Guys, if your wife clearly married you for your money, are you okay with it?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Yea, I'll stick with young handsome men.


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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yea, I'll stick with young handsome men.


+1 Gio Benetiz for the WIN
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OK, I'll bite.

I think there can be a number of situations. I think most often, the guys are very egotistical and/or have inflated senses of entitlement. So, in a way, they are in denial about the mismatch or just think they are the sh!t and rightfully deserve the best women.

And then there are women that truly don't care about looks. Not saying that money isn't a huge pro on the pro/con list, but to many women looks aren't as important as you would think.

I'm no model, but I'm pretty "hot" and was always cute and popular growing up. I've NEVER been interested in looks. As long as I can remember. Even in high school, my friends would be so confused by my crushes. I'm not saying the woman you saw at the mall didn't marry for money, but even if she did, the gap might not seem as wide to her.


Same for me, my friends have always been bit puzzled by my choices, saying "I can do better" because I tend to be considered pretty but they don't understand that I don't value looks as much. I need certain physical traits (unconsciously, always end up with a tall lanky guy) but I am attracted to men I find smart, funny and sweet. I smile when friends who married very good looking/elegant assholes imply that my DH is not playing in my league. Anyway long story short: maybe she married for money, maybe she saw something else in him and is really attracted to him (and money/power/success is attractive to a lot of women, more so than youth and a cute face--not my case but I can understand)
Anonymous
I met my dh when we were much younger. He was super good looking. Time has aged him, and he no longer looks the way he did. I have held up pretty well. I work out, get my hair done, wear nice clothes, etc. I know people are probably trying to figure out what we are doing together. I love him, and even though looks fade, he is the same man on the inside that I married.

My point is that the couple you saw may have been together for a long time. She is just aging better than him.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My wife is 22 yrs my junior. We genuinely enjoy each other's company, is it love, no not in the traditional sense. She loves being Sadie married lady, and the status of being Mrs. Surgeon (liver & transplant). I love every physical attribute, her figure her eyes and the adoring way she acts towards me. I know I married her out of lust and have no reason to think she did any different, just not ludting after the same thing. We both accommodate each others desires, wants and needs quite happily , hence we're both quite fore filled by our relationship. No kids and the prenup ( 8yrs) had 2 yrs to go


This post is really creepy.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I met my dh when we were much younger. He was super good looking. Time has aged him, and he no longer looks the way he did. I have held up pretty well. I work out, get my hair done, wear nice clothes, etc. I know people are probably trying to figure out what we are doing together. I love him, and even though looks fade, he is the same man on the inside that I married.

My point is that the couple you saw may have been together for a long time. She is just aging better than him.


Exactly. I met DH when I was 22 and he was 30. Now we are 49 and 57 and don't look the way we use to He's still the love of my life.
Anonymous
Trick question. All women get married for "the money" or at least with the hope or expectation that they will be able to leech off the man. The ones who don't, even the supposed feminists, are to a lesser or greater degree pissed off that the best they could do was marry a loser. Their fault for not being physically attractive enough to marry better which realization also agitates them. A sexy woman who is willing to suck and fuck after the wedding has nothing to.worry about because everyone knows the score. Most women view marriage as a cold economic transaction and the problems arise when wifey reneges on her part of the bargain.


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Trick question. All women get married for "the money" or at least with the hope or expectation that they will be able to leech off the man. The ones who don't, even the supposed feminists, are to a lesser or greater degree pissed off that the best they could do was marry a loser. Their fault for not being physically attractive enough to marry better which realization also agitates them. A sexy woman who is willing to suck and fuck after the wedding has nothing to.worry about because everyone knows the score. Most women view marriage as a cold economic transaction and the problems arise when wifey reneges on her part of the bargain.




Huh? This may be the reality in your mind, but not for most women with an education.
Anonymous
It's ESPECIALLY true for women with an education because they have the highest sense of unearned entitlement. You don't read many here comllaining about the plumber or garbageman they married. It's the surgeon or lawyer they married that isn't good enough for Little Ms. Snowflake.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Trick question. All women get married for "the money" or at least with the hope or expectation that they will be able to leech off the man. The ones who don't, even the supposed feminists, are to a lesser or greater degree pissed off that the best they could do was marry a loser. Their fault for not being physically attractive enough to marry better which realization also agitates them. A sexy woman who is willing to suck and fuck after the wedding has nothing to.worry about because everyone knows the score. Most women view marriage as a cold economic transaction and the problems arise when wifey reneges on her part of the bargain.




