.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20151123-story.html

There is something very awry when this sort of slaughter of AAs occurs and BLM does not have a peep to say about the lives being taken. Do BLM only when those lives are being taken by cops or does it extend to the thousands more who are being murdered by other blacks?

How often do you hear liberals - who are espousing the BLM movement - addressing the thousands of lives being taken by other than cops?

Amen.

But it's the drama queens and the rappers, not the responsible pastors and churchgoers, who've taken over black leadership in America.

And instead of the soaring, loving language of Dr. King, we have the violence-celebrating and hate-stoking lyrics of the rappers.

Don't know much about Dr. King do you?

Well, we know that whatever he was doing in his personal life, he didn't write lyrics and rap about it.

Yea, intelligent and informed answer. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, understandable outrage over the shooting of another African-American by a cop.

But guess what BLM completely ignores: the carnage that African-Americans are inflicting on each other!

From the Chicago Tribune:

So far this year, Chicago has seen at least 2,703 people shot, about 400 more than during the same period last year, according to a Chicago Tribune analysis of shootings data collected over the last two years. Through Monday morning, homicides have risen to at least 440, up from 397 a year earlier, according to Tribune data on city homicides.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20151123-story.html

There is something very awry when this sort of slaughter of AAs occurs and BLM does not have a peep to say about the lives being taken. Do BLM only when those lives are being taken by cops or does it extend to the thousands more who are being murdered by other blacks?

How often do you hear liberals - who are espousing the BLM movement - addressing the thousands of lives being taken by other than cops?

Amen.

But it's the drama queens and the rappers, not the responsible pastors and churchgoers, who've taken over black leadership in America.

And instead of the soaring, loving language of Dr. King, we have the violence-celebrating and hate-stoking lyrics of the rappers.

Don't know much about Dr. King do you?

Or about rappers. Here are some quotes from one of "the rappers," one your side tried to demonize when he was invited to the White House:
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/common.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, understandable outrage over the shooting of another African-American by a cop.

But guess what BLM completely ignores: the carnage that African-Americans are inflicting on each other!

From the Chicago Tribune:

So far this year, Chicago has seen at least 2,703 people shot, about 400 more than during the same period last year, according to a Chicago Tribune analysis of shootings data collected over the last two years. Through Monday morning, homicides have risen to at least 440, up from 397 a year earlier, according to Tribune data on city homicides.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20151123-story.html

There is something very awry when this sort of slaughter of AAs occurs and BLM does not have a peep to say about the lives being taken. Do BLM only when those lives are being taken by cops or does it extend to the thousands more who are being murdered by other blacks?

How often do you hear liberals - who are espousing the BLM movement - addressing the thousands of lives being taken by other than cops?

Amen.

But it's the drama queens and the rappers, not the responsible pastors and churchgoers, who've taken over black leadership in America.

And instead of the soaring, loving language of Dr. King, we have the violence-celebrating and hate-stoking lyrics of the rappers.

Don't know much about Dr. King do you?

Well, we know that whatever he was doing in his personal life, he didn't write lyrics and rap about it.

+1.

If we are going to revisit the past and get rid of impure leaders (such as Wilson), I call for dropping MLK day, and renaming his Memorial, immediately. Rewarding an adulterer is an insult to every married and loyal adult, and to our kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Black people are not allowed to protest police brutality because many of them are poor and many blacks kill other blacks."

I'm sorry I just don't get the rationale.

No one is saying that they shouldnt protest but the reality is the people involved had criminal pasts or the officers had mental issues. Also the number of black on black crime is more and both are serious issues although the other is ignored more.

So you think issues of crime and violence are ignored in predominately black communities and they should focus their dissent on those issues instead of on police brutality. Ehhh...kind of makes sense but it raises two questions in my mind.

#1 - what makes you think crime and violence are ignored?
I don't want to be presumptuous but I have my doubts that you are familiar with the outcries of predominantly black communities and the outreach attempts of the various churches, community organizations, and families who proactively put forth a great deal of effort to stop the violence in their neighborhoods. When you say "ignored" I think you're misconstruing the little to no media coverage of their efforts as indicative of little to no actual concern and action in these communities.

