Napa Valley wine train racism and the issue of "white space"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am white and I prefer white culture. Blacks are welcome in my life but not with the loud crazy stuff.

Oh for crying out loud - is this a joke post?

I was recently up at Fenway Park with my kids and the row of white Catholic school graduates behind us (they mentioned their education) was so loud and obnoxious and foul-mouthed that we left early.

Have you never been to a white fraternity party? Never been to an Irish pub? Never been to a Redskins game? Never encountered soccer hooligans in Europe?

Quiet white culture my a**

You messed up with your Redskins reference. It's the Washington football team. Get with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live here in the Napa area and know all about this and it has nothing to do about racism. This group of black females (1 white) simply got out of hand on the train and disrespected all the other passengers with there loud group. This train isn't a party type train, more of a high class tour train that serves wine and such as it travels up and down the valley.

Do you really think in the liberal Bay Area this would happen because of race? No way, they just happened to be black and are of course playing the race card like everyone else. Blacks can be wrong at times just like whites, it doesn't make it racism. I'm sick of all this crap.

Living in Napa means you were on the train?
You do realize that there were actually people on the train who say the ladies were not that loud!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not everything that happens to black people is because of racism. Sometimes, it is just their own bad behavior. Jumping on the racism bandwagon every time something happens does a real disservice to actual acts of racism.

And I suppose jumping to discredit every incident does wonders.

Assuming every bad thing that happens yo a black person is a result of racism sure as hell does.

You see what you want. You hear what you want. There's a mountain of information out there and a boatload of stories and I know for a fact you aren't reviewing all the facts nor are you listening to all the narratives because if you were you would know that blacks aren't always blaming racism for every bad thing that happens. You want to see and hear things that reinforce your beliefs that those darn blacks are always crying wolf.

There sure is a mountain of blaming racism for everything happening right here in these threads, so that shoots a hole in your notion that it isn't happening.

Because of posts on this site ???!!! You cannot that dumb to think posts on the site represent everything that happens to every black person across America every day you can't be that freaking stupid!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Wine Train isn't about to put up with Grandma getting her booty shake on like a mofo. Plus she was pairing Bodega Bay oysters with a 2012 Rutherford Cabernet Sauvignon. Quelle horreur.

I am totally ignorant where wine is concerned so reading that line was as if it was written in Chinese. lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am white and I prefer white culture. Blacks are welcome in my life but not with the loud crazy stuff.

Black people don't own a monopoly on being loud and crazy. Nothing is worse than being around a bunch of drunk white college students. A lot of them roam through the beach towns in Florida and cause mass havoc. So you can keep your culture.

I can't stand drunks but especially loud and obnoxious drunks. Race isn't an issue, the behavior is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nah, being loud, obnoxious drunks couldn't POSSIBLY have had anything to do with it. IMPOSSIBLE, I say.

</sarcasm>

Your proof that they were drunk is ... ? Believe it or not many people can be boisterous and have fun without being drunk. Others. Noose a life of isolation and stewing in repressed resentment and anger. Just something to mull over.

Um, did you forget about the WINE part?

The only evidence that any of these ladies was intoxicated is the fact wine was available for consumption? Gotcha.

WINE train, but we are to believe you, that nobody was drinking. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Summary of this thread:

Black posters: I assume the black people were acting appropriately and, therefore, racism.

Everyone else: If they got warned repeatedly to quiet down and didn't, then I assume they got kicked off for being legitimately too loud and disrupting the experience for others and, therefore, not racism.

None of you black posters was there, and you are all just arguing your presumptions about people's inclination to be racist. It's a fair question to ask who should get to define the culture of loudness on the wine train. But the answer is the ownership. And the passengers that got kicked off repeatedly disregarded the warnings they were given. End of story.

A previous poster linked this http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Black-women-humiliated-after-getting-kicked-6460912.php

Supports your last paragraph.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of this thread:

Black posters: I assume the black people were acting appropriately and, therefore, racism.

Everyone else: If they got warned repeatedly to quiet down and didn't, then I assume they got kicked off for being legitimately too loud and disrupting the experience for others and, therefore, not racism.

None of you black posters was there, and you are all just arguing your presumptions about people's inclination to be racist. It's a fair question to ask who should get to define the culture of loudness on the wine train. But the answer is the ownership. And the passengers that got kicked off repeatedly disregarded the warnings they were given. End of story.

Yessir, master.

Facts speak for themselves. And, mystery of life, they often don't support racism claims.

You guys learned not to cry wolf as kids, didn't ya?

Refuse to relocate the coloreds to another car so that they can't upset the fine white folk and then defame them by making false accusations about directing physical and verb abuse at your employees and patrons. Nothing to worry about here.

Assinine statement while ignoring the facts. For one thing, the train was completely sold out, so, no where to put the women in another car.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not just race at play here. You've got a bunch of uptight, older white people from the Midwest with the expectation that a mediocre and over-priced meal on a train traveling through Napa vineyards will magically transport them back to a first-class dining room on the White Star Line at the turn of the century.

Not just race but you mention older white people? LMAO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am white and I prefer white culture. Blacks are welcome in my life but not with the loud crazy stuff.

Oh for crying out loud - is this a joke post?

I was recently up at Fenway Park with my kids and the row of white Catholic school graduates behind us (they mentioned their education) was so loud and obnoxious and foul-mouthed that we left early.

Have you never been to a white fraternity party? Never been to an Irish pub? Never been to a Redskins game? Never encountered soccer hooligans in Europe?

Quiet white culture my a**

You messed up with your Redskins reference. It's the Washington football team. Get with it.

As if the pp can't be from the DC area and travel up to Boston and go to Fenway?

BTW, the pp said ''recently up at Fenway Park'' which indicates travel north.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of this thread:

Black posters: I assume the black people were acting appropriately and, therefore, racism.

Everyone else: If they got warned repeatedly to quiet down and didn't, then I assume they got kicked off for being legitimately too loud and disrupting the experience for others and, therefore, not racism.

None of you black posters was there, and you are all just arguing your presumptions about people's inclination to be racist. It's a fair question to ask who should get to define the culture of loudness on the wine train. But the answer is the ownership. And the passengers that gs ot kicked off repeatedly disregarded the warnins they were given. End of story.

A previous poster linked this http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Black-women-humiliated-after-getting-kicked-6460912.php

Supports your last paragraph.

O.K. this is different then. I was wondering if they were warned. That seems only fair.
So they weren’t kicked off without any warning.
They persisted in the obnoxious behaviour even after warned to quiet down.
The train owner sets the standards. This isn’t racism - just bad behaviour by a certain group of women.