"America the Beautiful" a 'Christian anthem'?

[Anonymous]

Religion and patriotism do not mix. Patriotism creates 'us' and that philosophy excludes the rest of mankind.
Religion is for all of mankind (or at least supposed to be).

That's so cute and wonderfully naïve. Religion has always been about "us" vs. "them," from the polytheistic times to modern day.

Have you actually read the Old Testament to read about what the Israelites did to Caananites allegedly on orders from God? And then there were the Crusades to "drive the Infidel from the Holy Land."

Even if you're not talking about a "kill the adherents of the other religion," proselytizing religions like two of the three Abrahamic religions, is all about setting up us vs. them.

2 Corinthians 4:4 "In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

The Bible teaches that there is no other way to salvation than through Christ. Jesus says in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

In other words, there's "us" and then there's those heathen "non-believers" over there who we need to convert to believing our way so they can be "saved."

Then, even without political motivations, you have the individual schisms within Islam (Sunni vs. Shia) and those within Christianity.

There isn't much that is more divisive in this world than religion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it was already noted that America is actually a hijacking of the tune of the hymn Oh Mother Dear, Jerusalem. So, like My Country Tis of Thee (stolen from God Save the King/Queen), The Battle Hymn of the Republic (John Brown's Body), and The National Anthem (a London social club's song), our national songs are all second hand (except for God Bless America, written by an immigrant).

And since we are talking about a hymn being sung in foreign languages, do you suppose Leahy thinks Silent Night and Oh Come All Ye Faithful were written in English?

Who cares where songs originated or if Christmas songs are sung in other languages. The whole point for coke was to say this is our song but since people in our country don't want to learn English like all other immigrants have, we better start singing it in 5-10 languages.

Why don't we sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl in 5 languages too. How about drill sargents need to be trilingual, teachers speak lessons in various languages? Let's keep accommodating people that CHOOSE not to assimilate. Whether you all chime in with English is not the United States language or not, you can not deny it is the spoken language here for hundreds of years. Only tourist areas offered multiple language signs/paperwork. But these days there is a demand for translators in schools, paperwork to go home in 4 languages, tv channels in multiple languages but if we continue down a path of dependency of home country languages in the United States, our own country will continue to lose government taxes on accommodating this, we will divide even more as a nation and the melting pot will no longer be melting together very much. There needs to communication, compassion, comradery, patriotism and I don't see a country based on 95% English for hundreds of years, continue down that path if immigrants do not learn English and we turn into a country divided among multiple languages. Why is it bad to expect that of them? To learn English? The more we accommodate the less they have to learn and the more we pay. I am all for diversity and learning other languages but if those immigrants in the Coke commercial can not sing a patriotic American song in the language our country has grown on, then that is the problem. I would have loved and appreciated it so much more to see immigrants learning the song and singing it together as one in English. But it sounds like I am in the minority. Oh well.

You yelling they people CHOOSE not to assimilate does not make it true. Today's immigrants are doing exactly what prior generations did. And generations back there was some guy like you and they called him a nativist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it was already noted that America is actually a hijacking of the tune of the hymn Oh Mother Dear, Jerusalem. So, like My Country Tis of Thee (stolen from God Save the King/Queen), The Battle Hymn of the Republic (John Brown's Body), and The National Anthem (a London social club's song), our national songs are all second hand (except for God Bless America, written by an immigrant).

And since we are talking about a hymn being sung in foreign languages, do you suppose Leahy thinks Silent Night and Oh Come All Ye Faithful were written in English?

Who cares where songs originated or if Christmas songs are sung in other languages. The whole point for coke was to say this is our song but since people in our country don't want to learn English like all other immigrants have, we better start singing it in 5-10 languages.

Why don't we sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl in 5 languages too. How about drill sargents need to be trilingual, teachers speak lessons in various languages? Let's keep accommodating people that CHOOSE not to assimilate. Whether you all chime in with English is not the United States language or not, you can not deny it is the spoken language here for hundreds of years. Only tourist areas offered multiple language signs/paperwork. But these days there is a demand for translators in schools, paperwork to go home in 4 languages, tv channels in multiple languages but if we continue down a path of dependency of home country languages in the United States, our own country will continue to lose government taxes on accommodating this, we will divide even more as a nation and the melting pot will no longer be melting together very much. There needs to communication, compassion, comradery, patriotism and I don't see a country based on 95% English for hundreds of years, continue down that path if immigrants do not learn English and we turn into a country divided among multiple languages. Why is it bad to expect that of them? To learn English? The more we accommodate the less they have to learn and the more we pay. I am all for diversity and learning other languages but if those immigrants in the Coke commercial can not sing a patriotic American song in the language our country has grown on, then that is the problem. I would have loved and appreciated it so much more to see immigrants learning the song and singing it together as one in English. But it sounds like I am in the minority. Oh well.

