BLM protests shuts down the Magnificent Mile in Chicago

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The police need to be better trained. And more inner city young black men need to pull their pants up, buckle down and obey the laws.

That may be true, but don't you think that of those two, the party that is paid by your tax money and entrusted with the protection of our society be held to a higher standard?

It is a matter of careful hiring and training -- and disciplining and prosecuting bad cops. But it's naive to think that racial profiling won't go on when individuals in a demographic group that comprises something like 1% of the nation's population, namely young black males between the ages of 18-32, commit over 50 % of violent crimes, perhaps over 80% in certain cities (DC maybe 95%+).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The police need to be better trained. And more inner city young black men need to pull their pants up, buckle down and obey the laws.

That may be true, but don't you think that of those two, the party that is paid by your tax money and entrusted with the protection of our society be held to a higher standard?

It is a matter of careful hiring and training -- and disciplining and prosecuting bad cops. But it's naive to think that racial profiling won't go on when individuals in a demographic group that comprises something like 1% of the nation's population, namely young black males between the ages of 18-32, commit over 50 % of violent crimes, perhaps over 80% in certain cities (DC maybe 95%+).

And yet DC manages to rarely have any cases of cop brutality or killing of unarmed suspects even in a city that's majority black....isn't that interesting? Only riot we ever had by blacks was in 1968 when king was asdasinated ....that's not by accident. Also read Malcolm gladwell book oin the NYC historic crime drop and how local police cleaned up neighborhoods. Its never a bunch of people commiiting crimes its always the same few repeat offenders, but lazy policing targets the whole neighborhood. There has been 18 mass shootings in 2015 all done by white males I've yet to see white men racially profiled

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Conspiracy theory...how and when? Please Google the Contra arms DEALS. Regan administration turned its back while his "friends" used the crack cocaine industry as a way to fund the Contra's in their fight against the "communist' rebels. White people like you are the problem. You know these things happen then deny them afterwards, and act as if blacks are just violent and drug users. I grew up in DC during the 80's and 90's and Know what I saw

Could you please point me to a credible site that discusses your point? I haven't found one. I'm not being snarky; I'm genuinely interested in reading some credible, factual support of your perspective.

If u need more reliable sources here is 60 minutes. A federal judge actually caught the CIA bringing in cocaine

http://youtu.be/z8Do1e-eCOk

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Conspiracy theory...how and when? Please Google the Contra arms DEALS. Regan administration turned its back while his "friends" used the crack cocaine industry as a way to fund the Contra's in their fight against the "communist' rebels. White people like you are the problem. You know these things happen then deny them afterwards, and act as if blacks are just violent and drug users. I grew up in DC during the 80's and 90's and Know what I saw

Could you please point me to a credible site that discusses your point? I haven't found one. I'm not being snarky; I'm genuinely interested in reading some credible, factual support of your perspective.

Montel Williams did a whole show on this. Beyond excellent. It happened for sure the only question is what the feds knew about it

http://youtu.be/jx9G4zmpKv0

sorry wrong episode here is the actual video.
http://youtu.be/LG8XNFPBPUs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is ignoring the black on black crime. neither is right.

So where are the protests over the black on black crimes?

You are a fool and clearly don't read. The last time they marched and shut down the magnificent mile, was over black on black crime. Didn't know that did you?

Resorting to name calling does not respond to the basic issue!

Can you really compare the token demonstrations that have taken place against black on black violence with what BLM is doing to protest violence by law enforcement?

In the case of Chicago, these demonstrations should be taking place in the heart of the South side where the decimation of young blacks is occurring. But that will not happen, will it?

Token? I don't think the people involved or those shoppers who couldn't get to their shops thought it was token. Just because you didn't hear about it, which the media never talks about the despair black people have over black on black crime, doesn't mean it's not happening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the difference:

Of course violent crime is horrible, and of course blacks hate being victimized by criminals - but, one expects criminals to be criminals.

But when cops are the ones engaging in criminal behavior, it's not only the crime that's horrible, it's the betrayal as well that makes it even worse - that the people who are supposed to be protecting you are the ones victimizing you.

And the fact that the number of black on black deaths exceeds by many times the number of those from police misconduct/brutality makes no difference?

You shouldn't be shot and killed by your own government.

No, but you should also - as a parent - be responsible for your own kids. When parents lose control of their kids, the government takes over - social services or jail. That's the way it goes, folks.

Of course, we can say that poverty is the root of all evil. But again, with social programs (WIC, Medicaid, Job Corps, migrant training, you name it), why do people stay within victim mode?

We've basically fucked ourselves by ignoring how to wean people off programs.

