"America the Beautiful" a 'Christian anthem'?

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Anonymous wrote:Ameriac the Beautiful is sung in Catholic Mass. They don't allow secular songs as part of Mass. I have always viewed it as religious and patriotic.

America the Beautiful is a secular song that was co-opted by the Catholic Church. Just because they did so, does not make it a religious song. It is a patriotic American song that as has been pointed out has--as many Americans do--roots from abroad (a borrowed English melody) but it's essence and spirit are American.

And just because you don't think it is a religious song does not mean that everyone else needs to agree with you. It can be both. It can be one or the other.

You do not hold the monopoly on thought PP.

Do English speakers have a monopoly on Christianity? How could you tell that those singers were not Christian?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:cont. The melting pot combines many cultures into one. When everyone is speaking their own language, they will stay in their own groups. Is that really what you want America to be?

Every immigrant group came in here speaking their own language. The older immigrants never picked up English, or maybe badly depending on their age and whether they were working. The younger immigrants picked it up with an accent. The kids born here became fluent. That's how it has always gone, and that's how it is going today. This is America as it has always been, and I am more than fine with it continuing this way. What's more, it's economic suicide not to continue this way. It's damn hard to run a company in the construction industry if you can't tolerate some Spanish in the workplace. Likewise, I could not hire the best people in technology if I stuck to only fluent speakers. In my company you might hear Chinese, Hebrew, and a number of Indian languages. I'm not going to skip the best hires because of their English.

Then why do we all of a sudden have for English, press 1 and Spanish press 2? Why aren't these immigrants "picking up" our language or using their money to boost our own economy instead of sending it back home to their families?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:cont. The melting pot combines many cultures into one. When everyone is speaking their own language, they will stay in their own groups. Is that really what you want America to be?

YES!! We need to have a cultural task force to go around arresting people who have the audacity to speak any language other than English in this country!!

Hey, Gov. Jan Brewer has found DCUM!

I have family out in Arizona and am originally from there. Unless you honestly have been there and know what you are dealing with, you have no right to bash her. She is trying to keep her state safe and not in debt. Just look at liberal California who welcomes illegal immigrants with open arms? They are now 132 billion in debt. Ask the ranchers how they feel about drugs/fire arms being walked across their fields. Their kids can not play. Jobs and farms are being lost. Border patrol are losing their lives. I may not be a Republican but at least she has balls to fight for what she believes in. Fight for the legal citizens of her state. Honestly, most of America has no idea.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:cont. The melting pot combines many cultures into one. When everyone is speaking their own language, they will stay in their own groups. Is that really what you want America to be?

Every immigrant group came in here speaking their own language. The older immigrants never picked up English, or maybe badly depending on their age and whether they were working. The younger immigrants picked it up with an accent. The kids born here became fluent. That's how it has always gone, and that's how it is going today. This is America as it has always been, and I am more than fine with it continuing this way. What's more, it's economic suicide not to continue this way. It's damn hard to run a company in the construction industry if you can't tolerate some Spanish in the workplace. Likewise, I could not hire the best people in technology if I stuck to only fluent speakers. In my company you might hear Chinese, Hebrew, and a number of Indian languages. I'm not going to skip the best hires because of their English.

Then why do we all of a sudden have for English, press 1 and Spanish press 2? Why aren't these immigrants "picking up" our language or using their money to boost our own economy instead of sending it back home to their families?

Someone is going to chime in with "English isn't our language, we don't have a language" Such a stupid retort.

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Anonymous wrote:cont. The melting pot combines many cultures into one. When everyone is speaking their own language, they will stay in their own groups. Is that really what you want America to be?

Every immigrant group came in here speaking their own language. The older immigrants never picked up English, or maybe badly depending on their age and whether they were working. The younger immigrants picked it up with an accent. The kids born here became fluent. That's how it has always gone, and that's how it is going today. This is America as it has always been, and I am more than fine with it continuing this way. What's more, it's economic suicide not to continue this way. It's damn hard to run a company in the construction industry if you can't tolerate some Spanish in the workplace. Likewise, I could not hire the best people in technology if I stuck to only fluent speakers. In my company you might hear Chinese, Hebrew, and a number of Indian languages. I'm not going to skip the best hires because of their English.

