Are you scared?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am worried that we are not taking terrorism seriously anymore considering everything that happened on 9/11 and the "clues" we missed cause we fell asleep at the wheel.

I blame the entire political environment and both parties. Everyone is trying to score cool points and not learn from lessons of the past. I fear that if we have another terrorist attack in this country, we'll look back at benghazi and how instead of focusing on any security lapse's or lessons learned, we spent out time playing gotcha trying to blame people in the administration. We will look back at how ISIS/IS increased its strength and influence because we as a country did nothing to slow them down. In the end the finger pointing will be 100 times worse with folks blaming obama, republicans, or some made up creation in their mind.

In the end, am I scared to death? No. Just worried and angry that our politicians are playing too many games and its going to end up biting us in the ass. I just hope it doesnt.

Maybe we should look at WHY people attack us. "They hate our freeeeedom" is a feel-good cop-out, not much different than saying the bullies at your school pick on you because they are jealous of your intelligence.

NP here. Because America has engaged in policies terrorists don't like, and also as part of a religious fight. This is well known. Also, to extend your analogy, a lot of the reason terrorists attack America is not America's own fault. ISIS, however, is not attacking American soil, and is attacking other Middle Eastern countries, so motives related to America's actions do not apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am worried that we are not taking terrorism seriously anymore considering everything that happened on 9/11 and the "clues" we missed cause we fell asleep at the wheel.

I blame the entire political environment and both parties. Everyone is trying to score cool points and not learn from lessons of the past. I fear that if we have another terrorist attack in this country, we'll look back at benghazi and how instead of focusing on any security lapse's or lessons learned, we spent out time playing gotcha trying to blame people in the administration. We will look back at how ISIS/IS increased its strength and influence because we as a country did nothing to slow them down. In the end the finger pointing will be 100 times worse with folks blaming obama, republicans, or some made up creation in their mind.

In the end, am I scared to death? No. Just worried and angry that our politicians are playing too many games and its going to end up biting us in the ass. I just hope it doesnt.

Maybe we should look at WHY people attack us. "They hate our freeeeedom" is a feel-good cop-out, not much different than saying the bullies at your school pick on you because they are jealous of your intelligence.

NP here. Because America has engaged in policies terrorists don't like, and also as part of a religious fight. This is well known. Also, to extend your analogy, a lot of the reason terrorists attack America is not America's own fault. ISIS, however, is not attacking American soil, and is attacking other Middle Eastern countries, so motives related to America's actions do not apply.

Yes, I'm sure they didn't mind us overthrowing Iraq and installing the Shiites, whom they are now fighting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am worried that we are not taking terrorism seriously anymore considering everything that happened on 9/11 and the "clues" we missed cause we fell asleep at the wheel.

I blame the entire political environment and both parties. Everyone is trying to score cool points and not learn from lessons of the past. I fear that if we have another terrorist attack in this country, we'll look back at benghazi and how instead of focusing on any security lapse's or lessons learned, we spent out time playing gotcha trying to blame people in the administration. We will look back at how ISIS/IS increased its strength and influence because we as a country did nothing to slow them down. In the end the finger pointing will be 100 times worse with folks blaming obama, republicans, or some made up creation in their mind.

In the end, am I scared to death? No. Just worried and angry that our politicians are playing too many games and its going to end up biting us in the ass. I just hope it doesnt.

Maybe we should look at WHY people attack us. "They hate our freeeeedom" is a feel-good cop-out, not much different than saying the bullies at your school pick on you because they are jealous of your intelligence.

NP here. Because America has engaged in policies terrorists don't like, and also as part of a religious fight. This is well known. Also, to extend your analogy, a lot of the reason terrorists attack America is not America's own fault. ISIS, however, is not attacking American soil, and is attacking other Middle Eastern countries, so motives related to America's actions do not apply.

Yes, I'm sure they didn't mind us overthrowing Iraq and installing the Shiites, whom they are now fighting.

I never said that. "Policies terrorists don't like" would obviously include that. I probably should have listed some. In any case, the probable reason for the murders of Foley and Sotloff is our recent airstrikes, which were completely justified, given ISIS' persecution of the Yazidis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am worried that we are not taking terrorism seriously anymore considering everything that happened on 9/11 and the "clues" we missed cause we fell asleep at the wheel.

