Today is the day that I hate my husband

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What's shallow about not wanting to be married to an unkind person? I can't imagine why anyone would stay with someone who treats them unkindly if they had a choice.

OP, there are plenty of people who think that a woman's wrong to leave her husband unless he's beating her. Don't listen to them. This is the only life you have.

See if he'll go to counseling to save the marriage. If not, do what you need to do to make your life peaceful and happy.


I can't read all the comments - too much nasty name calling by people who really don't know what they are talking about.

I'm a guy, and this post resonated with me because the description of the husband resonated somewhat - it reminded me of my father. My father - and one of my siblings - are a bit tone deaf socially, with hints of autism spectrum disorder as another commenter suggested. Being around them in a social setting - being "connected" to them - was like being chained to lepers. They are insightful, intelligent, thoughtful (introspective - with the handicap of social tone deafness) people who are moral and neither sociopathic or "unkind", though they come off this way because of their EQ handicap (and worse, are hyper-sensitive themselves - they can dish it but can't take it). I did not inherit this tone deafness (nor did another sibling), and our mother doesn't have it, though she's got a basket of other issues (which is why she paired off with my father - her options were limited). Of the five of us, only my 'normal' sibling and I have a wide range of friends and acquaintances, and we have all our lives.

I grew up being fairly miserable because I felt the sting and stigma of being ostracised with them - because I was attached to them - and worse, because I could see - it was painfully obvious -when they were sailing off into boorish, tone-deaf territory, being insulting, or "unkind" without the faintest awareness or really intent of being that way. I was pretty lucky that I made friends, and was accepted into other families. I still shudder when people who know that one sibling recognize my last name when we first meet - the notoriety proceeds me. I have had people actually say, 'oh, you're so and so's sibling? I'm sorry!'. I truly could not care less - even though I love that sibling and feel a sense of duty to them - if I never saw them again. With substantial age (parent in their 70s, sibling in their 40s) they've both gradually developed and mellowed. I'm not sure what cognitive changes took place, but they're improving. And, I grew up enough to recognize I'm my own person, and they aren't a reflection on me. However...I don't have to live with them. I do more and more stuff with them - I limit the time I spend with them, but it's more now than it was for two decades. OP has to live with her husband...has to share friends (to some extent) with her husband...it's 24/7 immersion.

So, it seems to me: yes, it's as fair a reason as any for a divorce. And I'm very sympathetic to the OP.

The only niggle I have is this: as someone else commented: 'a checklist marriage'. OP, wasn't your husband like this before? Or were you just too busy worrying about the resume and checklist to pay attention to what he was like socially? How he treated you (inadvertent unkindness)? My experience, not just with my immediate family members, is that people who lack social/emotional intelligence (perhaps this is more social than emotional) have been that way all their lives...if they change, it's generally because they start to figure it out and get better (or get meds). I have made some terrible choices (which I fully own - I had issues that led me to those choices) in partners, but I never considered socially tone-deaf people. Ever. Maybe I was hyper-sensitive to it, but I got as far away from them as I could, as fast as I could, in spite of sometimes feeling guilty (knowing they are often drowning socially).

If your husband was, in fact, always this way, and he's been loyal, reliable, etc., and is a moral person, it seems to me that you owe him an opportunity to change - the option for counseling/therapy. I dunno. He's gotta be willing to do it, and gotta be willing to hear some negative things about himself. My father, finally, in his 70s, can kind of control his know-it-all communication style...well enough.

For everyone jumping up and down about "ooh, the poor kid...broken home, yadda yadda". I had that broken home, and I could not have been happier to have gotten free from the leper parent. That tone-deafness and resulting un-kindness left me with a few scars too...those people hurt others, not out of malice but obliviousness.

You're in a tough place...I'm sorry.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:He's not a great father. Great fathers don't belittle the mother of their children. Great fathers don't dismiss the wants and likes of his children's mother as stupid. He's sounds like my friend's ex-husband. Always rolling his eyes, talking to her in a condescending tone. He was no role model for their daughter. Thankfully he actually asked to separate. Friend is now remarried to a wonderful guy who loves her for who she is and is a full partner in parenting their kids.


That's contempt, one of Gottman's 4 Horsemen of Divorce
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What's with staying married because of dogs, cats, children and god? If it's time to move on, it's time to move on!


More to the point: why bother to get married? Just live together and if you want to end the relationship just do so. If there are children, pay the child support and work out the custody arrangements as happens with a divorce.

