Size & placement of regional magnet programs set to decimate non-host, non-rich schools

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any parent send their kids to a watered down “magnet”. Won’t happen. Look at what they tried to do the IB programs at Watkins mill and Kennedy.

They'll go if the host school offers better opportunities than the home school and they can swing the commute.

We are zoned for Einstein. I have hope that Einstein will be a good place for my DC, especially since it will be a relatively smaller school. DC is pretty average academically and will probably be well served with standard MCPS courses available at every high school. But BCC and Blair definitely offer a wider variety of courses, and there are public buses to both of these schools with stops near our home. Whitman would probably be too difficult, nor is it the environment I'd want for DC especially away from all their friends.

For kids who don't want STEM, Einstein is perfect.

I really hate for this rumor to get traction. My Einstein grad is in college for engineering, his good friend who also graduated from Einstein is studying chemistry in college, and a third friend is majoring in physics at UMD. This is flat-out incorrect, apparently driven by that one poster who is annoyed that Einstein doesn’t offer multivariable calculus.

Rumor? There are two engineering classes right now, both taught during the same period/same teacher (who is a good teacher and tries hard but its an impossible task). There are no AP science classes at Einstein right now. Things have changed a lot since your kids went to school. Don't tell us we are lying when we have kids at the school. Is it possible they get in, of course. Does it make it harder when you don't have the same rigor, absolutely?

I still have a child at the school. It is disingenuous to say they don’t have AP science classes, because it’s an IB school and they have IB science classes. And you don’t have to have engineering classes in high school in my opinion.

I just checked the test stats from OSA (office of shared accountability. Believe it or not, there is still somewhere in central office that talks about accountability). Einstein do not consistently offer IB HL math (missing 2022, 2023), IBL bio (missing 2021, 2024) and IB Physics (missing 2020, 2022) in the past 6 years. Not too bad as other local IB programs also miss data here or there. Springbrook and Watkins Mill seem to be most seriously seen missing offering IB courses in a consistent pattern.

IB and AP aren't equal. IB is very different. Not al kids want AP. Yes, you do need to do engineering if you want to major in it in college. Your opinion is wrong.

Best bet is to contact your college of choice and find out what they accept. I went to an engineering college free ride. I took AP courses and tests to clep out of the humanities, comparative government etc. However, they didn't really care for calculus. I took calculus as a Junior because I was interested in it. The college didn't really want the AP tests for STEM computer science or calculus; they preferred I go through their program. They did give their own calc test(their final exam from their calc program), which I passed but they still wanted me to go through it. I got the second highest grade on the test out of two thousand students when I took it as a freshman the professor called me into his office to tell me this. Engineering was easy. They wanted to give me Masters if I stayed another year because I had enough credits graduating there also, but I took the hard route and bounced around grad school it took me five years to get the Masters enrolling in two different programs and starting over because they don't transfer the credit. Oh well at least I didn't have to pay for it. I highly recommend not paying for college.

You aren't basing this off the school or experience discussed. You are using 20-40 year old knowledge and yes, I've called and talk to the colleges, done tours, done 1-1 meetings and one of my kids got rejected from the UMD Engineering camps and the feedback was due to the lack of engineering camps and activities. Unlike you, I'm happy to pay for my kids college and masters degrees. That's why we save.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any parent send their kids to a watered down “magnet”. Won’t happen. Look at what they tried to do the IB programs at Watkins mill and Kennedy.

They'll go if the host school offers better opportunities than the home school and they can swing the commute.

We are zoned for Einstein. I have hope that Einstein will be a good place for my DC, especially since it will be a relatively smaller school. DC is pretty average academically and will probably be well served with standard MCPS courses available at every high school. But BCC and Blair definitely offer a wider variety of courses, and there are public buses to both of these schools with stops near our home. Whitman would probably be too difficult, nor is it the environment I'd want for DC especially away from all their friends.

For kids who don't want STEM, Einstein is perfect.

