BLM protests shuts down the Magnificent Mile in Chicago

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In your "truth" you blame poor people for the shitty schools, not acknowledging the poor people have little control or say over the quality of their shitty schools. You fail to acknowledge the lack of community engagment and interventions to deal with the lack of parenting, which you fail to acknowledge comes from the fact that dad is in jail for being busted with weed, and that mom dropped out of school because she got knocked up because she didn't have access to contraceptives, and that this is a cycle that has continued for multiple generations, and they don't know what "normal" is even supposed to be.

NP here.
If this were all true, then nobody would ever make it out of poverty.
But, many do.
What is the difference? Why are some born into poverty successful later in life and others are not?
Could it be..... PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?

"Many" don't get out. Very few do. It's a self-perpetuating trap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In your "truth" you blame poor people for the shitty schools, not acknowledging the poor people have little control or say over the quality of their shitty schools. You fail to acknowledge the lack of community engagment and interventions to deal with the lack of parenting, which you fail to acknowledge comes from the fact that dad is in jail for being busted with weed, and that mom dropped out of school because she got knocked up because she didn't have access to contraceptives, and that this is a cycle that has continued for multiple generations, and they don't know what "normal" is even supposed to be.

NP here.
If this were all true, then nobody would ever make it out of poverty.
But, many do.
What is the difference? Why are some born into poverty successful later in life and others are not?
Could it be..... PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?

Personal responsibility is necessary but not sufficient.

[Anonymous]

Personal responsibility is necessary but not sufficient.

That may be true--but, one thing for sure, you will not get out of poverty while you do not have personal responsibility. I guess you might win the lottery--but, other than that, you must work to get out of poverty. Uncle Sam cannot do it for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Black people are not allowed to protest police brutality because many of them are poor and many blacks kill other blacks."

I'm sorry I just don't get the rationale.

No one is saying that they shouldnt protest but the reality is the people involved had criminal pasts or the officers had mental issues. Also the number of black on black crime is more and both are serious issues although the other is ignored more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, understandable outrage over the shooting of another African-American by a cop.

But guess what BLM completely ignores: the carnage that African-Americans are inflicting on each other!

From the Chicago Tribune:

So far this year, Chicago has seen at least 2,703 people shot, about 400 more than during the same period last year, according to a Chicago Tribune analysis of shootings data collected over the last two years. Through Monday morning, homicides have risen to at least 440, up from 397 a year earlier, according to Tribune data on city homicides.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20151123-story.html

There is something very awry when this sort of slaughter of AAs occurs and BLM does not have a peep to say about the lives being taken. Do BLM only when those lives are being taken by cops or does it extend to the thousands more who are being murdered by other blacks?

How often do you hear liberals - who are espousing the BLM movement - addressing the thousands of lives being taken by other than cops?

Amen.

But it's the drama queens and the rappers, not the responsible pastors and churchgoers, who've taken over black leadership in America.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one is ignoring the black on black crime. neither is right.

So where are the protests over the black on black crimes?

People have been talking about it forever. How old are you? Stop trying to deflect from an important issue.

B-S!

Where are the protests? Where are the liberal voices being raised at the senseless violence?

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? Don't you know how the media works? It carries the story of the day, and right now that's BLM. But a decades-ENDURING story has been urban crime.

Yes, seriously ....... you have a problem. What I am saying is that BLM that is going nuts over the unwarranted shooting of an individual in Chicago by a cop, but is unconcerned about the unwarranted killing of thousands of blacks.

And you don't see anything wrong with this? You do realize that protests on this issue could also provide the media attention that you mention.

Really? I remember protests galore when I worked at Baltimore City Jail in the 90s, and never saw much media coverage of them. And sermons in AA churches. And the Nation of Islam offering to patrol housing projects, unarmed, for free. The fact YOU don't hear about it is one of a million symptoms of institutional racism. Recently, however, social media and the internet have helped issues that the majority of this country don't care about actually be heard. And I, for one, am truly glad.

+1. Plus, there was a march in Chicago about 2 weeks ago through the neighborhood where the 9YO was shot. AND there is movie coming out this week dramtizing some of the crime issues the have in Chicago. I have saod this before, but people who start these types of posts do not give a flying fuck about crime in Chicago or anyone else. They just want to criticize BLM.

[Anonymous]

Glad that Jesse Jackson was able to claim yet another moment in the spotlight. I'm sure that he'd be happy to direct the BLM protesters away from those businesses that express their willingness to "contribute to the community." Is his ex-congressman son out of the slammer yet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, understandable outrage over the shooting of another African-American by a cop.

