Napa Valley wine train racism and the issue of "white space"

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I am white and I prefer white culture. Blacks are welcome in my life but not with the loud crazy stuff.



Oh for crying out loud - is this a joke post?

I was recently up at Fenway Park with my kids and the row of white Catholic school graduates behind us (they mentioned their education) was so loud and obnoxious and foul-mouthed that we left early.

Have you never been to a white fraternity party? Never been to an Irish pub? Never been to a Redskins game? Never encountered soccer hooligans in Europe?

Quiet white culture my a**
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am white and I prefer white culture. Blacks are welcome in my life but not with the loud crazy stuff.



Oh for crying out loud - is this a joke post?

I was recently up at Fenway Park with my kids and the row of white Catholic school graduates behind us (they mentioned their education) was so loud and obnoxious and foul-mouthed that we left early.

Have you never been to a white fraternity party? Never been to an Irish pub? Never been to a Redskins game? Never encountered soccer hooligans in Europe?

Quiet white culture my a**


Fenway park is a bit different then the closed quarters of a dinner train
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am white and I prefer white culture. Blacks are welcome in my life but not with the loud crazy stuff.



Oh for crying out loud - is this a joke post?

I was recently up at Fenway Park with my kids and the row of white Catholic school graduates behind us (they mentioned their education) was so loud and obnoxious and foul-mouthed that we left early.

Have you never been to a white fraternity party? Never been to an Irish pub? Never been to a Redskins game? Never encountered soccer hooligans in Europe?

Quiet white culture my a**


Fenway park is a bit different then the closed quarters of a dinner train



Exactly. Context people.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am white and I prefer white culture. Blacks are welcome in my life but not with the loud crazy stuff.



Oh for crying out loud - is this a joke post?

I was recently up at Fenway Park with my kids and the row of white Catholic school graduates behind us (they mentioned their education) was so loud and obnoxious and foul-mouthed that we left early.

Have you never been to a white fraternity party? Never been to an Irish pub? Never been to a Redskins game? Never encountered soccer hooligans in Europe?

Quiet white culture my a**


Fenway park is a bit different then the closed quarters of a dinner train


Inwould rather sit in the confines of the wine train with my Kids and that boisterous group of ladies than in front of those obnoxious obscene Sox fans at Fenway Park.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am white and I prefer white culture. Blacks are welcome in my life but not with the loud crazy stuff.



Oh for crying out loud - is this a joke post?

I was recently up at Fenway Park with my kids and the row of white Catholic school graduates behind us (they mentioned their education) was so loud and obnoxious and foul-mouthed that we left early.

Have you never been to a white fraternity party? Never been to an Irish pub? Never been to a Redskins game? Never encountered soccer hooligans in Europe?

Quiet white culture my a**


Fenway park is a bit different then the closed quarters of a dinner train


Inwould rather sit in the confines of the wine train with my Kids and that boisterous group of ladies than in front of those obnoxious obscene Sox fans at Fenway Park.



Again- two very different venues and activities ...
Anonymous
It's not just race at play here. You've got a bunch of uptight, older white people from the Midwest with the expectation that a mediocre and over-priced meal on a train traveling through Napa vineyards will magically transport them back to a first-class dining room on the White Star Line at the turn of the century.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nah, being loud, obnoxious drunks couldn't POSSIBLY have had anything to do with it. IMPOSSIBLE, I say.

</sarcasm>


Your proof that they were drunk is ... ? Believe it or not many people can be boisterous and have fun without being drunk. Others. Noose a life of isolation and stewing in repressed resentment and anger. Just something to mull over.


Um, did you forget about the WINE part?
Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am white and I prefer white culture. Blacks are welcome in my life but not with the loud crazy stuff.[/quote]


Oh for crying out loud - is this a joke post?

I was recently up at Fenway Park with my kids and the row of white Catholic school graduates behind us (they mentioned their education) was so loud and obnoxious and foul-mouthed that we left early.

Have you never been to a white fraternity party? Never been to an Irish pub? Never been to a Redskins game? Never encountered soccer hooligans in Europe?