I really hate for this rumor to get traction. My Einstein grad is in college for engineering, his good friend who also graduated from Einstein is studying chemistry in college, and a third friend is majoring in physics at UMD. This is flat-out incorrect, apparently driven by that one poster who is annoyed that Einstein doesn’t offer multivariable calculus.

Rumor? There are two engineering classes right now, both taught during the same period/same teacher (who is a good teacher and tries hard but its an impossible task). There are no AP science classes at Einstein right now. Things have changed a lot since your kids went to school. Don't tell us we are lying when we have kids at the school. Is it possible they get in, of course. Does it make it harder when you don't have the same rigor, absolutely?

I still have a child at the school. It is disingenuous to say they don’t have AP science classes, because it’s an IB school and they have IB science classes. And you don’t have to have engineering classes in high school in my opinion.

I just checked the test stats from OSA (office of shared accountability. Believe it or not, there is still somewhere in central office that talks about accountability). Einstein do not consistently offer IB HL math (missing 2022, 2023), IBL bio (missing 2021, 2024) and IB Physics (missing 2020, 2022) in the past 6 years. Not too bad as other local IB programs also miss data here or there. Springbrook and Watkins Mill seem to be most seriously seen missing offering IB courses in a consistent pattern.

IB and AP aren't equal. IB is very different. Not al kids want AP. Yes, you do need to do engineering if you want to major in it in college. Your opinion is wrong.

Best bet is to contact your college of choice and find out what they accept. I went to an engineering college free ride. I took AP courses and tests to clep out of the humanities, comparative government etc. However, they didn't really care for calculus. I took calculus as a Junior because I was interested in it. The college didn't really want the AP tests for STEM computer science or calculus; they preferred I go through their program. They did give their own calc test(their final exam from their calc program), which I passed but they still wanted me to go through it. I got the second highest grade on the test out of two thousand students when I took it as a freshman the professor called me into his office to tell me this. Engineering was easy. They wanted to give me Masters if I stayed another year because I had enough credits graduating there also, but I took the hard route and bounced around grad school it took me five years to get the Masters enrolling in two different programs and starting over because they don't transfer the credit. Oh well at least I didn't have to pay for it. I highly recommend not paying for college.

You aren't basing this off the school or experience discussed. You are using 20-40 year old knowledge and yes, I've called and talk to the colleges, done tours, done 1-1 meetings and one of my kids got rejected from the UMD Engineering camps and the feedback was due to the lack of engineering camps and activities. Unlike you, I'm happy to pay for my kids college and masters degrees. That's why we save.

Seems like a shady program. UMD is that selective they are looking at camps? Sounds like a money grab. It helps if you have better test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any parent send their kids to a watered down “magnet”. Won’t happen. Look at what they tried to do the IB programs at Watkins mill and Kennedy.

They'll go if the host school offers better opportunities than the home school and they can swing the commute.

We are zoned for Einstein. I have hope that Einstein will be a good place for my DC, especially since it will be a relatively smaller school. DC is pretty average academically and will probably be well served with standard MCPS courses available at every high school. But BCC and Blair definitely offer a wider variety of courses, and there are public buses to both of these schools with stops near our home. Whitman would probably be too difficult, nor is it the environment I'd want for DC especially away from all their friends.

For kids who don't want STEM, Einstein is perfect.

I really hate for this rumor to get traction. My Einstein grad is in college for engineering, his good friend who also graduated from Einstein is studying chemistry in college, and a third friend is majoring in physics at UMD. This is flat-out incorrect, apparently driven by that one poster who is annoyed that Einstein doesn’t offer multivariable calculus.

Rumor? There are two engineering classes right now, both taught during the same period/same teacher (who is a good teacher and tries hard but its an impossible task). There are no AP science classes at Einstein right now. Things have changed a lot since your kids went to school. Don't tell us we are lying when we have kids at the school. Is it possible they get in, of course. Does it make it harder when you don't have the same rigor, absolutely?