I blame the entire political environment and both parties. Everyone is trying to score cool points and not learn from lessons of the past. I fear that if we have another terrorist attack in this country, we'll look back at benghazi and how instead of focusing on any security lapse's or lessons learned, we spent out time playing gotcha trying to blame people in the administration. We will look back at how ISIS/IS increased its strength and influence because we as a country did nothing to slow them down. In the end the finger pointing will be 100 times worse with folks blaming obama, republicans, or some made up creation in their mind.

In the end, am I scared to death? No. Just worried and angry that our politicians are playing too many games and its going to end up biting us in the ass. I just hope it doesnt.

Maybe we should look at WHY people attack us. "They hate our freeeeedom" is a feel-good cop-out, not much different than saying the bullies at your school pick on you because they are jealous of your intelligence.

NP here. Because America has engaged in policies terrorists don't like, and also as part of a religious fight. This is well known. Also, to extend your analogy, a lot of the reason terrorists attack America is not America's own fault. ISIS, however, is not attacking American soil, and is attacking other Middle Eastern countries, so motives related to America's actions do not apply.

Yes, I'm sure they didn't mind us overthrowing Iraq and installing the Shiites, whom they are now fighting.

I never said that. "Policies terrorists don't like" would obviously include that. I probably should have listed some. In any case, the probable reason for the murders of Foley and Sotloff is our recent airstrikes, which were completely justified, given ISIS' persecution of the Yazidis.

So you want to ignore the root cause, and just focus on the proximate ones. The fact is that IS would not be in Iraq, maybe wouldn't even exist, if not for the Iraq war.

We clearly are not making the Middle East a better place. There's a pretty good argument that we make it a worse place. So given that our overall impact is not good, we should get out and not make ourselves a target.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am worried that we are not taking terrorism seriously anymore considering everything that happened on 9/11 and the "clues" we missed cause we fell asleep at the wheel.

I blame the entire political environment and both parties. Everyone is trying to score cool points and not learn from lessons of the past. I fear that if we have another terrorist attack in this country, we'll look back at benghazi and how instead of focusing on any security lapse's or lessons learned, we spent out time playing gotcha trying to blame people in the administration. We will look back at how ISIS/IS increased its strength and influence because we as a country did nothing to slow them down. In the end the finger pointing will be 100 times worse with folks blaming obama, republicans, or some made up creation in their mind.

In the end, am I scared to death? No. Just worried and angry that our politicians are playing too many games and its going to end up biting us in the ass. I just hope it doesnt.

Maybe we should look at WHY people attack us. "They hate our freeeeedom" is a feel-good cop-out, not much different than saying the bullies at your school pick on you because they are jealous of your intelligence.

NP here. Because America has engaged in policies terrorists don't like, and also as part of a religious fight. This is well known. Also, to extend your analogy, a lot of the reason terrorists attack America is not America's own fault. ISIS, however, is not attacking American soil, and is attacking other Middle Eastern countries, so motives related to America's actions do not apply.

Yes, I'm sure they didn't mind us overthrowing Iraq and installing the Shiites, whom they are now fighting.

I never said that. "Policies terrorists don't like" would obviously include that. I probably should have listed some. In any case, the probable reason for the murders of Foley and Sotloff is our recent airstrikes, which were completely justified, given ISIS' persecution of the Yazidis.

So you want to ignore the root cause, and just focus on the proximate ones. The fact is that IS would not be in Iraq, maybe wouldn't even exist, if not for the Iraq war.

We clearly are not making the Middle East a better place. There's a pretty good argument that we make it a worse place. So given that our overall impact is not good, we should get out and not make ourselves a target.

PP here. I know that, but the fact is that ISIS killed innocent people after the US had gotten out of Iraq. Someone has to stop ISIS and save the Yazidis from persecution, and this is coming from someone who was against the Iraq war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
PP here. I know that, but the fact is that ISIS killed innocent people after the US had gotten out of Iraq. Someone has to stop ISIS and save the Yazidis from persecution, and this is coming from someone who was against the Iraq war.

So I'm not saying it is clearly wrong. But this is exactly how we get into these messes. We will bomb them and make ourselves into a target. We'll probably fund the Kurds, and when they don't get a homeland out of this they are going to get really, really pissed because they have been dispossessed for a long, long time. Desperate people who finally think their day is coming are really dangerous when their aspirations don't come true -- especially when they are armed with our weapons. And we are working with Shiite militias?? If that doesn't prove our insanity, I don't know what will.

I didn't like Hussein, but we really kicked the hornet's nest when we took him out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
PP here. I know that, but the fact is that ISIS killed innocent people after the US had gotten out of Iraq. Someone has to stop ISIS and save the Yazidis from persecution, and this is coming from someone who was against the Iraq war.