Then why do we all of a sudden have for English, press 1 and Spanish press 2? Why aren't these immigrants "picking up" our language or using their money to boost our own economy instead of sending it back home to their families?

Someone is going to chime in with "English isn't our language, we don't have a language" Such a stupid retort.

Why is it stupid? It happens to be true.

You think the "press 1 for English" happened suddenly? Then you're a fool. Government agencies have had translators and have printed publications in multiple languages for YEARS. Especially the big ones. I worked for the agency that prints them so I saw them.

Somehow when traveling abroad, I see other countries accommodating those that speak other languages. We just got back from a country in Europe and all the major cultural sites had signs/tours in multiple language. Hell, in many other countries people speak multiple languages. It's only here in America where people doing so offends some folks' delicate sensitivities.

As for the "immigrants not picking up" our language, it is very often the first generation or two that struggle with the language in this country. I speak from experience. Think of yourself going elsewhere as an older person and how easy that would be for you. But, empathy for others doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

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Anonymous wrote:cont. The melting pot combines many cultures into one. When everyone is speaking their own language, they will stay in their own groups. Is that really what you want America to be?

Every immigrant group came in here speaking their own language. The older immigrants never picked up English, or maybe badly depending on their age and whether they were working. The younger immigrants picked it up with an accent. The kids born here became fluent. That's how it has always gone, and that's how it is going today. This is America as it has always been, and I am more than fine with it continuing this way. What's more, it's economic suicide not to continue this way. It's damn hard to run a company in the construction industry if you can't tolerate some Spanish in the workplace. Likewise, I could not hire the best people in technology if I stuck to only fluent speakers. In my company you might hear Chinese, Hebrew, and a number of Indian languages. I'm not going to skip the best hires because of their English.

Then why do we all of a sudden have for English, press 1 and Spanish press 2? Why aren't these immigrants "picking up" our language or using their money to boost our own economy instead of sending it back home to their families?

Someone is going to chime in with "English isn't our language, we don't have a language" Such a stupid retort.

Why is it stupid? It happens to be true.

You think the "press 1 for English" happened suddenly? Then you're a fool. Government agencies have had translators and have printed publications in multiple languages for YEARS. Especially the big ones. I worked for the agency that prints them so I saw them.

Somehow when traveling abroad, I see other countries accommodating those that speak other languages. We just got back from a country in Europe and all the major cultural sites had signs/tours in multiple language. Hell, in many other countries people speak multiple languages. It's only here in America where people doing so offends some folks' delicate sensitivities.

As for the "immigrants not picking up" our language, it is very often the first generation or two that struggle with the language in this country. I speak from experience. Think of yourself going elsewhere as an older person and how easy that would be for you. But, empathy for others doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

Not PP - I was thinking that this was a pretty reasoned response. And, then you went and threw in the insult. Just couldn't resist, could you?

[Anonymous]

Just look at liberal California who welcomes illegal immigrants with open arms? They are now 132 billion in debt.

Actually, California is running a surplus right now. It's scary how quickly Governor Moonbeam was able to turn Ahnold's bullshit around. And without completely racist stop-and-frisk style policies like Gov. Brewer's.

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Anonymous wrote:cont. The melting pot combines many cultures into one. When everyone is speaking their own language, they will stay in their own groups. Is that really what you want America to be?

Every immigrant group came in here speaking their own language. The older immigrants never picked up English, or maybe badly depending on their age and whether they were working. The younger immigrants picked it up with an accent. The kids born here became fluent. That's how it has always gone, and that's how it is going today. This is America as it has always been, and I am more than fine with it continuing this way. What's more, it's economic suicide not to continue this way. It's damn hard to run a company in the construction industry if you can't tolerate some Spanish in the workplace. Likewise, I could not hire the best people in technology if I stuck to only fluent speakers. In my company you might hear Chinese, Hebrew, and a number of Indian languages. I'm not going to skip the best hires because of their English.

Then why do we all of a sudden have for English, press 1 and Spanish press 2? Why aren't these immigrants "picking up" our language or using their money to boost our own economy instead of sending it back home to their families?

What, now it's bad to save money and to take care of family??? What kind of twisted conservative are you???