I still have a child at the school. It is disingenuous to say they don’t have AP science classes, because it’s an IB school and they have IB science classes. And you don’t have to have engineering classes in high school in my opinion.

You do need to have engineering classes if you want to major in engineering and get into a competitive school. IB is not the same as AP, especially in math and science. Your opinion doesn't matter, colleges opinions matter.

Kids with good grades in STEM classes go to engineering programs at top colleges all the time. Engineering HS classes are rare and many of them are for fun projects and not really for mastering anything in particular and college admission professionals know it.

+1. You absolutely do not need HS engineering classes to get into engineering programs at college. Just take the most rigorous science and math classes your school happens to offer, whatever they may be.

Taking no STEM, no AP science, etc. isn't getting you into a good engineering or stem college program. There is no rigour and that is the problem.

You are wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any parent send their kids to a watered down “magnet”. Won’t happen. Look at what they tried to do the IB programs at Watkins mill and Kennedy.

They'll go if the host school offers better opportunities than the home school and they can swing the commute.

We are zoned for Einstein. I have hope that Einstein will be a good place for my DC, especially since it will be a relatively smaller school. DC is pretty average academically and will probably be well served with standard MCPS courses available at every high school. But BCC and Blair definitely offer a wider variety of courses, and there are public buses to both of these schools with stops near our home. Whitman would probably be too difficult, nor is it the environment I'd want for DC especially away from all their friends.

For kids who don't want STEM, Einstein is perfect.

I really hate for this rumor to get traction. My Einstein grad is in college for engineering, his good friend who also graduated from Einstein is studying chemistry in college, and a third friend is majoring in physics at UMD. This is flat-out incorrect, apparently driven by that one poster who is annoyed that Einstein doesn’t offer multivariable calculus.

Rumor? There are two engineering classes right now, both taught during the same period/same teacher (who is a good teacher and tries hard but its an impossible task). There are no AP science classes at Einstein right now. Things have changed a lot since your kids went to school. Don't tell us we are lying when we have kids at the school. Is it possible they get in, of course. Does it make it harder when you don't have the same rigor, absolutely?

I still have a child at the school. It is disingenuous to say they don’t have AP science classes, because it’s an IB school and they have IB science classes. And you don’t have to have engineering classes in high school in my opinion.

I just checked the test stats from OSA (office of shared accountability. Believe it or not, there is still somewhere in central office that talks about accountability). Einstein do not consistently offer IB HL math (missing 2022, 2023), IBL bio (missing 2021, 2024) and IB Physics (missing 2020, 2022) in the past 6 years. Not too bad as other local IB programs also miss data here or there. Springbrook and Watkins Mill seem to be most seriously seen missing offering IB courses in a consistent pattern.

IB and AP aren't equal. IB is very different. Not al kids want AP. Yes, you do need to do engineering if you want to major in it in college. Your opinion is wrong.

What are you talking about? Neither AP or IB curriculum offers engineering specifically. For college application, if they don't see an engineering class on your school's bulletin, they won't force your child to take an outside-of-school equivalent. Your kid is judged amongst their peers, i.e., other seniors at Einstein, not seniors from Blair or Wheaton. So if your kid is really interested in engineering track, he/she should take IB physics and/or IB chemistry/bio to demonstrate the interests and foundation.

I don't understand why HSs should offer both AP and IB. That could be too overwhelming, and honestly speaking, AP is slightly more rigorous, difficult and broader choices than IB in general sense. I really think we shouldn't have so many IB programs in the first place.

Einstein used to offer both AP and IB science classes several years back, and they couldn't get enough students to register to keep offering both classes, so they dropped the APs in favor of IBs, as they are required to offer IB science classes as an IB school.

There are enough students to hold at least one class. The issue is that many kids are going to Wheaton and Blair or private schools because of the lack of course offerings. If it were offered, perhaps more kids would stay at Einstein, making it a stronger school. The admin actively discourages kids from taking advanced classes, including Calc BC. Maybe some of the posters here are the ones saying its not necessary and not caring about how much it hurts students. Competitive programs want to see AP science, engineering, computer science and other classes. If a student is equal in grades and scores but has more stem, they will be choosen.