So I'm not saying it is clearly wrong. But this is exactly how we get into these messes. We will bomb them and make ourselves into a target. We'll probably fund the Kurds, and when they don't get a homeland out of this they are going to get really, really pissed because they have been dispossessed for a long, long time. Desperate people who finally think their day is coming are really dangerous when their aspirations don't come true -- especially when they are armed with our weapons. And we are working with Shiite militias?? If that doesn't prove our insanity, I don't know what will.

I didn't like Hussein, but we really kicked the hornet's nest when we took him out.

We already are, and were, a target. I agree 100% on Hussein though, but in my opinion, they shouldn't repeat last time, and try to give Kurdistan statehood, given how chaotic keeping Iraq together has been.

[Anonymous]

I fear debt and where it puts us rather than armed incursions. Geography has protected U.S. and will likely continue to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am worried that we are not taking terrorism seriously anymore considering everything that happened on 9/11 and the "clues" we missed cause we fell asleep at the wheel.

I blame the entire political environment and both parties. Everyone is trying to score cool points and not learn from lessons of the past. I fear that if we have another terrorist attack in this country, we'll look back at benghazi and how instead of focusing on any security lapse's or lessons learned, we spent out time playing gotcha trying to blame people in the administration. We will look back at how ISIS/IS increased its strength and influence because we as a country did nothing to slow them down. In the end the finger pointing will be 100 times worse with folks blaming obama, republicans, or some made up creation in their mind.

In the end, am I scared to death? No. Just worried and angry that our politicians are playing too many games and its going to end up biting us in the ass. I just hope it doesnt.

Maybe we should look at WHY people attack us. "They hate our freeeeedom" is a feel-good cop-out, not much different than saying the bullies at your school pick on you because they are jealous of your intelligence.

NP here. Because America has engaged in policies terrorists don't like, and also as part of a religious fight. This is well known. Also, to extend your analogy, a lot of the reason terrorists attack America is not America's own fault. ISIS, however, is not attacking American soil, and is attacking other Middle Eastern countries, so motives related to America's actions do not apply.

Yes, I'm sure they didn't mind us overthrowing Iraq and installing the Shiites, whom they are now fighting.

I never said that. "Policies terrorists don't like" would obviously include that. I probably should have listed some. In any case, the probable reason for the murders of Foley and Sotloff is our recent airstrikes, which were completely justified, given ISIS' persecution of the Yazidis.

So you want to ignore the root cause, and just focus on the proximate ones. The fact is that IS would not be in Iraq, maybe wouldn't even exist, if not for the Iraq war.

We clearly are not making the Middle East a better place. There's a pretty good argument that we make it a worse place. So given that our overall impact is not good, we should get out and not make ourselves a target.

This is not a fact at all. ISIS was rather born out of the Arab Spring; the civil war in Syria. The lack of the country Kurdistan that could have properly defended itself in Syria, and in Mosul, where they were overrun. Etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
PP here. I know that, but the fact is that ISIS killed innocent people after the US had gotten out of Iraq. Someone has to stop ISIS and save the Yazidis from persecution, and this is coming from someone who was against the Iraq war.

So I'm not saying it is clearly wrong. But this is exactly how we get into these messes. We will bomb them and make ourselves into a target. We'll probably fund the Kurds, and when they don't get a homeland out of this they are going to get really, really pissed because they have been dispossessed for a long, long time. Desperate people who finally think their day is coming are really dangerous when their aspirations don't come true -- especially when they are armed with our weapons. And we are working with Shiite militias?? If that doesn't prove our insanity, I don't know what will.

I didn't like Hussein, but we really kicked the hornet's nest when we took him out.

You kicked the hornet's nest when Gertrude Bell & Co. stitched together pieces of land that should never have been one country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am worried that we are not taking terrorism seriously anymore considering everything that happened on 9/11 and the "clues" we missed cause we fell asleep at the wheel.

I blame the entire political environment and both parties. Everyone is trying to score cool points and not learn from lessons of the past. I fear that if we have another terrorist attack in this country, we'll look back at benghazi and how instead of focusing on any security lapse's or lessons learned, we spent out time playing gotcha trying to blame people in the administration. We will look back at how ISIS/IS increased its strength and influence because we as a country did nothing to slow them down. In the end the finger pointing will be 100 times worse with folks blaming obama, republicans, or some made up creation in their mind.