The answer isn't more government. Instead, we need more transition services. Furthermore, mandate sensitivity training for police.

But most importantly? Parents NEED to be parents. I don't care how goddamn poor you are. Your kids come first. There are more than a few success stories out there of people overcoming the odds.

Wean people off programs onto WHAT, exactly? Transition services to transition them to WHAT, exactly?

When employers aren't paying a living wage, how do you propose weaning anyone when they can't afford to feed themselves or put a roof over their heads on the paltry wages being paid? When employers slash benefits left and right, how do you propose weaning anyone off of government benefits? When corporations offshore American jobs just so that the CEO can make more profit for himself and his other rich buddies, how do you propose weaning anyone when the jobs aren't there? When massive amounts of wealth are being extracted by the rich rather than going into circulation, causing economic growth to stagnate, how do you propose weaning anyone?

I'm all for weaning people off of governmetn programs but right now our culture of selfishness and corporate greed makes it very very difficult to do so. It wouldn't be a weaning, it would be cutting people off and abandoning them altogether.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the difference:

Of course violent crime is horrible, and of course blacks hate being victimized by criminals - but, one expects criminals to be criminals.

But when cops are the ones engaging in criminal behavior, it's not only the crime that's horrible, it's the betrayal as well that makes it even worse - that the people who are supposed to be protecting you are the ones victimizing you.

And the fact that the number of black on black deaths exceeds by many times the number of those from police misconduct/brutality makes no difference?

You shouldn't be shot and killed by your own government.

No, but you should also - as a parent - be responsible for your own kids. When parents lose control of their kids, the government takes over - social services or jail. That's the way it goes, folks.

Of course, we can say that poverty is the root of all evil. But again, with social programs (WIC, Medicaid, Job Corps, migrant training, you name it), why do people stay within victim mode?

We've basically fucked ourselves by ignoring how to wean people off programs.

The answer isn't more government. Instead, we need more transition services. Furthermore, mandate sensitivity training for police.

But most importantly? Parents NEED to be parents. I don't care how goddamn poor you are. Your kids come first. There are more than a few success stories out there of people overcoming the odds.

Great, parents need to step up. But the government is answerable to us. When the government shoots us with impunity, that is a threat to freedom itself and the people have the power to respond.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, understandable outrage over the shooting of another African-American by a cop.

But guess what BLM completely ignores: the carnage that African-Americans are inflicting on each other!

From the Chicago Tribune:o

So far this year, Chicago has seen at least 2,703 people shot, about 400 more than during the same period last year, according to a Chicago Tribune analysis of shootings data collected over the last two years. Through Monday morning, homicides have risen to at least 440, up from 397 a year earlier, according to Tribune data on city homicides.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20151123-story.html

There is something very awry when this sort of slaughter of AAs occurs and BLM does not have a peep to say about the lives being taken. Do BLM only when those lives are being taken by cops or does it extend to the thousands more who are being murdered by other blacks?

How often do you hear liberals - who are espousing the BLM movement - addressing the thousands of lives being taken by other than cops?

Apply a little logic here.

Yes, black on black violence is a problem.

Yes, Chicago crime and violence is a problem.

BUT...

Cop abuse of blacks and poor people is also a problem.

Pointing out black on black crime or violence in Chicago does not magically solve abusive behavior by police.

Both are problems but black on black crime is taking more life at an alarming rate so where is the uproar, solutions, recognition and protest of that issue? There is huge worry about middle easterns killing their own because of religon in syria and a ton of attention about it but how about the huge american issue of black on black crime?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the difference:

Of course violent crime is horrible, and of course blacks hate being victimized by criminals - but, one expects criminals to be criminals.

But when cops are the ones engaging in criminal behavior, it's not only the crime that's horrible, it's the betrayal as well that makes it even worse - that the people who are supposed to be protecting you are the ones victimizing you.

And the fact that the number of black on black deaths exceeds by many times the number of those from police misconduct/brutality makes no difference?

You shouldn't be shot and killed by your own government.

No, but you should also - as a parent - be responsible for your own kids. When parents lose control of their kids, the government takes over - social services or jail. That's the way it goes, folks.

Of course, we can say that poverty is the root of all evil. But again, with social programs (WIC, Medicaid, Job Corps, migrant training, you name it), why do people stay within victim mode?

We've basically fucked ourselves by ignoring how to wean people off programs.

The answer isn't more government. Instead, we need more transition services. Furthermore, mandate sensitivity training for police.

But most importantly? Parents NEED to be parents. I don't care how goddamn poor you are. Your kids come first. There are more than a few success stories out there of people overcoming the odds.