#2 - what does the criminal past of someone have to do with them being denied equal treatment under the law?
Again I don't want to be presumptuous but it sounds like you're suggesting that black criminals are not citizens of this country and not even human for that matter, and that's disturbing. I know you don't feel that way but it sounds like you're justifying just opening fire on blacks and just killing them on sight without due process and without any respect for their rights because they broke the law or because they are a perceived threat and that's just wrong. That mentality is what leads to 12 year-old's getting gunned down on playgrounds for holding a toy gun.

#1 I said it was ignored more meaning that less attention is paid to it. I lived in a majority black community for years and know the efforts put in by locals but the problem with most of it was that kids or young people involved in those drug or crime activities didnt have much parent supervision, guidance, single mom households, and the problem persisted.

2# its well known that most of the victims in the media sensation stories were thugs and also all officers can react the same way if they feel their life is in danger, even if they are black or white but that is due to lack of proper training I believe. For example, in florida a black cop went to the home of a latino family then the girl went in her home left the door open and out ran her little dog which the officer immediately shot to death. Lack of proper training and dumb moves.

Well, first of all, I would suggest you reconsider your choice of words then seeing how ignore (definition: refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally) is not a synonym for "pay less attention to".
Second of all, you still haven't explained why you think its okay for police officers to ignore (as in disregard intentionally) the protocol regarding "appropriate use of force" when mitigating an incident, making an arrest, or protecting themselves or others from harm. The last time I checked being a thug doesn't excuse someone from due process nor does being a thug in and of itself warrant officers to outright murder unarmed civilians as opposed to using non-lethal means to detain or apprehend a suspect. Once again I don't mean to be presumptuous but it still sounds like you're advocating killing people without just cause because they're perceived as "inferior" and that attitude is indeed something that demands protest.

Uhh hence why I said "ignored MORE" not completely ignored. If you ignore a bigger issue more than another issue that mostly has to do with proper training then you arent paying attention to the bigger issue as much as you should.

I didnt say it was okay for officers to not use proper protocol. What are you talking about? I just said that they arent and of course they should be! Lol stop with the crazy talk about advocating killing people but if the thugs killed or hurt people should the officer defend himself? There are lots of stories where officers didnt do anything and the thug ended up killing them. There was a story about a black thug who shot down a hispanic rookie cop and then bragged about it before he was caught. It didnt make big news though I wonder why?

So if you're not saying its okay for officers to not use proper protocol when mitigating an incident, making an arrest, or protecting themselves or others from harm then what exactly are you saying...that it's excusable because thugs exist in this world?
Yeah cops shouldn't have just pulled up to the scene and jumped out of their squad car and started firing multiple rounds at a 12 year-old kid but its excusable because one time there was this thug who shot down a Hispanic rookie cop..."
That doesn't make much sense.
Look, we all know that being a police officer is a stressful occupation as the work often involves daily contact with drunks, the mentally disabled and violent criminals in difficult situations and the threat of injury is a constant one. Yet and still, just because there is stress and danger associated with police work that doesn't give officers free reign to ignore (as in disregard intentionally) professionalism and protocol. If anything police work demands the utmost professionalism and the strictest application of proper protocol when dealing with the general public and exercising deadly force - but instead predominantly when it comes to policing black communities we see the exact opposite. Instead we see even more gross negligence of people's rights, we see even more blatant acts of overaggressive policing, and we see even more instances of law enforcement simply shrugging their shoulders after the fact when officers wave the "I was scared" flag and absolve themselves of culpability whenever they (Oops!!) kill an unarmed civilian. In a predominantly white community such gross negligence and improper protocol and blatant misuse of force would not be tolerated and officers would see their asses fired, sued, and imprisoned left and right - but in black communities across the country this stuff goes on and nothing happens. It took over a year for charges to be filed against the officer in Chicago and that was only because a judge FORCED the video to be released. It's been over a year and the officer who shot and killed 12 year-old Tamir Rice hasn't been charged. Nothing happens to these officers. Their free to fire at will and take the lives of unarmed civilians and use lethal force when it isn't even necessary and then they get right back on the beat with no repercussions, given a free pass to do it again. It demands protest.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the difference:

Of course violent crime is horrible, and of course blacks hate being victimized by criminals - but, one expects criminals to be criminals.

But when cops are the ones engaging in criminal behavior, it's not only the crime that's horrible, it's the betrayal as well that makes it even worse - that the people who are supposed to be protecting you are the ones victimizing you.