Jesus H Christ. THAT is what you took away from the commercial?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it was already noted that America is actually a hijacking of the tune of the hymn Oh Mother Dear, Jerusalem. So, like My Country Tis of Thee (stolen from God Save the King/Queen), The Battle Hymn of the Republic (John Brown's Body), and The National Anthem (a London social club's song), our national songs are all second hand (except for God Bless America, written by an immigrant).

And since we are talking about a hymn being sung in foreign languages, do you suppose Leahy thinks Silent Night and Oh Come All Ye Faithful were written in English?

Who cares where songs originated or if Christmas songs are sung in other languages. The whole point for coke was to say this is our song but since people in our country don't want to learn English like all other immigrants have, we better start singing it in 5-10 languages.

Why don't we sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl in 5 languages too. How about drill sargents need to be trilingual, teachers speak lessons in various languages? Let's keep accommodating people that CHOOSE not to assimilate. Whether you all chime in with English is not the United States language or not, you can not deny it is the spoken language here for hundreds of years. Only tourist areas offered multiple language signs/paperwork. But these days there is a demand for translators in schools, paperwork to go home in 4 languages, tv channels in multiple languages but if we continue down a path of dependency of home country languages in the United States, our own country will continue to lose government taxes on accommodating this, we will divide even more as a nation and the melting pot will no longer be melting together very much. There needs to communication, compassion, comradery, patriotism and I don't see a country based on 95% English for hundreds of years, continue down that path if immigrants do not learn English and we turn into a country divided among multiple languages. Why is it bad to expect that of them? To learn English? The more we accommodate the less they have to learn and the more we pay. I am all for diversity and learning other languages but if those immigrants in the Coke commercial can not sing a patriotic American song in the language our country has grown on, then that is the problem. I would have loved and appreciated it so much more to see immigrants learning the song and singing it together as one in English. But it sounds like I am in the minority. Oh well.

Jesus H Christ. THAT is what you took away from the commercial?

Y'all some dumb muthafuckas

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it was already noted that America is actually a hijacking of the tune of the hymn Oh Mother Dear, Jerusalem. So, like My Country Tis of Thee (stolen from God Save the King/Queen), The Battle Hymn of the Republic (John Brown's Body), and The National Anthem (a London social club's song), our national songs are all second hand (except for God Bless America, written by an immigrant).

And since we are talking about a hymn being sung in foreign languages, do you suppose Leahy thinks Silent Night and Oh Come All Ye Faithful were written in English?

Who cares where songs originated or if Christmas songs are sung in other languages. The whole point for coke was to say this is our song but since people in our country don't want to learn English like all other immigrants have, we better start singing it in 5-10 languages.

Why don't we sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl in 5 languages too. How about drill sargents need to be trilingual, teachers speak lessons in various languages? Let's keep accommodating people that CHOOSE not to assimilate. Whether you all chime in with English is not the United States language or not, you can not deny it is the spoken language here for hundreds of years. Only tourist areas offered multiple language signs/paperwork. But these days there is a demand for translators in schools, paperwork to go home in 4 languages, tv channels in multiple languages but if we continue down a path of dependency of home country languages in the United States, our own country will continue to lose government taxes on accommodating this, we will divide even more as a nation and the melting pot will no longer be melting together very much. There needs to communication, compassion, comradery, patriotism and I don't see a country based on 95% English for hundreds of years, continue down that path if immigrants do not learn English and we turn into a country divided among multiple languages. Why is it bad to expect that of them? To learn English? The more we accommodate the less they have to learn and the more we pay. I am all for diversity and learning other languages but if those immigrants in the Coke commercial can not sing a patriotic American song in the language our country has grown on, then that is the problem. I would have loved and appreciated it so much more to see immigrants learning the song and singing it together as one in English. But it sounds like I am in the minority. Oh well.

Jesus H Christ. THAT is what you took away from the commercial?