Wean people off programs onto WHAT, exactly? Transition services to transition them to WHAT, exactly?

When employers aren't paying a living wage, how do you propose weaning anyone when they can't afford to feed themselves or put a roof over their heads on the paltry wages being paid? When employers slash benefits left and right, how do you propose weaning anyone off of government benefits? When corporations offshore American jobs just so that the CEO can make more profit for himself and his other rich buddies, how do you propose weaning anyone when the jobs aren't there? When massive amounts of wealth are being extracted by the rich rather than going into circulation, causing economic growth to stagnate, how do you propose weaning anyone?

I'm all for weaning people off of governmetn programs but right now our culture of selfishness and corporate greed makes it very very difficult to do so. It wouldn't be a weaning, it would be cutting people off and abandoning them altogether.

Well, let's see. First of all, many of the kids living in poverty never graduate - or if they do, they graduate barely literate. Some end up pregnant. Others join gangs. So of course, these kids will continue the cycle. Blame the schools (b/c that's all people do). Blame "society." Blame Big Business.

Blame
Blame
Blame

That's all we do.

But there are avenues for these kids. If they applied themselves, they could learn a trade. They could earn scholarships. They could graduate!! There are so many services/partnerships at schools now that schools have become social programs. So there's no sense in placing blame when these opportunities are there for the taking.

That's called prevention - proactive measures. And with these successfully in place, there is no need to "wean" adults off the

So if parents are neglecting their kids - b/c they're either lazy assholes or working their asses off - then we try to catch the kids in school. However, b/c many are so hardened - so tainted and angry - we must involve school psychologists, social workers, counselors and gang outreach mentors. But people are unwilling to put their money where their mouths are - choosing instead to be reactive by rounding up these kids and jailing them. . . . b/c that's where many end up

We've got to accept that schools in areas of high poverty are no longer just institutions of learning. They're "restaurants," counseling centers, and sometimes "mini jails." But when parents can't parent for whatever reason, the government has to step in. And we can be proactive or reactive.

That's the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, understandable outrage over the shooting of another African-American by a cop.

But guess what BLM completely ignores: the carnage that African-Americans are inflicting on each other!

From the Chicago Tribune:o

So far this year, Chicago has seen at least 2,703 people shot, about 400 more than during the same period last year, according to a Chicago Tribune analysis of shootings data collected over the last two years. Through Monday morning, homicides have risen to at least 440, up from 397 a year earlier, according to Tribune data on city homicides.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-shootings-violence-20151123-story.html

There is something very awry when this sort of slaughter of AAs occurs and BLM does not have a peep to say about the lives being taken. Do BLM only when those lives are being taken by cops or does it extend to the thousands more who are being murdered by other blacks?

How often do you hear liberals - who are espousing the BLM movement - addressing the thousands of lives being taken by other than cops?

Apply a little logic here.

Yes, black on black violence is a problem.

Yes, Chicago crime and violence is a problem.

BUT...

Cop abuse of blacks and poor people is also a problem.

Pointing out black on black crime or violence in Chicago does not magically solve abusive behavior by police.

Both are problems but black on black crime is taking more life at an alarming rate so where is the uproar, solutions, recognition and protest of that issue? There is huge worry about middle easterns killing their own because of religon in syria and a ton of attention about it but how about the huge american issue of black on black crime?

Black-on-black crime isn't new, nor is it on any alarming increase. It was there all along. What's new is that it is being trotted out as an excuse in order to deflect away from the police abuse issue that's being raised. Black-on-black crime was there all along, just nobody gave a damn about it before the issue was pushed.

Similar to how people suddenly jump up and say "what about homeless veterans" when the Syrian refugee issue was raised - yet they weren't doing a damned thing to help homeless veterans prior to the Syrian refugee issue being raised.

Very transparent and disingenuous tactic.

Except, your problem now is that you don't actually get to ignore it anymore, since you are now bringing it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the difference:

Of course violent crime is horrible, and of course blacks hate being victimized by criminals - but, one expects criminals to be criminals.

But when cops are the ones engaging in criminal behavior, it's not only the crime that's horrible, it's the betrayal as well that makes it even worse - that the people who are supposed to be protecting you are the ones victimizing you.

And the fact that the number of black on black deaths exceeds by many times the number of those from police misconduct/brutality makes no difference?

You shouldn't be shot and killed by your own government.

No, but you should also - as a parent - be responsible for your own kids. When parents lose control of their kids, the government takes over - social services or jail. That's the way it goes, folks.

Of course, we can say that poverty is the root of all evil. But again, with social programs (WIC, Medicaid, Job Corps, migrant training, you name it), why do people stay within victim mode?