But guess what BLM completely ignores: the carnage that African-Americans are inflicting on each other!

From the Chicago Tribune:

So far this year, Chicago has seen at least 2,703 people shot, about 400 more than during the same period last year, according to a Chicago Tribune analysis of shootings data collected over the last two years. Through Monday morning, homicides have risen to at least 440, up from 397 a year earlier, according to Tribune data on city homicides.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20151123-story.html

There is something very awry when this sort of slaughter of AAs occurs and BLM does not have a peep to say about the lives being taken. Do BLM only when those lives are being taken by cops or does it extend to the thousands more who are being murdered by other blacks?

How often do you hear liberals - who are espousing the BLM movement - addressing the thousands of lives being taken by other than cops?

Amen.

But it's the drama queens and the rappers, not the responsible pastors and churchgoers, who've taken over black leadership in America.

And instead of the soaring, loving language of Dr. King, we have the violence-celebrating and hate-stoking lyrics of the rappers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The videotape of the cop shooting the suspect is upsetting and I trust the prosecutors to know their job in indicating him. That said, didn't the suspect brandish a knife at the police and then walk away? I thought that was one of the situations where the use of deadly force to stop a fleeing suspect is justified. I'm not saying that would have been the most appropriate course here, but as a legal matter can't the police use force to stop someone who threatens them with a weapon?

I think the issue is that there were numerous officers at the scene trying to diffuse the situation and ONE fired. When attempting to reload - he was topeed by another officer. AND during the investigation, other officers reported that they thought 16 shots was excessive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The videotape of the cop shooting the suspect is upsetting and I trust the prosecutors to know their job in indicating him. That said, didn't the suspect brandish a knife at the police and then walk away? I thought that was one of the situations where the use of deadly force to stop a fleeing suspect is justified. I'm not saying that would have been the most appropriate course here, but as a legal matter can't the police use force to stop someone who threatens them with a weapon?

I think the issue is that there were numerous officers at the scene trying to diffuse the situation and ONE fired. When attempting to reload - he was topeed by another officer. AND during the investigation, other officers reported that they thought 16 shots was excessive.

Wow. He was attempting to reload after firing 16 shots at a suspect who was already on the ground? This must be one disturbed, pissed-off cop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Black people are not allowed to protest police brutality because many of them are poor and many blacks kill other blacks."

I'm sorry I just don't get the rationale.

No one is saying that they shouldnt protest but the reality is the people involved had criminal pasts or the officers had mental issues. Also the number of black on black crime is more and both are serious issues although the other is ignored more.

So you think issues of crime and violence are ignored in predominately black communities and they should focus their dissent on those issues instead of on police brutality. Ehhh...kind of makes sense but it raises two questions in my mind.

#1 - what makes you think crime and violence are ignored?
I don't want to be presumptuous but I have my doubts that you are familiar with the outcries of predominantly black communities and the outreach attempts of the various churches, community organizations, and families who proactively put forth a great deal of effort to stop the violence in their neighborhoods. When you say "ignored" I think you're misconstruing the little to no media coverage of their efforts as indicative of little to no actual concern and action in these communities.

#2 - what does the criminal past of someone have to do with them being denied equal treatment under the law?
Again I don't want to be presumptuous but it sounds like you're suggesting that black criminals are not citizens of this country and not even human for that matter, and that's disturbing. I know you don't feel that way but it sounds like you're justifying just opening fire on blacks and just killing them on sight without due process and without any respect for their rights because they broke the law or because they are a perceived threat and that's just wrong. That mentality is what leads to 12 year-old's getting gunned down on playgrounds for holding a toy gun.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is ignoring the black on black crime. neither is right.

So where are the protests over the black on black crimes?

You are a fool and clearly don't read. The last time they marched and shut down the magnificent mile, was over black on black crime. Didn't know that did you?

Resorting to name calling does not respond to the basic issue!

Can you really compare the token demonstrations that have taken place against black on black violence with what BLM is doing to protest violence by law enforcement?

In the case of Chicago, these demonstrations should be taking place in the heart of the South side where the decimation of young blacks is occurring. But that will not happen, will it?

Police execution of black men and women is a country wide issue not one just in Chicago. Them not protesting some other issue doesn't make their issue non valid. I recall a big push for gun control in the 90's by black leaders and poloticians that was always shot down and ignored, because people like u thought it was an excuse remember the popular phrase "guns don't kill blacks, blacks do", so even the constant protest to end inner city crime falls on death ears.

The police need to be better trained. And more inner city young black men need to pull their pants up, buckle down and obey the laws.

