"America the Beautiful" a 'Christian anthem'?

[Anonymous]

In god we trust is on the currency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In god we trust is on the currency.

Yeah, the motto our Founders picked was "E Pluribus Unum". Congress made the switch in 1956. We need to pay attention to the genius of our founders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In god we trust is on the currency.

What's your point? You don't need to believe in God to use money.

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Anonymous wrote:In god we trust is on the currency.

What's your point? You don't need to believe in God to use money.

We should sue to have a rotating list of deities and philosophies. In Allah we trust. In Ganesh we trust. In Mother Earth We Trust. In Science We Trust.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In god we trust is on the currency.

What's your point? You don't need to believe in God to use money.

We should sue to have a rotating list of deities and philosophies. In Allah we trust. In Ganesh we trust. In Mother Earth We Trust. In Science We Trust.

Ah, but science is neither deity nor philosophy. I could get behind that one.

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I have family out in Arizona and am originally from there. Unless you honestly have been there and know what you are dealing with, you have no right to bash her. She is trying to keep her state safe and not in debt. Just look at liberal California who welcomes illegal immigrants with open arms? They are now 132 billion in debt. Ask the ranchers how they feel about drugs/fire arms being walked across their fields. Their kids can not play. Jobs and farms are being lost. Border patrol are losing their lives. I may not be a Republican but at least she has balls to fight for what she believes in. Fight for the legal citizens of her state. Honestly, most of America has no idea.

California is dependent on illegal labor

No, that would be Texas.

I have lived in both TX and CA, several times in each.

Tx does a far better job integrating their Mexican immigrants into their middle class.

CA's immigration is a disaster and their imigrants are stuck in a cycle of dependency, crime and poverty.

If I was coming to this country to improve my family's life, I would much rather be a Mexican immigrant in TX than CA.

If I was going to go to another country to improve my life I wouldn't do it illegally and then demand rights, protest in front of their country's leader's home, not only take but expect handouts, and guilt people into thinking I deserve the same as people doing it legally. But I guess I just have higher morals than others

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it was already noted that America is actually a hijacking of the tune of the hymn Oh Mother Dear, Jerusalem. So, like My Country Tis of Thee (stolen from God Save the King/Queen), The Battle Hymn of the Republic (John Brown's Body), and The National Anthem (a London social club's song), our national songs are all second hand (except for God Bless America, written by an immigrant).

And since we are talking about a hymn being sung in foreign languages, do you suppose Leahy thinks Silent Night and Oh Come All Ye Faithful were written in English?

Who cares where songs originated or if Christmas songs are sung in other languages. The whole point for coke was to say this is our song but since people in our country don't want to learn English like all other immigrants have, we better start singing it in 5-10 languages.

Why don't we sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl in 5 languages too. How about drill sargents need to be trilingual, teachers speak lessons in various languages? Let's keep accommodating people that CHOOSE not to assimilate. Whether you all chime in with English is not the United States language or not, you can not deny it is the spoken language here for hundreds of years. Only tourist areas offered multiple language signs/paperwork. But these days there is a demand for translators in schools, paperwork to go home in 4 languages, tv channels in multiple languages but if we continue down a path of dependency of home country languages in the United States, our own country will continue to lose government taxes on accommodating this, we will divide even more as a nation and the melting pot will no longer be melting together very much. There needs to communication, compassion, comradery, patriotism and I don't see a country based on 95% English for hundreds of years, continue down that path if immigrants do not learn English and we turn into a country divided among multiple languages. Why is it bad to expect that of them? To learn English? The more we accommodate the less they have to learn and the more we pay. I am all for diversity and learning other languages but if those immigrants in the Coke commercial can not sing a patriotic American song in the language our country has grown on, then that is the problem. I would have loved and appreciated it so much more to see immigrants learning the song and singing it together as one in English. But it sounds like I am in the minority. Oh well.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it was already noted that America is actually a hijacking of the tune of the hymn Oh Mother Dear, Jerusalem. So, like My Country Tis of Thee (stolen from God Save the King/Queen), The Battle Hymn of the Republic (John Brown's Body), and The National Anthem (a London social club's song), our national songs are all second hand (except for God Bless America, written by an immigrant).