You are repulsive taking the Lord's name in vain. Disgusting. To prove what? You didn't agree with someone's opinion. Why not just put what you took away from it instead of this useless horrific comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Religion and patriotism do not mix. Patriotism creates 'us' and that philosophy excludes the rest of mankind.
Religion is for all of mankind (or at least supposed to be).

That's so cute and wonderfully naïve. Religion has always been about "us" vs. "them," from the polytheistic times to modern day.

Have you actually read the Old Testament to read about what the Israelites did to Caananites allegedly on orders from God? And then there were the Crusades to "drive the Infidels

Well, it is the God of all people, not tribal divinity, so in His eyes we are equal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it was already noted that America is actually a hijacking of the tune of the hymn Oh Mother Dear, Jerusalem. So, like My Country Tis of Thee (stolen from God Save the King/Queen), The Battle Hymn of the Republic (John Brown's Body), and The National Anthem (a London social club's song), our national songs are all second hand (except for God Bless America, written by an immigrant).

And since we are talking about a hymn being sung in foreign languages, do you suppose Leahy thinks Silent Night and Oh Come All Ye Faithful were written in English?

Who cares where songs originated or if Christmas songs are sung in other languages. The whole point for coke was to say this is our song but since people in our country don't want to learn English like all other immigrants have, we better start singing it in 5-10 languages.

Why don't we sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl in 5 languages too. How about drill sargents need to be trilingual, teachers speak lessons in various languages? Let's keep accommodating people that CHOOSE not to assimilate. Whether you all chime in with English is not the United States language or not, you can not deny it is the spoken language here for hundreds of years. Only tourist areas offered multiple language signs/paperwork. But these days there is a demand for translators in schools, paperwork to go home in 4 languages, tv channels in multiple languages but if we continue down a path of dependency of home country languages in the United States, our own country will continue to lose government taxes on accommodating this, we will divide even more as a nation and the melting pot will no longer be melting together very much. There needs to communication, compassion, comradery, patriotism and I don't see a country based on 95% English for hundreds of years, continue down that path if immigrants do not learn English and we turn into a country divided among multiple languages. Why is it bad to expect that of them? To learn English? The more we accommodate the less they have to learn and the more we pay. I am all for diversity and learning other languages but if those immigrants in the Coke commercial can not sing a patriotic American song in the language our country has grown on, then that is the problem. I would have loved and appreciated it so much more to see immigrants learning the song and singing it together as one in English. But it sounds like I am in the minority. Oh well.

Jesus H Christ. THAT is what you took away from the commercial?

You are repulsive taking the Lord's name in vain. Disgusting. To prove what? You didn't agree with someone's opinion. Why not just put what you took away from it instead of this useless horrific comment.

No, actually, what is repulsive is the xenophobes who are using a coca-cola commercial as an outlet for their prejudices.
And, PS, I don't think the comment is "repulsive" or "horrific." You don't agree with that opinion yet you use some pretty strong words yourself there. Pot, meet kettle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Religion and patriotism do not mix. Patriotism creates 'us' and that philosophy excludes the rest of mankind.
Religion is for all of mankind (or at least supposed to be).

That's so cute and wonderfully naïve. Religion has always been about "us" vs. "them," from the polytheistic times to modern day.

Have you actually read the Old Testament to read about what the Israelites did to Caananites allegedly on orders from God? And then there were the Crusades to "drive the Infidels

Well, it is the God of all people, not tribal divinity, so in His eyes we are equal

I'm not really sure what your point is.

The divisive nature of religion stems from the fact that, like you, everyone views "their God" as the "God of all people" and their way of worshipping their God as the only correct way that the "God of all people" wants to be worshipped.

Thus, you get each group believing with religious fervor that all other groups who believe anything different are wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it was already noted that America is actually a hijacking of the tune of the hymn Oh Mother Dear, Jerusalem. So, like My Country Tis of Thee (stolen from God Save the King/Queen), The Battle Hymn of the Republic (John Brown's Body), and The National Anthem (a London social club's song), our national songs are all second hand (except for God Bless America, written by an immigrant).

And since we are talking about a hymn being sung in foreign languages, do you suppose Leahy thinks Silent Night and Oh Come All Ye Faithful were written in English?

Who cares where songs originated or if Christmas songs are sung in other languages. The whole point for coke was to say this is our song but since people in our country don't want to learn English like all other immigrants have, we better start singing it in 5-10 languages.