There are tons of high schools in the US that don't have any AP or IB classes. Colleges know that students can't control which classes their school offers. If you take your school's highest level courses, colleges will know that and look favorably on your application.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any parent send their kids to a watered down “magnet”. Won’t happen. Look at what they tried to do the IB programs at Watkins mill and Kennedy.

They'll go if the host school offers better opportunities than the home school and they can swing the commute.

We are zoned for Einstein. I have hope that Einstein will be a good place for my DC, especially since it will be a relatively smaller school. DC is pretty average academically and will probably be well served with standard MCPS courses available at every high school. But BCC and Blair definitely offer a wider variety of courses, and there are public buses to both of these schools with stops near our home. Whitman would probably be too difficult, nor is it the environment I'd want for DC especially away from all their friends.

For kids who don't want STEM, Einstein is perfect.

I really hate for this rumor to get traction. My Einstein grad is in college for engineering, his good friend who also graduated from Einstein is studying chemistry in college, and a third friend is majoring in physics at UMD. This is flat-out incorrect, apparently driven by that one poster who is annoyed that Einstein doesn’t offer multivariable calculus.

Rumor? There are two engineering classes right now, both taught during the same period/same teacher (who is a good teacher and tries hard but its an impossible task). There are no AP science classes at Einstein right now. Things have changed a lot since your kids went to school. Don't tell us we are lying when we have kids at the school. Is it possible they get in, of course. Does it make it harder when you don't have the same rigor, absolutely?

I still have a child at the school. It is disingenuous to say they don’t have AP science classes, because it’s an IB school and they have IB science classes. And you don’t have to have engineering classes in high school in my opinion.

I just checked the test stats from OSA (office of shared accountability. Believe it or not, there is still somewhere in central office that talks about accountability). Einstein do not consistently offer IB HL math (missing 2022, 2023), IBL bio (missing 2021, 2024) and IB Physics (missing 2020, 2022) in the past 6 years. Not too bad as other local IB programs also miss data here or there. Springbrook and Watkins Mill seem to be most seriously seen missing offering IB courses in a consistent pattern.

IB and AP aren't equal. IB is very different. Not al kids want AP. Yes, you do need to do engineering if you want to major in it in college. Your opinion is wrong.

What are you talking about? Neither AP or IB curriculum offers engineering specifically. For college application, if they don't see an engineering class on your school's bulletin, they won't force your child to take an outside-of-school equivalent. Your kid is judged amongst their peers, i.e., other seniors at Einstein, not seniors from Blair or Wheaton. So if your kid is really interested in engineering track, he/she should take IB physics and/or IB chemistry/bio to demonstrate the interests and foundation.

I don't understand why HSs should offer both AP and IB. That could be too overwhelming, and honestly speaking, AP is slightly more rigorous, difficult and broader choices than IB in general sense. I really think we shouldn't have so many IB programs in the first place.

Einstein used to offer both AP and IB science classes several years back, and they couldn't get enough students to register to keep offering both classes, so they dropped the APs in favor of IBs, as they are required to offer IB science classes as an IB school.

There are enough students to hold at least one class. The issue is that many kids are going to Wheaton and Blair or private schools because of the lack of course offerings. If it were offered, perhaps more kids would stay at Einstein, making it a stronger school. The admin actively discourages kids from taking advanced classes, including Calc BC. Maybe some of the posters here are the ones saying its not necessary and not caring about how much it hurts students. Competitive programs want to see AP science, engineering, computer science and other classes. If a student is equal in grades and scores but has more stem, they will be choosen.

There are tons of high schools in the US that don't have any AP or IB classes. Colleges know that students can't control which classes their school offers. If you take your school's highest level courses, colleges will know that and look favorably on your application.