And since we are talking about a hymn being sung in foreign languages, do you suppose Leahy thinks Silent Night and Oh Come All Ye Faithful were written in English?

Who cares where songs originated or if Christmas songs are sung in other languages. The whole point for coke was to say this is our song but since people in our country don't want to learn English like all other immigrants have, we better start singing it in 5-10 languages.

Why don't we sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl in 5 languages too. How about drill sargents need to be trilingual, teachers speak lessons in various languages? Let's keep accommodating people that CHOOSE not to assimilate. Whether you all chime in with English is not the United States language or not, you can not deny it is the spoken language here for hundreds of years. Only tourist areas offered multiple language signs/paperwork. But these days there is a demand for translators in schools, paperwork to go home in 4 languages, tv channels in multiple languages but if we continue down a path of dependency of home country languages in the United States, our own country will continue to lose government taxes on accommodating this, we will divide even more as a nation and the melting pot will no longer be melting together very much. There needs to communication, compassion, comradery, patriotism and I don't see a country based on 95% English for hundreds of years, continue down that path if immigrants do not learn English and we turn into a country divided among multiple languages. Why is it bad to expect that of them? To learn English? The more we accommodate the less they have to learn and the more we pay. I am all for diversity and learning other languages but if those immigrants in the Coke commercial can not sing a patriotic American song in the language our country has grown on, then that is the problem. I would have loved and appreciated it so much more to see immigrants learning the song and singing it together as one in English. But it sounds like I am in the minority. Oh well.

+1000
You may be in the minority here, but there are a lot of people outside the Liberal DCUM who agree with you.

[Anonymous]

But it sounds like I am in the minority

Actually, if you were a minority I doubt you'd be taking the position you are.

Here's the poem on the Statue of Liberty:

The New Colossus

By Emma Lazarus, 1883

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I guess Emma forgot to include the line about "You're only welcome if you learn our language."

[Anonymous]

You morons do realize that entire the premise for your tirade stems from a fucking Coca Cola commercial that aired during the Super Bowl

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ameriac the Beautiful is sung in Catholic Mass. They don't allow secular songs as part of Mass. I have always viewed it as religious and patriotic.

Religion and patriotism do not mix. Patriotism creates 'us' and that philosophy excludes the rest of mankind.
Religion is for all of mankind (or at least supposed to be).
The two philosophies do not have anything in common

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ameriac the Beautiful is sung in Catholic Mass. They don't allow secular songs as part of Mass. I have always viewed it as religious and patriotic.

Religion and patriotism do not mix. Patriotism creates 'us' and that philosophy excludes the rest of mankind.
Religion is for all of mankind (or at least supposed to be).
The two philosophies do not have anything in common

When I was a kid, they played "Blowin' in the Wind" in Catholic Mass. I have also heard "Morning Has Broken" by Cat Stevens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ameriac the Beautiful is sung in Catholic Mass. They don't allow secular songs as part of Mass. I have always viewed it as religious and patriotic.

Religion and patriotism do not mix. Patriotism creates 'us' and that philosophy excludes the rest of mankind.
Religion is for all of mankind (or at least supposed to be).
The two philosophies do not have anything in common

When I was a kid, they played "Blowin' in the Wind" in Catholic Mass. I have also heard "Morning Has Broken" by Cat Stevens.

I don't know about Blowin in the Wind, but Morning Has Broken was originally a hymn:
"Morning Has Broken" is a popular and well-known Christian hymn first published in 1931. It has words by English author Eleanor Farjeon and is set to a traditional Scottish Gaelic tune known as "Bunessan" (it shares this tune with the 19th century Christmas Carol "Child in the Manger"[1]). It is often sung in children's services. English pop musician and folk singer Cat Stevens (known as Yusuf Islam since 1978) included a version on his 1971 album Teaser and the Firecat. The song became identified with Stevens when it reached number six on the US Billboard Hot 100 and number one on the US easy listening chart in 1972.[2] (from Wikipedia)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ameriac the Beautiful is sung in Catholic Mass. They don't allow secular songs as part of Mass. I have always viewed it as religious and patriotic.

