Napa Valley wine train racism and the issue of "white space"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am white and I prefer white culture. Blacks are welcome in my life but not with the loud crazy stuff.

Black people don't own a monopoly on being loud and crazy. Nothing is worse than being around a bunch of drunk white college students. A lot of them roam through the beach towns in Florida and cause mass havoc. So you can keep your culture.

Hmmm.

Being in the middle of the Baltimore riots was probably worse than being around some drunk whites.

Unless you are trying to steal some prescription drugs, of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am white and I prefer white culture. Blacks are welcome in my life but not with the loud crazy stuff.

Black people don't own a monopoly on being loud and crazy. Nothing is worse than being around a bunch of drunk white college students. A lot of them roam through the beach towns in Florida and cause mass havoc. So you can keep your culture.

Hmmm.

Being in the middle of the Baltimore riots was probably worse than being around some drunk whites.

Unless you are trying to steal some prescription drugs, of course.

Ummm... White lady here... But have you not seen footage of the dystopian hellscape that is spring break in Florida? Strikes terror down to the marrow of my bones. Belligerent, rapey bros are fucking terrifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Wine Train isn't about to put up with Grandma getting her booty shake on like a mofo. Plus she was pairing Bodega Bay oysters with a 2012 Rutherford Cabernet Sauvignon. Quelle horreur.

Hahaha...

[Anonymous]

I am a strong supporter of AAs and issues they face while going about their everyday business. BUT, in this case it seems like the reason for asking the ladies to leave was their loud behavior. It is not acceptable to be warning crazy loud on a wine train, period. Sure, they paid for the ride but so did others. There are norms of civility and decency to be observed in social settings, just because you were corrected and then removed has nothing to do with racism. Any white person demonstrating same behavior would have received the same treatment.

[Anonymous]

Summary of this thread:

Black posters: I assume the black people were acting appropriately and, therefore, racism.

Everyone else: If they got warned repeatedly to quiet down and didn't, then I assume they got kicked off for being legitimately too loud and disrupting the experience for others and, therefore, not racism.

None of you black posters was there, and you are all just arguing your presumptions about people's inclination to be racist. It's a fair question to ask who should get to define the culture of loudness on the wine train. But the answer is the ownership. And the passengers that got kicked off repeatedly disregarded the warnings they were given. End of story.

[Anonymous]

All of these stories are just becoming white noise to me. Badumpdum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Summary of this thread:

Black posters: I assume the black people were acting appropriately and, therefore, racism.

Everyone else: If they got warned repeatedly to quiet down and didn't, then I assume they got kicked off for being legitimately too loud and disrupting the experience for others and, therefore, not racism.

None of you black posters was there, and you are all just arguing your presumptions about people's inclination to be racist. It's a fair question to ask who should get to define the culture of loudness on the wine train. But the answer is the ownership. And the passengers that got kicked off repeatedly disregarded the warnings they were given. End of story.

Yessir, master.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not everything that happens to black people is because of racism. Sometimes, it is just their own bad behavior. Jumping on the racism bandwagon every time something happens does a real disservice to actual acts of racism.

And I suppose jumping to discredit every incident does wonders.

Assuming every bad thing that happens yo a black person is a result of racism sure as hell does.

You see what you want. You hear what you want. There's a mountain of information out there and a boatload of stories and I know for a fact you aren't reviewing all the facts nor are you listening to all the narratives because if you were you would know that blacks aren't always blaming racism for every bad thing that happens. You want to see and hear things that reinforce your beliefs that those darn blacks are always crying wolf.

There sure is a mountain of blaming racism for everything happening right here in these threads, so that shoots a hole in your notion that it isn't happening.

[Anonymous]

Is it coincidence that "a hole" is used in your post?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am white and I prefer white culture. Blacks are welcome in my life but not with the loud crazy stuff.

Black people don't own a monopoly on being loud and crazy. Nothing is worse than being around a bunch of drunk white college students. A lot of them roam through the beach towns in Florida and cause mass havoc. So you can keep your culture.

Hmmm.

Being in the middle of the Baltimore riots was probably worse than being around some drunk whites.

Unless you are trying to steal some prescription drugs, of course.

Ummm... White lady here... But have you not seen footage of the dystopian hellscape that is spring break in Florida? Strikes terror down to the marrow of my bones. Belligerent, rapey bros are fucking terrifying.

During spring break, plenty of loud obnoxious drunk white kids get thrown out of establishments right and left with nobody automatically assuming they got thrown out because of their skin color as opposed to being loud obnoxious drunks. Apparently mastery of the obvious (people being loud obnoxious drunks) seems to have escaped some folks around here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of this thread:

Black posters: I assume the black people were acting appropriately and, therefore, racism.

Everyone else: If they got warned repeatedly to quiet down and didn't, then I assume they got kicked off for being legitimately too loud and disrupting the experience for others and, therefore, not racism.

None of you black posters was there, and you are all just arguing your presumptions about people's inclination to be racist. It's a fair question to ask who should get to define the culture of loudness on the wine train. But the answer is the ownership. And the passengers that got kicked off repeatedly disregarded the warnings they were given. End of story.

Yessir, master.

Facts speak for themselves. And, mystery of life, they often don't support racism claims.

You guys learned not to cry wolf as kids, didn't ya?

[Anonymous]

Nah, being loud, obnoxious drunks couldn't POSSIBLY have had anything to do with it. IMPOSSIBLE, I say.

</sarcasm>

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary of this thread:

Black posters: I assume the black people were acting appropriately and, therefore, racism.

Everyone else: If they got warned repeatedly to quiet down and didn't, then I assume they got kicked off for being legitimately too loud and disrupting the experience for others and, therefore, not racism.

None of you black posters was there, and you are all just arguing your presumptions about people's inclination to be racist. It's a fair question to ask who should get to define the culture of loudness on the wine train. But the answer is the ownership. And the passengers that got kicked off repeatedly disregarded the warnings they were given. End of story.

Yessir, master.

Facts speak for themselves. And, mystery of life, they often don't support racism claims.

You guys learned not to cry wolf as kids, didn't ya?

Refuse to relocate the coloreds to another car so that they can't upset the fine white folk and then defame them by making false accusations about directing physical and verb abuse at your employees and patrons. Nothing to worry about here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nah, being loud, obnoxious drunks couldn't POSSIBLY have had anything to do with it. IMPOSSIBLE, I say.

</sarcasm>

Your proof that they were drunk is ... ? Believe it or not many people can be boisterous and have fun without being drunk. Others. Noose a life of isolation and stewing in repressed resentment and anger. Just something to mull over.

[Anonymous]

Noose = choose