In the end, am I scared to death? No. Just worried and angry that our politicians are playing too many games and its going to end up biting us in the ass. I just hope it doesnt.

Maybe we should look at WHY people attack us. "They hate our freeeeedom" is a feel-good cop-out, not much different than saying the bullies at your school pick on you because they are jealous of your intelligence.

NP here. Because America has engaged in policies terrorists don't like, and also as part of a religious fight. This is well known. Also, to extend your analogy, a lot of the reason terrorists attack America is not America's own fault. ISIS, however, is not attacking American soil, and is attacking other Middle Eastern countries, so motives related to America's actions do not apply.

Yes, I'm sure they didn't mind us overthrowing Iraq and installing the Shiites, whom they are now fighting.

I never said that. "Policies terrorists don't like" would obviously include that. I probably should have listed some. In any case, the probable reason for the murders of Foley and Sotloff is our recent airstrikes, which were completely justified, given ISIS' persecution of the Yazidis.

So you want to ignore the root cause, and just focus on the proximate ones. The fact is that IS would not be in Iraq, maybe wouldn't even exist, if not for the Iraq war.

We clearly are not making the Middle East a better place. There's a pretty good argument that we make it a worse place. So given that our overall impact is not good, we should get out and not make ourselves a target.

This is not a fact at all. ISIS was rather born out of the Arab Spring; the civil war in Syria. The lack of the country Kurdistan that could have properly defended itself in Syria, and in Mosul, where they were overrun. Etc.

You don't have your story straight on the history of ISIS. al Zarqawi created the organization that became IS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am worried that we are not taking terrorism seriously anymore considering everything that happened on 9/11 and the "clues" we missed cause we fell asleep at the wheel.

I blame the entire political environment and both parties. Everyone is trying to score cool points and not learn from lessons of the past. I fear that if we have another terrorist attack in this country, we'll look back at benghazi and how instead of focusing on any security lapse's or lessons learned, we spent out time playing gotcha trying to blame people in the administration. We will look back at how ISIS/IS increased its strength and influence because we as a country did nothing to slow them down. In the end the finger pointing will be 100 times worse with folks blaming obama, republicans, or some made up creation in their mind.

In the end, am I scared to death? No. Just worried and angry that our politicians are playing too many games and its going to end up biting us in the ass. I just hope it doesnt.

Maybe we should look at WHY people attack us. "They hate our freeeeedom" is a feel-good cop-out, not much different than saying the bullies at your school pick on you because they are jealous of your intelligence.

NP here. Because America has engaged in policies terrorists don't like, and also as part of a religious fight. This is well known. Also, to extend your analogy, a lot of the reason terrorists attack America is not America's own fault. ISIS, however, is not attacking American soil, and is attacking other Middle Eastern countries, so motives related to America's actions do not apply.

Yes, I'm sure they didn't mind us overthrowing Iraq and installing the Shiites, whom they are now fighting.

I never said that. "Policies terrorists don't like" would obviously include that. I probably should have listed some. In any case, the probable reason for the murders of Foley and Sotloff is our recent airstrikes, which were completely justified, given ISIS' persecution of the Yazidis.

So you want to ignore the root cause, and just focus on the proximate ones. The fact is that IS would not be in Iraq, maybe wouldn't even exist, if not for the Iraq war.

We clearly are not making the Middle East a better place. There's a pretty good argument that we make it a worse place. So given that our overall impact is not good, we should get out and not make ourselves a target.

PP here. I know that, but the fact is that ISIS killed innocent people after the US had gotten out of Iraq. Someone has to stop ISIS and save the Yazidis from persecution, and this is coming from someone who was against the Iraq war.

So - you are FOR war in Iraq after you were against war in Iraq? How do you feel about demanding an exit strategy, a fixed withdrawal date, and prior congressional approval?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I fear debt and where it puts us rather than armed incursions. Geography has protected U.S. and will likely continue to do so.

Exactly. I'm scared and it has to do with the $17 trillion dollar debt. I don't think there is anyone electable who can fix our debt situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I fear debt and where it puts us rather than armed incursions. Geography has protected U.S. and will likely continue to do so.

Exactly. I'm scared and it has to do with the $17 trillion dollar debt. I don't think there is anyone electable who can fix our debt situation.

If we can avoid $2 Trillion dollar wars, that might be a start.

[Anonymous]

^^ Actually wars have traditionally brought the USA out of economic slumps, as WWII did with the Great Depression.