Chris Christie scares me

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Comments about his obesity on this board are disappointing. Are you going to condemn Hillary for being an enabler of a serial adulterer? Someone who constantly demeaned her by his behavior?

Yes, actually. I will never understand why she didn't leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a center-left Democrat, have voted Democrat since I became old enough in the Reagan era, voted for Obama twice and still support him. I think Republicans are extremist, lying, incompetent, corrupt, and concerned only with the interests of the rich and the religious right. They have made a wreck of our country, as hard as they can, every time they've held power in my lifetime.

And I gotta say, I like this guy. I really do. I'm scared of how broad his appeal could be in two years.

I haven't read all the responses but I wanted to address the statement in bold.

I find it frightening that anyone, Republican or Democrat, votes down party lines.

[Anonymous]

OP here. I'm not a party-line voter. I don't identify as "I'm a Democrat, my party, right or wrong." I grew up in a state where everyone voted Republican, and if Republicans lived up to their claimed values of individual liberty, small government, fiscal responsibility, etc., I might still vote for them. In my first election, I actually voted for a Republican for Senate and for another for statewide office.

But since that time, I have voted Democrat every time, not out of party loyalty, but because the Republican party has grown more and more extreme, and more and more corrupt, until they're too irresponsible even to speak in public, much less govern.

It's a considered choice, every time. And every time, in my adult voting lifetime, Republicans have proven themselves unworthy of my vote or my trust. To the point that it would be irresponsible to even consider voting Republican.

Those who vote for third party candidates, or who in this day and age "vote for the candidate, not the party," are naive and their votes are ineffectual. There are only two parties in power, and the only votes that matter in Congress are the organizing vote on the first day. Everything else is done in lockstep and it's absolutely naive to think that any vote by your representative counts other than that first one.

The point of my statement was not that I'm a loyal Democrat. I'm not. It was that Republicans can't be trusted under any circumstance.

Which is why this guy's personal appeal scares me. I'm afraid of the large part of the electorate out there for whom personality matters. The "Reagan Democrats" and the people who think it's important to like your President or want to have a beer with him. I'm not one of those voters, but I'm scared of the ones who are.

[Anonymous]

Those who vote for third party candidates, or who in this day and age "vote for the candidate, not the party," are naive and their votes are ineffectual. There are only two parties in power, and the only votes that matter in Congress are the organizing vote on the first day. Everything else is done in lockstep and it's absolutely naive to think that any vote by your representative counts other than that first one.

I think you are sadly mistake and people should vote for the person they see fit. If it means that their candidate doesn't win, so be it, their vote is still being counted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Those who vote for third party candidates, or who in this day and age "vote for the candidate, not the party," are naive and their votes are ineffectual. There are only two parties in power, and the only votes that matter in Congress are the organizing vote on the first day. Everything else is done in lockstep and it's absolutely naive to think that any vote by your representative counts other than that first one.

I think you are sadly mistake and people should vote for the person they see fit. If it means that their candidate doesn't win, so be it, their vote is still being counted.

Yes it's being counted, but it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Those who vote for third party candidates, or who in this day and age "vote for the candidate, not the party," are naive and their votes are ineffectual. There are only two parties in power, and the only votes that matter in Congress are the organizing vote on the first day. Everything else is done in lockstep and it's absolutely naive to think that any vote by your representative counts other than that first one.

I think you are sadly mistake and people should vote for the person they see fit. If it means that their candidate doesn't win, so be it, their vote is still being counted.

I think that even you can realize that if there is a choice between these candidates, the only logical choice is to vote for Hoover.

Candidate Poll Numbers:
Adolph Hitler: 46%
Herbert Hoover: 46%
Moses: 8%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Those who vote for third party candidates, or who in this day and age "vote for the candidate, not the party," are naive and their votes are ineffectual. There are only two parties in power, and the only votes that matter in Congress are the organizing vote on the first day. Everything else is done in lockstep and it's absolutely naive to think that any vote by your representative counts other than that first one.

I think you are sadly mistake and people should vote for the person they see fit. If it means that their candidate doesn't win, so be it, their vote is still being counted.

I think that even you can realize that if there is a choice between these candidates, the only logical choice is to vote for Hoover.

Candidate Poll Numbers:
Adolph Hitler: 46%
Herbert Hoover: 46%
Moses: 8%

Let's say I'm a Dem and so is Hitler. I'd vote Republican. Yes, Moses is awesome, but I don't think he'd be the best person in office.
More importantly I'll vote in all local elections and primaries where my vote matters more because there isn't an E.C.

[Anonymous]

Do you really think the Democratic Party would nominate Hitler? That seems unlikely. Thus, you would not have to vote Republican.

This is an example of why using Hitler analogies is rarely useful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you really think the Democratic Party would nominate Hitler? That seems unlikely. Thus, you would not have to vote Republican.

This is an example of why using Hitler analogies is rarely useful.

The problem is not the analogy. The problem is trying to affix real political parties to what is essentially game theory problem. You wouldn't try to figure out the prisoner's dllemma by saying "well I'd never make a deal with Geoffrey Dahmer". The point is that it is in your interest to vote for your second favorite candidate if your actions, in concert with a large number of like-minded people, would prevent the election of someone who is detestable to you.