Sorry about your wife reneging, dude.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's ESPECIALLY true for women with an education because they have the highest sense of unearned entitlement. You don't read many here comllaining about the plumber or garbageman they married. It's the surgeon or lawyer they married that isn't good enough for Little Ms. Snowflake.



Where did you come from so that we can send you back? The insecurities in this post are stinking up the joint.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The topic of why we enter relationships is a fascinating one.

In the 1800s in France it was common for bourgeois men to separately maintain 3 "types" of women:

- A wife, who was selected based on reason, i.e. raw intellectual and physical criteria, ability to run a household, capacity to raise good children, political and financial considerations. Divorce was not an option. This was a pragmatic relationship where both parties first and foremost benefited from the union in the material sense, love and sex were only a bonus. Marriage was principally expected to fulfill material needs for the husband, his wife and their children.

- A mistress for love and passion. The most passionate stage of love lasts for the first 2-3 years, so a man could very well have several mistresses over his life. It was common for the man to pay for the mistress's accommodation, buy regular gifts, and generally provide and care for her. Relationships between such lovers were principally expected to fulfill their emotional needs

- Prostitutes for sex. It was fine to have favorites, but these were not relationships of love. These relationships were principally expected to fulfill the man's sexual needs and the woman's financial ones.

I think this was not such a bad model in the end. Before you kill me on the altar of gender equality, please hear me out. Yes, it was relatively male-centric and that is why for ease of understanding, I presented it from the man's perspective. But don't oversimplify this, as women at the time also navigated between these roles, which gave them freedom to fulfill their material, emotional and sexual needs. It was common for example for mistresses to have purely sexual affairs with other men, and to attempt to marry well. It was also possible for married women to discreetly have emotional/ sexual affairs, as long as the household's integrity remained intact.

My point is not to promote a model or another, but to propose that we have recently (last 50 years) been asking way too much of marriage. It is now widely believed that our spouses should fulfill all our material, emotional and sexual needs, constantly and forever. In reality, these different relationship aspects ebb and flow, and when they do, people naturally often conclude that the person is "not right for them". Which is why you see such an incidence of divorce these days.

I do not believe in the absolute "freedom" widely promoted these days, because more "freedom" is not what is needed to ensure our happiness at this stage. What we need is a better societal structure that allows people to fulfill their needs in a healthy way. I don't believe that our current western culture is a healthy one in that regard.

When we are young, we throw ourselves into short-term relationships, changing partners from one day to the next. Many of us have liberal sex with random strangers, and "cheating" is commonplace. Why do we do this? We do this in anticipation for marriage. We are really front-loading our sex and emotional lives, in anticipation for a later marriage to "the one" which we know will necessarily entail sexual and emotional exclusivity - a situation we instinctively understand is untenable. This liberal drive during youth therefore comes not from a place of respect and attraction for others, but from a place of anticipated frustration, of stress, and thus ultimately of pure selfishness. It comes from a mindset of taking, and not of giving. By contrast, the 1800s model described above in my view leads to a healthier more relaxed society where people are not industrially using each other in their youth, as the society was open to people fulfilling their emotional and sexual needs at any stage in their lives (i.e. even when married).

After our wild youth, we then enter progressively more stable relationships, until eventually we are too old to simply be dating. Once we start making money, living in our own place, and generally being materially stable, we start thinking about having kids. Usually, the current long-term girlfriend/ boyfriend sometime in our late 20s/ early 30s thus gets the ring. Note how the timing of our achievement of material security is the most important determinant of who we marry. Note how we symbolize marriage with a piece of jewelry. We see here how a marriage is simply the introduction a materialistic link between the partners, to finalise the "required" trifecta of love, sex and material security. Interestingly, surveys show that most people currently married state that they could have been just as happy with one or more of their previous partners. In other words, although we organise our marriages on this premise, most of us understand there is no such person as "the one" who can fulfill all our needs.