Who are these thugs u keep talking about? Church drummer in Florida ? Sandra bland? tamir rice? Treyvon martin? Like I said before Dylan roof executed 9 people in a church and got a trip to burger king when he was arrexted . so what if a kid walks with sagging pants unless he voilatecd a dency law no rules have been broking and he should notg be shot down by the police

I see you didn't mention Michael Brown in Ferguson, who knocked over a convenience store. While any death is a tragedy, more sensible people have abandoned any notion that Mr. Brown was some kind of hero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, understandable outrage over the shooting of another African-American by a cop.

But guess what BLM completely ignores: the carnage that African-Americans are inflicting on each other!

From the Chicago Tribune:

So far this year, Chicago has seen at least 2,703 people shot, about 400 more than during the same period last year, according to a Chicago Tribune analysis of shootings data collected over the last two years. Through Monday morning, homicides have risen to at least 440, up from 397 a year earlier, according to Tribune data on city homicides.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20151123-story.html

There is something very awry when this sort of slaughter of AAs occurs and BLM does not have a peep to say about the lives being taken. Do BLM only when those lives are being taken by cops or does it extend to the thousands more who are being murdered by other blacks?

How often do you hear liberals - who are espousing the BLM movement - addressing the thousands of lives being taken by other than cops?

Amen.

But it's the drama queens and the rappers, not the responsible pastors and churchgoers, who've taken over black leadership in America.

And instead of the soaring, loving language of Dr. King, we have the violence-celebrating and hate-stoking lyrics of the rappers.

Don't know much about Dr. King do you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is ignoring the black on black crime. neither is right.

So where are the protests over the black on black crimes?

You are a fool and clearly don't read. The last time they marched and shut down the magnificent mile, was over black on black crime. Didn't know that did you?

Resorting to name calling does not respond to the basic issue!

Can you really compare the token demonstrations that have taken place against black on black violence with what BLM is doing to protest violence by law enforcement?

In the case of Chicago, these demonstrations should be taking place in the heart of the South side where the decimation of young blacks is occurring. But that will not happen, will it?

Police execution of black men and women is a country wide issue not one just in Chicago. Them not protesting some other issue doesn't make their issue non valid. I recall a big push for gun control in the 90's by black leaders and poloticians that was always shot down and ignored, because people like u thought it was an excuse remember the popular phrase "guns don't kill blacks, blacks do", so even the constant protest to end inner city crime falls on death ears.

The police need to be better trained. And more inner city young black men need to pull their pants up, buckle down and obey the laws.

Who are these thugs u keep talking about? Church drummer in Florida ? Sandra bland? tamir rice? Treyvon martin? Like I said before Dylan roof executed 9 people in a church and got a trip to burger king when he was arrexted . so what if a kid walks with sagging pants unless he voilatecd a dency law no rules have been broking and he should notg be shot down by the police

I see you didn't mention Michael Brown in Ferguson, who knocked over a convenience store. While any death is a tragedy, more sensible people have abandoned any notion that Mr. Brown was some kind of hero.

Well, the police have given us plenty of better examples SINCE THEN!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Black people are not allowed to protest police brutality because many of them are poor and many blacks kill other blacks."

I'm sorry I just don't get the rationale.

No one is saying that they shouldnt protest but the reality is the people involved had criminal pasts or the officers had mental issues. Also the number of black on black crime is more and both are serious issues although the other is ignored more.

So you think issues of crime and violence are ignored in predominately black communities and they should focus their dissent on those issues instead of on police brutality. Ehhh...kind of makes sense but it raises two questions in my mind.

#1 - what makes you think crime and violence are ignored?
I don't want to be presumptuous but I have my doubts that you are familiar with the outcries of predominantly black communities and the outreach attempts of the various churches, community organizations, and families who proactively put forth a great deal of effort to stop the violence in their neighborhoods. When you say "ignored" I think you're misconstruing the little to no media coverage of their efforts as indicative of little to no actual concern and action in these communities.

#2 - what does the criminal past of someone have to do with them being denied equal treatment under the law?
Again I don't want to be presumptuous but it sounds like you're suggesting that black criminals are not citizens of this country and not even human for that matter, and that's disturbing. I know you don't feel that way but it sounds like you're justifying just opening fire on blacks and just killing them on sight without due process and without any respect for their rights because they broke the law or because they are a perceived threat and that's just wrong. That mentality is what leads to 12 year-old's getting gunned down on playgrounds for holding a toy gun.

...in an "open carry" jurisdiction no less. People do not seem to get that police are law enforcement, they are NOT the judge and jury. Citizens, even criminals, have the right to be charged, prosecuted and tried. Execution is the street is not a component of a civilized country.

Everything else you said is "spot on."