We've basically fucked ourselves by ignoring how to wean people off programs.

The answer isn't more government. Instead, we need more transition services. Furthermore, mandate sensitivity training for police.

But most importantly? Parents NEED to be parents. I don't care how goddamn poor you are. Your kids come first. There are more than a few success stories out there of people overcoming the odds.

Wean people off programs onto WHAT, exactly? Transition services to transition them to WHAT, exactly?

When employers aren't paying a living wage, how do you propose weaning anyone when they can't afford to feed themselves or put a roof over their heads on the paltry wages being paid? When employers slash benefits left and right, how do you propose weaning anyone off of government benefits? When corporations offshore American jobs just so that the CEO can make more profit for himself and his other rich buddies, how do you propose weaning anyone when the jobs aren't there? When massive amounts of wealth are being extracted by the rich rather than going into circulation, causing economic growth to stagnate, how do you propose weaning anyone?

I'm all for weaning people off of governmetn programs but right now our culture of selfishness and corporate greed makes it very very difficult to do so. It wouldn't be a weaning, it would be cutting people off and abandoning them altogether.

Well, let's see. First of all, many of the kids living in poverty never graduate - or if they do, they graduate barely literate. Some end up pregnant. Others join gangs. So of course, these kids will continue the cycle. Blame the schools (b/c that's all people do). Blame "society." Blame Big Business.

Blame
Blame
Blame

That's all we do.

But there are avenues for these kids. If they applied themselves, they could learn a trade. They could earn scholarships. They could graduate!! There are so many services/partnerships at schools now that schools have become social programs. So there's no sense in placing blame when these opportunities are there for the taking.

That's called prevention - proactive measures. And with these successfully in place, there is no need to "wean" adults off the

So if parents are neglecting their kids - b/c they're either lazy assholes or working their asses off - then we try to catch the kids in school. However, b/c many are so hardened - so tainted and angry - we must involve school psychologists, social workers, counselors and gang outreach mentors. But people are unwilling to put their money where their mouths are - choosing instead to be reactive by rounding up these kids and jailing them. . . . b/c that's where many end up

We've got to accept that schools in areas of high poverty are no longer just institutions of learning. They're "restaurants," counseling centers, and sometimes "mini jails." But when parents can't parent for whatever reason, the government has to step in. And we can be proactive or reactive.

That's the truth.

In your "truth" you COMPLETELY FAILED to address even one single fact or point raised above: Of jobs being offshored, of the ones that aren't being offshored not paying a living wage or providing any benefits, of the massive wealth extraction that is hurting our economy, of our culture of greed, resulting in an environment where there's nothing there for the poor to be transitioned to.

[Anonymous]

In your "truth" you blame poor people for the shitty schools, not acknowledging the poor people have little control or say over the quality of their shitty schools. You fail to acknowledge the lack of community engagment and interventions to deal with the lack of parenting, which you fail to acknowledge comes from the fact that dad is in jail for being busted with weed, and that mom dropped out of school because she got knocked up because she didn't have access to contraceptives, and that this is a cycle that has continued for multiple generations, and they don't know what "normal" is even supposed to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In your "truth" you blame poor people for the shitty schools, not acknowledging the poor people have little control or say over the quality of their shitty schools. You fail to acknowledge the lack of community engagment and interventions to deal with the lack of parenting, which you fail to acknowledge comes from the fact that dad is in jail for being busted with weed, and that mom dropped out of school because she got knocked up because she didn't have access to contraceptives, and that this is a cycle that has continued for multiple generations, and they don't know what "normal" is even supposed to be.

NP here.
If this were all true, then nobody would ever make it out of poverty.
But, many do.
What is the difference? Why are some born into poverty successful later in life and others are not?
Could it be..... PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?

[Anonymous]

"Black people are not allowed to protest police brutality because many of them are poor and many blacks kill other blacks."

I'm sorry I just don't get the rationale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In your "truth" you blame poor people for the shitty schools, not acknowledging the poor people have little control or say over the quality of their shitty schools. You fail to acknowledge the lack of community engagment and interventions to deal with the lack of parenting, which you fail to acknowledge comes from the fact that dad is in jail for being busted with weed, and that mom dropped out of school because she got knocked up because she didn't have access to contraceptives, and that this is a cycle that has continued for multiple generations, and they don't know what "normal" is even supposed to be.

NP here.
If this were all true, then nobody would ever make it out of poverty.
But, many do.
What is the difference? Why are some born into poverty successful later in life and others are not?
Could it be..... PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?

But many do?? Ah no. Educate yourself.

https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/about/overview/