Why pretend the marriage is for life and make meaningless vows that you will break if the situation warrants?
Anonymous
"I don't mean to be unkind, OP, but the difficulty you have in describing how unkind your DH is makes me think that you aren't able to articulate to him how your relationship could be improved. I would find you very frustarting to deal with. Why haven't you sought counseling?"

+1. OP, I've been in your shoes in terms of being married to someone who was forever angry, mean and critical - it is not just an unpleasant way to live, it becomes extremely stressful to never know when the criticism will come, and for what reason. But all you can do it change yourself, right? So at least do the work on your end to better understand the dynamics of the relationship, and then better articulate to him how your feel and what you need. After that, it's up to him.
Anonymous
Everyone has blind spots.

It's possible that there are dynamics to your relationship that you aren't aware of.

Definitely look into counseling before calling it quits.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This is very eye opening to me because I realize I am your husband. Not literally of course, I am a wife, but we have the same personality.

I am an introvert, with what many people would describe as a "hard shell". I am not affectionate or expressive. I am direct. I do not enjoy small talk and I never remember to say goodbye to anyone (even my children) when I am leaving. I love clever and sarcastic quips, and I make them frequently. I never ask anyone for help and I work my ass off.

My dh is very different from me. He is affectionate and expressive. He is liberal with compliments and praise. Our children say that I am always critical; I think my dh blows sunshine up their butts. My personality, I believe, makes him clingy, needy, and sensitive.

But let me tell you something, anonymously, that you may never hear from your husband. Behind my hard shell, I am so in love with my husband and children that it hurts. I feel so lucky to have my dh. He is amazing and perfect and would do anything for me. I know that my harsh exterior is difficult for him, so I try to remember to say nice things, to say thank you, to keep my criticism to myself. But it is hard. It is fighting against the entire sea of my personality. And I forget. I forget over and over again.

So I guess what I'm saying is, don't write off your husband. Make your needs known, go to counseling, prompt him to be better. But don't hate him. If he is like me, he loves you until the end of the earth.


Thank you for posting this. I'm the exact same way and everyday is a battle for me to be more open.
Anonymous
I do wonder, OP, if the references to being on the spectrum are at all resonating with you. Is this possible? Could it be that what you are looking for is not there because those specific abilities to empathize that a person, for example, needs affirmation are really outside of his abilities?

Does he love you? How can you tell? Or, did he love you How could you tell?

How is he a good father- describe what he does that makes him a good father.

Im just curious. Even just a few sentences about some of this would be interesting.

I think the haters are responding to your anger and frustration, but not quite seeing how it got there. You said something about the hard exterior having become unbearably harder. And that is connected to a lack of vulnerability, or that is what you interpret it as. Anyway, Im just sensing somewhere here about this hard exterior is the key. Could be have become depressed? Depression manifests differently in people. Weird responses like "Damn right its good!" is the kind of weird thing that my husband used to do when he was depressed.

Its the inability to actually CONNECT- >-ever < that is getting to you. Is that correct?
Anonymous
What's your excuse for not realizing this before you were married?
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Anonymous wrote:I am with you OP. I am thinking of dumping my wife. She was an attractive woman when I married her but she has put on over 70 pounds since we married and I am quite honestly embarrassed to be seen with her.

Things do change sometimes in terms of personality and other times in terms of looks.


Goes with the territory: most women once they get married put on the pounds like there is no tomorrow. They are motivated to lose the weight after divorce or separation while on the prowl in search of their next mate.


Speak for your own wife! Many of us take pride in our appearance. I'm 36 and I have two children. I'm 5'9". I was 142 on our wedding day and 148 today. I work out daily and am MORE fit today than my wedding day, plus I have a new set of tits.

I still want to look hot for my DH and I want to look hot for myself. Most of my friends are like this too.


Hence use of the word "most" not "all." Defensive much?


Wow, you put PP in her place, you clever lad, you. "Most" women behave like subhumans, not "all."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What's your excuse for not realizing this before you were married?


She probably did realize this. But like many women, they believe they can change the guy after they marry. Combine this with the pressure to show they have found someone to marry and they go into it with their eyes wide open as they plan that dream wedding where they walk down the aisle.

I have seen this over and over again. They then have a child/children and things probably get worse in terms of the differences and they want out because they are unhappy and the situation has become untenable for them.

