Ravi guilty on all major counts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like many Americans, I believe that gay sex is deviant, disgusting and immoral. I think gay "marriange" goes against many thousands of years of human social interaction and is ridiculous. My religion teaches that homosexual acts are a sin. I hate the sin, but don't hate the sinner.

Have I committed a hate crime when I express my view?

No, you're just a bigot. I am uncomfortable with this move towards making select crimes "hate" crimes. But that doesn't make you any less of a bigot.

Do you always insult those with whom you disagree, particularly when their moral views are grounded in their religious beliefs?

And by the way, why are advocates of gay marriage "scared straight" to put it on the ballot? Perhaps they know that the majority of Americans don't suport it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The older boyfriend must have had a place where they could have gone and done it
And the man jumped off the bridge because the older boyfriend dumped him

The viewing Ravi arranged was so public everybody knew. He must have known about it.
But his exhibitionist tendencies took the best of him.

Woa.
Is that a fact that BF dumped him?
Also, I am also not sure why they continued to have sex in that room knowing that Ravi had taped it. However, I would not call it exhibitionism. One can only guess about why TC did not stop engaging in sex in that room.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The older boyfriend must have had a place where they could have gone and done it
And the man jumped off the bridge because the older boyfriend dumped him

The viewing Ravi arranged was so public everybody knew. He must have known about it.
But his exhibitionist tendencies took the best of him.

Woa.
Is that a fact that BF dumped him?
Also, I am also not sure why they continued to have sex in that room knowing that Ravi had taped it. However, I would not call it exhibitionism. One can only guess about why TC did not stop engaging in sex in that room.

Read the New Yorker article. It will answer a lot of your questions. Tyler turned off the webcam as soon as he found out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ravi's upbringing may have had something to do with what he did, but blaming his parents for what he did doesn't make sense to me. He's a grown up, he's responsible for what he did.

By the same token, my parents, who raised me in a violent and abusive home, don't get credit because I'm neither violent nor abusive. As an adult I'm 100% responsible for being a constructive member of my community - if I weren't, I'd be entirely responsible for that, too.

This is debatable. He was 3 weeks into his freshman year of college and his first experience living on his own. Before that he'd had everything handed to him his entire life and had little experience outside of his own upper-middle-class bubble. Yes he was legally an adult, but he was still very much a product of his upbringing. This is different from someone who has lived on their own, supported themselves, and had the chance to experience the world and develop their own value system, which I assume you have. Ravi is the one going to prison, of course, because he is ultimately responsible, but I absolutely think that with different parents he could have been a much better person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woa.
Is that a fact that BF dumped him?
Also, I am also not sure why they continued to have sex in that room knowing that Ravi had taped it. However, I would not call it exhibitionism. One can only guess about why TC did not stop engaging in sex in that room.

Read the New Yorker article. It will answer a lot of your questions. Tyler turned off the webcam as soon as he found out.

So then the webcam was not the reason he jumped off the bridge

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The older boyfriend must have had a place where they could have gone and done it
And the man jumped off the bridge because the older boyfriend dumped him

The viewing Ravi arranged was so public everybody knew. He must have known about it.
But his exhibitionist tendencies took the best of him.

Woa.
Is that a fact that BF dumped him?
Also, I am also not sure why they continued to have sex in that room knowing that Ravi had taped it. However, I would not call it exhibitionism. One can only guess about why TC did not stop engaging in sex in that room.

Read the New Yorker article. It will answer a lot of your questions. Tyler turned off the webcam as soon as he found out.

I read the article, and copied it for my kids to read. Still don't remember anything about BF dumping him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think you have to consider how lots of Indian males are raised. They are the apple of their parents’ eye -- I know all kids are -- but many Indian boys are raised believing that they are so super special that they can do no wrong. It breeds an arrogance that leads many to believe they can say or do anything to anyone and get away with it because they are so smart and so special and the other person is nothing because they are unattractive, poor, whatever; I mean even his HS ‘friends’ came out in the New Yorker article saying that he acted like a d!ck most of the time. In terms of strictness at home -- there is strictness about being smart, picking a good profession, being a good student (which he wasn’t with a 2.8 HS gpa according to one article) but there is far less emphasis on being a good human. The values that are ordinarily taught -- such as respect others even if you don’t like their lifestyles/choices, respect everyone regardless of if they’re richer or poorer etc. -- tend to get lost when the parents are constantly validating their sons, ignoring behavior and treatment of others and only harping on academic issues. Being the oldest son and it seems the oldest kid in the extended family/friends circle who had every tech toy he wanted, drove himself to school in a Mercedes etc., I have to imagine that his upbringing played a huge role here. In terms of taking a plea, regardless of deportation issues, I have to imagine he and his family didn’t consider it even with assurances that he’d have state protection against deportation proceedings because they couldn’t conceive that anyone could find him guilty -- ignoring the fact that there is huge sensitivity to issues that indicate even the slightest amount of bullying.

This is all very true. I'm Indian and will vouch for the fact that Indian boys are often raised without much emphasis on 'being a good, compassionate human being'. There is a definite focus on academics and status, but empathy and kindness aren't valued as much.

Obviously not saying this is the case with all Indian parents, but after reading the NYer article, and being Indian myself, I came away with the same thoughts as the PP.

[Anonymous]

When did NY articles become gospel truth?

[Anonymous]

Quote from Ravi from upcoming 20/20 interview:

"So much worse happens," he said. "Kids actually get bullied and actually go through stuff much worse than this. I understand why people feel the need to punish me. Bad stuff happens and they need to set an example, but it's unfortunate this has to be the case where this happens."

Wow. No remorse from this kid. I hope he gets deported.

[Anonymous]

If he gets deported, does he ever have a shot of coming back to the US even just to visit?

[Anonymous]

This is what I do not understand. If he has been in this country legally since childhood, with every intention of staying, why did he not become a naturalized citizen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When did NY articles become gospel truth?

When they are the most comprehensive, reliably-sourced piece on a particular topic. Which they often are--the New Yorker is a very well-respected magazine. If you read this particular article you would see that it was based on computer archives and conversations with people (identified by name) who were very close to the situation. I haven't heard of anything disputing the facts in the article. Have you?

[Anonymous]

Have you heard of the NY times article where they write about reporters who lie, or sometimes make up the truth because they just do not have the time to investigate as much as they should?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Quote from Ravi from upcoming 20/20 interview:

"So much worse happens," he said. "Kids actually get bullied and actually go through stuff much worse than this. I understand why people feel the need to punish me. Bad stuff happens and they need to set an example, but it's unfortunate this has to be the case where this happens."

Wow. No remorse from this kid. I hope he gets deported.

You've quoted selectively. He did apologize. It is unfortunate that this is the test case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like many Americans, I believe that gay sex is deviant, disgusting and immoral. I think gay "marriange" goes against many thousands of years of human social interaction and is ridiculous. My religion teaches that homosexual acts are a sin. I hate the sin, but don't hate the sinner.

Have I committed a hate crime when I express my view?

No, you're just a bigot. I am uncomfortable with this move towards making select crimes "hate" crimes. But that doesn't make you any less of a bigot.

Do you always insult those with whom you disagree, particularly when their moral views are grounded in their religious beliefs?
And by the way, why are advocates of gay marriage "scared straight" to put it on the ballot? Perhaps they know that the majority of Americans don't suport it.

NP here. You ARE a bigot. That's not an insult, it's a 100% factual statement. Your religion is evil and bigoted as well.