Why don't we sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl in 5 languages too. How about drill sargents need to be trilingual, teachers speak lessons in various languages? Let's keep accommodating people that CHOOSE not to assimilate. Whether you all chime in with English is not the United States language or not, you can not deny it is the spoken language here for hundreds of years. Only tourist areas offered multiple language signs/paperwork. But these days there is a demand for translators in schools, paperwork to go home in 4 languages, tv channels in multiple languages but if we continue down a path of dependency of home country languages in the United States, our own country will continue to lose government taxes on accommodating this, we will divide even more as a nation and the melting pot will no longer be melting together very much. There needs to communication, compassion, comradery, patriotism and I don't see a country based on 95% English for hundreds of years, continue down that path if immigrants do not learn English and we turn into a country divided among multiple languages. Why is it bad to expect that of them? To learn English? The more we accommodate the less they have to learn and the more we pay. I am all for diversity and learning other languages but if those immigrants in the Coke commercial can not sing a patriotic American song in the language our country has grown on, then that is the problem. I would have loved and appreciated it so much more to see immigrants learning the song and singing it together as one in English. But it sounds like I am in the minority. Oh well.

Jesus H Christ. THAT is what you took away from the commercial?

You are repulsive taking the Lord's name in vain. Disgusting. To prove what? You didn't agree with someone's opinion. Why not just put what you took away from it instead of this useless horrific comment.

No, actually, what is repulsive is the xenophobes who are using a coca-cola commercial as an outlet for their prejudices.
And, PS, I don't think the comment is "repulsive" or "horrific." You don't agree with that opinion yet you use some pretty strong words yourself there. Pot, meet kettle.

Not, the PP but you think saying repulsive and horrific are on the same lines as saying the lord's name in vain and typing it all out here? Um, no. You can try and get people up in arms by claiming xenophobes, racists, crying the lord's name in vain but you really look like a fool. I think you need to calm down and go say a prayer. Not everyone is going to have your opinion but what does Jesus have to do with it? What did he do wrong to you?

[Anonymous]

This is not meant to be snarky, but I'm sure I've heard lots of Christians use "Jesus Christ", or the more enmphatic "Jesus H Christ", as a sign of surprise, disgust, etc. Is the interpretation of that as a sin common among Christians, or just some branches?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not meant to be snarky, but I'm sure I've heard lots of Christians use "Jesus Christ", or the more enmphatic "Jesus H Christ", as a sign of surprise, disgust, etc. Is the interpretation of that as a sin common among Christians, or just some branches?

the poster used faux outrage to deflect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it was already noted that America is actually a hijacking of the tune of the hymn Oh Mother Dear, Jerusalem. So, like My Country Tis of Thee (stolen from God Save the King/Queen), The Battle Hymn of the Republic (John Brown's Body), and The National Anthem (a London social club's song), our national songs are all second hand (except for God Bless America, written by an immigrant).

And since we are talking about a hymn being sung in foreign languages, do you suppose Leahy thinks Silent Night and Oh Come All Ye Faithful were written in English?

Who cares where songs originated or if Christmas songs are sung in other languages. The whole point for coke was to say this is our song but since people in our country don't want to learn English like all other immigrants have, we better start singing it in 5-10 languages.

Why don't we sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl in 5 languages too. How about drill sargents need to be trilingual, teachers speak lessons in various languages? Let's keep accommodating people that CHOOSE not to assimilate. Whether you all chime in with English is not the United States language or not, you can not deny it is the spoken language here for hundreds of years. Only tourist areas offered multiple language signs/paperwork. But these days there is a demand for translators in schools, paperwork to go home in 4 languages, tv channels in multiple languages but if we continue down a path of dependency of home country languages in the United States, our own country will continue to lose government taxes on accommodating this, we will divide even more as a nation and the melting pot will no longer be melting together very much. There needs to communication, compassion, comradery, patriotism and I don't see a country based on 95% English for hundreds of years, continue down that path if immigrants do not learn English and we turn into a country divided among multiple languages. Why is it bad to expect that of them? To learn English? The more we accommodate the less they have to learn and the more we pay. I am all for diversity and learning other languages but if those immigrants in the Coke commercial can not sing a patriotic American song in the language our country has grown on, then that is the problem. I would have loved and appreciated it so much more to see immigrants learning the song and singing it together as one in English. But it sounds like I am in the minority. Oh well.