Once married, as anticipated in our youth, we actually start getting deeply frustrated. In the best cases, love and sexual attraction ebb and flow in circa 3-year-long cycles, but often simply disappear forever. Depending on where we are in the initial attraction cycle when we marry, the first year or two of marriage meet our expectations, but eventually we realise -oh the horror!- that we do not passionately love our partners all the time. We realise -say it ain't so!- that we do not find them sexually attractive all the time. Although this is perfectly -biologically- normal, we do not see it as so, because that is not what we have been taught. We start wondering whether or not we made the right choice. Now with kids and the commitment to forever, we start to feel imprisoned as our emotional and sexual needs are no longer met all the time, while our material needs are. We are not only frustrated, but we also start feeling guilt. We start lusting after others and many start "cheating" again. We expect so much from our marriages that they inevitably let us down, but even worse than to frustration, they lead to betrayal, to guilt, to self-doubt, to depression, to cynicism. Because once married, there is a stigma associated with trying to fulfill our biological and psychological needs. It leads to several divorces over our lifetimes, getting more and more frequent. Marriage is progressively viewed as temporary agreement as we get older, and so they no longer even provide us with the material security they should. We start to focus on ourselves, first and foremost. We take more and more, rather than give. We enter in an implicit conflict with the entire opposite sex where situation is win-lose. Some of us even go back to the frenetic ego-feeding serial relationships of our youth to compensate for the impossibility of finding someone "perfect". In other words, we resign ourselves to never finding material security and throw ourselves into our other needs.

Again, I would invite you to compare this to the 1800s French model, where a marriage was only expected to be materially rewarding (hence its permanence). Emotional and sexual needs could be fulfilled by other people, as long as the marriage was respected for the pragmatic arrangement it was. It was fine to have lovers on the side to meet these needs.

Perhaps most importantly, notice how children were also major beneficiaries of the old model. As the security of marriage was not subjected to the unreliable, short-term whims of emotions and sexual needs, children were raised in much more stable familial environments. The sole underlying purpose of the families they grew up in was to nurture them, and develop them into the best possible adults. They were raised simply by one mom, and one dad, without any of the confusion introduced by divorces and remarriages nowadays. Divorces lead to children feeling chronically guilty, abandoned, and lonely. They too as a result eventually become cynical, selfish and unhappy adults.

Though again I do not promote any model over another, I do believe that we should recognize that while our need for security is permanent and constant, our emotional and sexual needs are not, and are in fact subject to frequent and uncontrollable fluctuations. By integrating love and sex into what was originally a permanent material arrangement, we have hurt our ability to fulfill our own (and our children's) need for security, and as a result have become withdrawn, selfish and unhappy.

And on that rejoicing note, I wish you good night!


This is intriguing.

What do you do for a living? Are you an academic? Are you actually French? I am totally not trolling, I want to know.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't think you can judge the couple at the mall. Do you know them? Do you know the type of man she prefers to date? What her emotional needs are? What he's like? The mental wrestling she did about his age? You have a snapshot of them that you've filtered through your own emotional baggage and you've decided that she married him for his money. What if he's in fact broke, and maybe she's his daughter?

BTW, I have dinner about once a month with my own 78 year old father, and I can't tell you the number of times a waiter or some other person has "decided" I am his wife or girlfriend. Do you always assume that two people together are a couple?


+1. Seriously, OP. At most you cite a 20 year age difference, probably less if she's hiding her age or he grayed a bit early.

People also assume that my dad is my husband.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's ESPECIALLY true for women with an education because they have the highest sense of unearned entitlement. You don't read many here comllaining about the plumber or garbageman they married. It's the surgeon or lawyer they married that isn't good enough for Little Ms. Snowflake.



Where did you come from so that we can send you back? The insecurities in this post are stinking up the joint.


I cone from a place called reality. If you're a woman and you believe your own b.s. then tell us all about how your dream in life is to find a man who doesn't want a career, who doesn't want to work outside the home, just wants to stay at home, raise the kids, do the cooking, cleaning shopping laundry, be the soccer dad, school plays, and you will be happily content to be the.careerist who never has enough personal time with the family. You won't resent him at all for lacking any career ambition and not bringung home any money. You won't lose any sexual attraction at all for a guy like this. (Note: please disregard if you are a lesbian in which case why are you even in this discussion?)


NP. You are so laughable... trolling on every thread... spewing the same trash that no one listens to...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Anyone who says that money isn't a very important part of a marriage is lying. Look at Ron Perleman, the billionaire who runs Revlon. If he was selling newspapers at Dulles, would women be interested in him?


Pretty much. Same for this dude: Do you think hot chick would be willing to bang some 4-8 midget if he wasn't a Triple Crown winning jockey?

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