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I have family out in Arizona and am originally from there. Unless you honestly have been there and know what you are dealing with, you have no right to bash her. She is trying to keep her state safe and not in debt. Just look at liberal California who welcomes illegal immigrants with open arms? They are now 132 billion in debt. Ask the ranchers how they feel about drugs/fire arms being walked across their fields. Their kids can not play. Jobs and farms are being lost. Border patrol are losing their lives. I may not be a Republican but at least she has balls to fight for what she believes in. Fight for the legal citizens of her state. Honestly, most of America has no idea.

California is dependent on illegal labor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it was already noted that America is actually a hijacking of the tune of the hymn Oh Mother Dear, Jerusalem. So, like My Country Tis of Thee (stolen from God Save the King/Queen), The Battle Hymn of the Republic (John Brown's Body), and The National Anthem (a London social club's song), our national songs are all second hand (except for God Bless America, written by an immigrant).

And since we are talking about a hymn being sung in foreign languages, do you suppose Leahy thinks Silent Night and Oh Come All Ye Faithful were written in English?

You forgot perhaps the most important American national song/patriotic anthem. It's also an original.

[Anonymous]

Businesses are smart to have options for English and Spanish. Spanish speakers have money to spend just like everybody else, and American business would like to have some of their money. Talk about the American way.

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I have family out in Arizona and am originally from there. Unless you honestly have been there and know what you are dealing with, you have no right to bash her. She is trying to keep her state safe and not in debt. Just look at liberal California who welcomes illegal immigrants with open arms? They are now 132 billion in debt. Ask the ranchers how they feel about drugs/fire arms being walked across their fields. Their kids can not play. Jobs and farms are being lost. Border patrol are losing their lives. I may not be a Republican but at least she has balls to fight for what she believes in. Fight for the legal citizens of her state. Honestly, most of America has no idea.

California is dependent on illegal labor

No, that would be Texas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:cont. The melting pot combines many cultures into one. When everyone is speaking their own language, they will stay in their own groups. Is that really what you want America to be?

Every immigrant group came in here speaking their own language. The older immigrants never picked up English, or maybe badly depending on their age and whether they were working. The younger immigrants picked it up with an accent. The kids born here became fluent. That's how it has always gone, and that's how it is going today. This is America as it has always been, and I am more than fine with it continuing this way. What's more, it's economic suicide not to continue this way. It's damn hard to run a company in the construction industry if you can't tolerate some Spanish in the workplace. Likewise, I could not hire the best people in technology if I stuck to only fluent speakers. In my company you might hear Chinese, Hebrew, and a number of Indian languages. I'm not going to skip the best hires because of their English.

Then why do we all of a sudden have for English, press 1 and Spanish press 2? Why aren't these immigrants "picking up" our language or using their money to boost our own economy instead of sending it back home to their families?

What, now it's bad to save money and to take care of family??? What kind of twisted conservative are you???

They don't pay taxes, they take our taxes for food stamps, subsidized housing, free school, free meals at school, ESOL but send their illegal earnings back to their homeland. You don't see how that affects our economy when there are millions doing it? The only one that wins are the rich hiring them to increase their bottom line.

[Anonymous]

Boy this got away from the topic quick didn't it. From complaints about a fucking song in a commercial being sung in different languages to...shit I don't know what y'all talking about now

[Anonymous]

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I have family out in Arizona and am originally from there. Unless you honestly have been there and know what you are dealing with, you have no right to bash her. She is trying to keep her state safe and not in debt. Just look at liberal California who welcomes illegal immigrants with open arms? They are now 132 billion in debt. Ask the ranchers how they feel about drugs/fire arms being walked across their fields. Their kids can not play. Jobs and farms are being lost. Border patrol are losing their lives. I may not be a Republican but at least she has balls to fight for what she believes in. Fight for the legal citizens of her state. Honestly, most of America has no idea.

California is dependent on illegal labor

No, that would be Texas.

I have lived in both TX and CA, several times in each.

Tx does a far better job integrating their Mexican immigrants into their middle class.

CA's immigration is a disaster and their imigrants are stuck in a cycle of dependency, crime and poverty.

If I was coming to this country to improve my family's life, I would much rather be a Mexican immigrant in TX than CA.