Religion and patriotism do not mix. Patriotism creates 'us' and that philosophy excludes the rest of mankind.
Religion is for all of mankind (or at least supposed to be).
The two philosophies do not have anything in common

When I was a kid, they played "Blowin' in the Wind" in Catholic Mass. I have also heard "Morning Has Broken" by Cat Stevens.

Here is some info on Blowin' in the Wind, also from Wikipedia:
Pete Seeger who first identified the melody of "Blowin' in the Wind" as Dylan's adaptation of the old Negro spiritual "No More Auction Block". According to Alan Lomax's The Folk Songs of North America, the song originated in Canada and was sung by former slaves who fled there after Britain abolished slavery in 1833. In 1978, Dylan acknowledged the source when he told journalist Marc Rowland: "'Blowin' in the Wind' has always been a spiritual. I took it off a song called 'No More Auction Block' – that's a spiritual and 'Blowin' in the Wind' follows the same feeling."[7] Dylan's performance of "No More Auction Block" was recorded at the Gaslight Cafe in October 1962, and appeared on The Bootleg Series Volumes 1–3 (Rare & Unreleased) 1961–1991.
Dylan critic Michael Gray has suggested that the lyric is an example of Dylan's incorporation of Biblical rhetoric into his own style. A particular rhetorical form deployed time and again in the New Testament and based on a text from the Old Testament book of Ezekiel (12:1–2) is: "The word of the Lord came to me: 'Oh mortal, you dwell among the rebellious breed. They have eyes to see but see not; ears to hear, but hear not." In "Blowin' in the Wind", Dylan transforms this into "Yes'n' how many ears must one man have ...?" and "Yes' n' how many times must a man turn his head / Pretending he just doesn't see?"[8]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ameriac the Beautiful is sung in Catholic Mass. They don't allow secular songs as part of Mass. I have always viewed it as religious and patriotic.

Religion and patriotism do not mix. Patriotism creates 'us' and that philosophy excludes the rest of mankind.
Religion is for all of mankind (or at least supposed to be).
The two philosophies do not have anything in common

When I was a kid, they played "Blowin' in the Wind" in Catholic Mass. I have also heard "Morning Has Broken" by Cat Stevens.

Here is some info on Blowin' in the Wind, also from Wikipedia:
Pete Seeger who first identified the melody of "Blowin' in the Wind" as Dylan's adaptation of the old Negro spiritual "No More Auction Block". According to Alan Lomax's The Folk Songs of North America, the song originated in Canada and was sung by former slaves who fled there after Britain abolished slavery in 1833. In 1978, Dylan acknowledged the source when he told journalist Marc Rowland: "'Blowin' in the Wind' has always been a spiritual. I took it off a song called 'No More Auction Block' – that's a spiritual and 'Blowin' in the Wind' follows the same feeling."[7] Dylan's performance of "No More Auction Block" was recorded at the Gaslight Cafe in October 1962, and appeared on The Bootleg Series Volumes 1–3 (Rare & Unreleased) 1961–1991.
Dylan critic Michael Gray has suggested that the lyric is an example of Dylan's incorporation of Biblical rhetoric into his own style. A particular rhetorical form deployed time and again in the New Testament and based on a text from the Old Testament book of Ezekiel (12:1–2) is: "The word of the Lord came to me: 'Oh mortal, you dwell among the rebellious breed. They have eyes to see but see not; ears to hear, but hear not." In "Blowin' in the Wind", Dylan transforms this into "Yes'n' how many ears must one man have ...?" and "Yes' n' how many times must a man turn his head / Pretending he just doesn't see?"[8]

Let's be clear, when someone says a Negro Spiritual, that does not make it religious. The lyrics of No More Auction Block are:

No more auction block for me,
No more, no more.
No more auction block for me,
Many thousands gone.

No more pint of salt for me,
No more, no more.
No more pint of salt for me,
Many thousands gone.

No more driver's lash for me,
No more, no more.
No more driver's lash for me,
Many thousands gone.

No more auction block for me,
No more, no more.
No more auction block for me,
Many thousands gone.

I daresay any atheist who was a slave could sing this song and mean it.