Marriage vows are disposable like Kleenex........ give it a while and they then are looking for "Mr Right" all over again because they believe he is there somewhere.
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Anonymous wrote:I am with you OP. I am thinking of dumping my wife. She was an attractive woman when I married her but she has put on over 70 pounds since we married and I am quite honestly embarrassed to be seen with her.

Things do change sometimes in terms of personality and other times in terms of looks.


Goes with the territory: most women once they get married put on the pounds like there is no tomorrow. They are motivated to lose the weight after divorce or separation while on the prowl in search of their next mate.


Speak for your own wife! Many of us take pride in our appearance. I'm 36 and I have two children. I'm 5'9". I was 142 on our wedding day and 148 today. I work out daily and am MORE fit today than my wedding day, plus I have a new set of tits.

I still want to look hot for my DH and I want to look hot for myself. Most of my friends are like this too.


Hence use of the word "most" not "all." Defensive much?


Wow, you put PP in her place, you clever lad, you. "Most" women behave like subhumans, not "all."


Not the PP who posted the comment you are responding to but .....WTF?

I guess the overweight/obese women are on the war path!
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Anonymous wrote:I am with you OP. I am thinking of dumping my wife. She was an attractive woman when I married her but she has put on over 70 pounds since we married and I am quite honestly embarrassed to be seen with her.

Things do change sometimes in terms of personality and other times in terms of looks.


Goes with the territory: most women once they get married put on the pounds like there is no tomorrow. They are motivated to lose the weight after divorce or separation while on the prowl in search of their next mate.


Speak for your own wife! Many of us take pride in our appearance. I'm 36 and I have two children. I'm 5'9". I was 142 on our wedding day and 148 today. I work out daily and am MORE fit today than my wedding day, plus I have a new set of tits.

I still want to look hot for my DH and I want to look hot for myself. Most of my friends are like this too.


Gross.
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Anonymous wrote:I am with you OP. I am thinking of dumping my wife. She was an attractive woman when I married her but she has put on over 70 pounds since we married and I am quite honestly embarrassed to be seen with her.

Things do change sometimes in terms of personality and other times in terms of looks.


Goes with the territory: most women once they get married put on the pounds like there is no tomorrow. They are motivated to lose the weight after divorce or separation while on the prowl in search of their next mate.


Speak for your own wife! Many of us take pride in our appearance. I'm 36 and I have two children. I'm 5'9". I was 142 on our wedding day and 148 today. I work out daily and am MORE fit today than my wedding day, plus I have a new set of tits.

I still want to look hot for my DH and I want to look hot for myself. Most of my friends are like this too.


Gross.


How is that gross? Good for her for putting in the effort. It's important to stay in shape and try to be attractive for your spouse. That goes for both men and women.
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Anonymous wrote:I am with you OP. I am thinking of dumping my wife. She was an attractive woman when I married her but she has put on over 70 pounds since we married and I am quite honestly embarrassed to be seen with her.

Things do change sometimes in terms of personality and other times in terms of looks.


Goes with the territory: most women once they get married put on the pounds like there is no tomorrow. They are motivated to lose the weight after divorce or separation while on the prowl in search of their next mate.


Speak for your own wife! Many of us take pride in our appearance. I'm 36 and I have two children. I'm 5'9". I was 142 on our wedding day and 148 today. I work out daily and am MORE fit today than my wedding day, plus I have a new set of tits.

I still want to look hot for my DH and I want to look hot for myself. Most of my friends are like this too.


Hence use of the word "most" not "all." Defensive much?


Wow, you put PP in her place, you clever lad, you. "Most" women behave like subhumans, not "all."


Not the PP who posted the comment you are responding to but .....WTF?

I guess the overweight/obese women are on the war path!


What the what? I'm a size 2 who's not a fan of misogynists. I guess this is the kind of thread that draws all you misogynists for your periodic spew!
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What the what? I'm a size 2 who's not a fan of misogynists. I guess this is the kind of thread that draws all you misogynists for your periodic spew!


What is with this misogyny b-s? Any criticism of women - in fact, anything that is perceived to adversely affect women's interests - is automatically attributed to misogynistic behavior.

The reality is that some men don't like overweight women and find them quite unattractive - and let's face it, there is no shortage of overweight/obese women. No different than women who don't like men who are shorter than them. And, yes, many women let themselves go after they get married and attribute it to having children.

Even the Hobby Lobby decision - which people can disagree on - is immediately attributed to misogynistic male justices.

Ludicrous.........
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