Quiet white culture my a**[/quote]

Fenway park is a bit different then the closed quarters of a dinner train [/quote]

Inwould rather sit in the confines of the wine train with my Kids and that boisterous group of ladies than in front of those obnoxious obscene Sox fans at Fenway Park.[/quote]


Again- two very different venues and activities ...[/quote]

Pp above said she preferred "white culture" to loud black culture. I pointed out instances of loud white culture and noted that if I had to pick I would rather be hanging out with the fun group on the train than the crude fans at the park.

And personally i think a baseball stadium should be a family friendly space. Too often though "white culture" doesn't seem to agree. I'm white by the way.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nah, being loud, obnoxious drunks couldn't POSSIBLY have had anything to do with it. IMPOSSIBLE, I say.

</sarcasm>


Your proof that they were drunk is ... ? Believe it or not many people can be boisterous and have fun without being drunk. Others. Noose a life of isolation and stewing in repressed resentment and anger. Just something to mull over.


Um, did you forget about the WINE part?


You purchase wines by the glass to accompany your $125 meal. The wines are served by a waiter. It's not a tequila shot bachelorette get bacchanal.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nah, being loud, obnoxious drunks couldn't POSSIBLY have had anything to do with it. IMPOSSIBLE, I say.

</sarcasm>


Your proof that they were drunk is ... ? Believe it or not many people can be boisterous and have fun without being drunk. Others. Noose a life of isolation and stewing in repressed resentment and anger. Just something to mull over.


Um, did you forget about the WINE part?


You purchase wines by the glass to accompany your $125 meal. The wines are served by a waiter. It's not a tequila shot bachelorette get bacchanal.


At least it shouldn't be...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am white and I prefer white culture. Blacks are welcome in my life but not with the loud crazy stuff.



Oh for crying out loud - is this a joke post?

I was recently up at Fenway Park with my kids and the row of white Catholic school graduates behind us (they mentioned their education) was so loud and obnoxious and foul-mouthed that we left early.

Have you never been to a white fraternity party? Never been to an Irish pub? Never been to a Redskins game? Never encountered soccer hooligans in Europe?

Quiet white culture my a**


Fenway park is a bit different then the closed quarters of a dinner train



Exactly. Context people.


Context is racist.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nah, being loud, obnoxious drunks couldn't POSSIBLY have had anything to do with it. IMPOSSIBLE, I say.

</sarcasm>


Your proof that they were drunk is ... ? Believe it or not many people can be boisterous and have fun without being drunk. Others. Noose a life of isolation and stewing in repressed resentment and anger. Just something to mull over.


Um, did you forget about the WINE part?


The only evidence that any of these ladies was intoxicated is the fact wine was available for consumption? Gotcha.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nah, being loud, obnoxious drunks couldn't POSSIBLY have had anything to do with it. IMPOSSIBLE, I say.

</sarcasm>


Your proof that they were drunk is ... ? Believe it or not many people can be boisterous and have fun without being drunk. Others. Noose a life of isolation and stewing in repressed resentment and anger. Just something to mull over.


Um, did you forget about the WINE part?


The only evidence that any of these ladies was intoxicated is the fact wine was available for consumption? Gotcha.
Anonymous
I live here in the Napa area and know all about this and it has nothing to do about racism. This group of black females (1 white) simply got out of hand on the train and disrespected all the other passengers with there loud group. This train isn't a party type train, more of a high class tour train that serves wine and such as it travels up and down the valley.

Do you really think in the liberal Bay Area this would happen because of race? No way, they just happened to be black and are of course playing the race card like everyone else. Blacks can be wrong at times just like whites, it doesn't make it racism. I'm sick of all this crap.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I live here in the Napa area and know all about this and it has nothing to do about racism. This group of black females (1 white) simply got out of hand on the train and disrespected all the other passengers with there loud group. This train isn't a party type train, more of a high class tour train that serves wine and such as it travels up and down the valley.

Do you really think in the liberal Bay Area this would happen because of race? No way, they just happened to be black and are of course playing the race card like everyone else. Blacks can be wrong at times just like whites, it doesn't make it racism. I'm sick of all this crap.


Yep.
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