Jesus H Christ. THAT is what you took away from the commercial?

You are repulsive taking the Lord's name in vain. Disgusting. To prove what? You didn't agree with someone's opinion. Why not just put what you took away from it instead of this useless horrific comment.

No, actually, what is repulsive is the xenophobes who are using a coca-cola commercial as an outlet for their prejudices.
And, PS, I don't think the comment is "repulsive" or "horrific." You don't agree with that opinion yet you use some pretty strong words yourself there. Pot, meet kettle.

Not, the PP but you think saying repulsive and horrific are on the same lines as saying the lord's name in vain and typing it all out here? Um, no. You can try and get people up in arms by claiming xenophobes, racists, crying the lord's name in vain but you really look like a fool. I think you need to calm down and go say a prayer. Not everyone is going to have your opinion but what does Jesus have to do with it? What did he do wrong to you?

I don't need to do anything. I'm not the one riled up by a coca cola commercial. I'm not the one using my religion to condemn . . . well, I'm not even sure what some of you people are upset about. Or how you're interpreting the commercial as anything but a celebration of diversity. I'm sick of people using their religion as some sort of weapon, to hide their prejudices, and to hide behind it to make judgments (political and otherwise). And, then to have the nerve to be offended when someone utters a phrase that offends their delicate ways.

No, I don't think they are on the "the same lines." The ones who need to pray and reflect are the ones taking the moral high ground in some pretty ugly ways.
For the subject of this discussion and for numerous other subjects as well. Until they do, I can't take their outrage seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it was already noted that America is actually a hijacking of the tune of the hymn Oh Mother Dear, Jerusalem. So, like My Country Tis of Thee (stolen from God Save the King/Queen), The Battle Hymn of the Republic (John Brown's Body), and The National Anthem (a London social club's song), our national songs are all second hand (except for God Bless America, written by an immigrant).

And since we are talking about a hymn being sung in foreign languages, do you suppose Leahy thinks Silent Night and Oh Come All Ye Faithful were written in English?

Who cares where songs originated or if Christmas songs are sung in other languages. The whole point for coke was to say this is our song but since people in our country don't want to learn English like all other immigrants have, we better start singing it in 5-10 languages.

Why don't we sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl in 5 languages too. How about drill sargents need to be trilingual, teachers speak lessons in various languages? Let's keep accommodating people that CHOOSE not to assimilate. Whether you all chime in with English is not the United States language or not, you can not deny it is the spoken language here for hundreds of years. Only tourist areas offered multiple language signs/paperwork. But these days there is a demand for translators in schools, paperwork to go home in 4 languages, tv channels in multiple languages but if we continue down a path of dependency of home country languages in the United States, our own country will continue to lose government taxes on accommodating this, we will divide even more as a nation and the melting pot will no longer be melting together very much. There needs to communication, compassion, comradery, patriotism and I don't see a country based on 95% English for hundreds of years, continue down that path if immigrants do not learn English and we turn into a country divided among multiple languages. Why is it bad to expect that of them? To learn English? The more we accommodate the less they have to learn and the more we pay. I am all for diversity and learning other languages but if those immigrants in the Coke commercial can not sing a patriotic American song in the language our country has grown on, then that is the problem. I would have loved and appreciated it so much more to see immigrants learning the song and singing it together as one in English. But it sounds like I am in the minority. Oh well.

Jesus H Christ. THAT is what you took away from the commercial?

You are repulsive taking the Lord's name in vain. Disgusting. To prove what? You didn't agree with someone's opinion. Why not just put what you took away from it instead of this useless horrific comment.

No, actually, what is repulsive is the xenophobes who are using a coca-cola commercial as an outlet for their prejudices.
And, PS, I don't think the comment is "repulsive" or "horrific." You don't agree with that opinion yet you use some pretty strong words yourself there. Pot, meet kettle.

Not, the PP but you think saying repulsive and horrific are on the same lines as saying the lord's name in vain and typing it all out here? Um, no. You can try and get people up in arms by claiming xenophobes, racists, crying the lord's name in vain but you really look like a fool. I think you need to calm down and go say a prayer. Not everyone is going to have your opinion but what does Jesus have to do with it? What did he do wrong to you?

Even Jesus would give you an eye roll for that.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

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