And the fact that the number of black on black deaths exceeds by many times the number of those from police misconduct/brutality makes no difference?

You shouldn't be shot and killed by your own government.

No, but you should also - as a parent - be responsible for your own kids. When parents lose control of their kids, the government takes over - social services or jail. That's the way it goes, folks.

Of course, we can say that poverty is the root of all evil. But again, with social programs (WIC, Medicaid, Job Corps, migrant training, you name it), why do people stay within victim mode?

We've basically fucked ourselves by ignoring how to wean people off programs.

The answer isn't more government. Instead, we need more transition services. Furthermore, mandate sensitivity training for police.

But most importantly? Parents NEED to be parents. I don't care how goddamn poor you are. Your kids come first. There are more than a few success stories out there of people overcoming the odds.

Wean people off programs onto WHAT, exactly? Transition services to transition them to WHAT, exactly?

When employers aren't paying a living wage, how do you propose weaning anyone when they can't afford to feed themselves or put a roof over their heads on the paltry wages being paid? When employers slash benefits left and right, how do you propose weaning anyone off of government benefits? When corporations offshore American jobs just so that the CEO can make more profit for himself and his other rich buddies, how do you propose weaning anyone when the jobs aren't there? When massive amounts of wealth are being extracted by the rich rather than going into circulation, causing economic growth to stagnate, how do you propose weaning anyone?

I'm all for weaning people off of governmetn programs but right now our culture of selfishness and corporate greed makes it very very difficult to do so. It wouldn't be a weaning, it would be cutting people off and abandoning them altogether.

Well, let's see. First of all, many of the kids living in poverty never graduate - or if they do, they graduate barely literate. Some end up pregnant. Others join gangs. So of course, these kids will continue the cycle. Blame the schools (b/c that's all people do). Blame "society." Blame Big Business.

Blame
Blame
Blame

That's all we do.

But there are avenues for these kids. If they applied themselves, they could learn a trade. They could earn scholarships. They could graduate!! There are so many services/partnerships at schools now that schools have become social programs. So there's no sense in placing blame when these opportunities are there for the taking.

That's called prevention - proactive measures. And with these successfully in place, there is no need to "wean" adults off the

So if parents are neglecting their kids - b/c they're either lazy assholes or working their asses off - then we try to catch the kids in school. However, b/c many are so hardened - so tainted and angry - we must involve school psychologists, social workers, counselors and gang outreach mentors. But people are unwilling to put their money where their mouths are - choosing instead to be reactive by rounding up these kids and jailing them. . . . b/c that's where many end up

We've got to accept that schools in areas of high poverty are no longer just institutions of learning. They're "restaurants," counseling centers, and sometimes "mini jails." But when parents can't parent for whatever reason, the government has to step in. And we can be proactive or reactive.

That's the truth.

In your "truth" you COMPLETELY FAILED to address even one single fact or point raised above: Of jobs being offshored, of the ones that aren't being offshored not paying a living wage or providing any benefits, of the massive wealth extraction that is hurting our economy, of our culture of greed, resulting in an environment where there's nothing there for the poor to be transitioned to.

well, let's see . . .

If kids graduated with SKILLS, we wouldn't have jobs for the "poor and ignorant" being shipped overseas.

a reactive type, eh? You just proved my point.

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Anonymous wrote:In your "truth" you blame poor people for the shitty schools, not acknowledging the poor people have little control or say over the quality of their shitty schools. You fail to acknowledge the lack of community engagment and interventions to deal with the lack of parenting, which you fail to acknowledge comes from the fact that dad is in jail for being busted with weed, and that mom dropped out of school because she got knocked up because she didn't have access to contraceptives, and that this is a cycle that has continued for multiple generations, and they don't know what "normal" is even supposed to be.

So if I have cancer, I should just give up. That's your attitude. I should just blame the chemicals in the food - and just give up. Why look beyond when I can blame the chemicals in the food?

Why rely on experts to help me when I can sit back and become cancer's victim.

Even in the crappiest of schools there are people willing to mentor, willing to teach, willing to go above and beyond the call of duty.

But why bother with those mentors when I could just sit back and blame the system for crapping on me?

The SHITTIEST schools in the States are better than many schools outside of this country - and yet people somehow make it . . . with fewer resources.