And that’s fine, but our kids are competing for spots with other Mcps students and the educations are not comparable or equal. Your comments make no sense. Why should all students have equally opportunities. Why should my tax dollars go to pay for other kids who are equally smart as mine to get more opportunities and a better education while mine go without? By you logic no school should have so or advanced classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any parent send their kids to a watered down “magnet”. Won’t happen. Look at what they tried to do the IB programs at Watkins mill and Kennedy.

They'll go if the host school offers better opportunities than the home school and they can swing the commute.

We are zoned for Einstein. I have hope that Einstein will be a good place for my DC, especially since it will be a relatively smaller school. DC is pretty average academically and will probably be well served with standard MCPS courses available at every high school. But BCC and Blair definitely offer a wider variety of courses, and there are public buses to both of these schools with stops near our home. Whitman would probably be too difficult, nor is it the environment I'd want for DC especially away from all their friends.

For kids who don't want STEM, Einstein is perfect.

I really hate for this rumor to get traction. My Einstein grad is in college for engineering, his good friend who also graduated from Einstein is studying chemistry in college, and a third friend is majoring in physics at UMD. This is flat-out incorrect, apparently driven by that one poster who is annoyed that Einstein doesn’t offer multivariable calculus.

Rumor? There are two engineering classes right now, both taught during the same period/same teacher (who is a good teacher and tries hard but its an impossible task). There are no AP science classes at Einstein right now. Things have changed a lot since your kids went to school. Don't tell us we are lying when we have kids at the school. Is it possible they get in, of course. Does it make it harder when you don't have the same rigor, absolutely?

I still have a child at the school. It is disingenuous to say they don’t have AP science classes, because it’s an IB school and they have IB science classes. And you don’t have to have engineering classes in high school in my opinion.

I just checked the test stats from OSA (office of shared accountability. Believe it or not, there is still somewhere in central office that talks about accountability). Einstein do not consistently offer IB HL math (missing 2022, 2023), IBL bio (missing 2021, 2024) and IB Physics (missing 2020, 2022) in the past 6 years. Not too bad as other local IB programs also miss data here or there. Springbrook and Watkins Mill seem to be most seriously seen missing offering IB courses in a consistent pattern.

IB and AP aren't equal. IB is very different. Not al kids want AP. Yes, you do need to do engineering if you want to major in it in college. Your opinion is wrong.

What are you talking about? Neither AP or IB curriculum offers engineering specifically. For college application, if they don't see an engineering class on your school's bulletin, they won't force your child to take an outside-of-school equivalent. Your kid is judged amongst their peers, i.e., other seniors at Einstein, not seniors from Blair or Wheaton. So if your kid is really interested in engineering track, he/she should take IB physics and/or IB chemistry/bio to demonstrate the interests and foundation.

I don't understand why HSs should offer both AP and IB. That could be too overwhelming, and honestly speaking, AP is slightly more rigorous, difficult and broader choices than IB in general sense. I really think we shouldn't have so many IB programs in the first place.

Einstein used to offer both AP and IB science classes several years back, and they couldn't get enough students to register to keep offering both classes, so they dropped the APs in favor of IBs, as they are required to offer IB science classes as an IB school.

There are enough students to hold at least one class. The issue is that many kids are going to Wheaton and Blair or private schools because of the lack of course offerings. If it were offered, perhaps more kids would stay at Einstein, making it a stronger school. The admin actively discourages kids from taking advanced classes, including Calc BC. Maybe some of the posters here are the ones saying its not necessary and not caring about how much it hurts students. Competitive programs want to see AP science, engineering, computer science and other classes. If a student is equal in grades and scores but has more stem, they will be choosen.

There are tons of high schools in the US that don't have any AP or IB classes. Colleges know that students can't control which classes their school offers. If you take your school's highest level courses, colleges will know that and look favorably on your application.

That there are schools elsewhere without is irrelevant to MCPS, where there are lots, but where the system allows for a have-and-have-not dichotomy, and where that does play in the college admissions game, as noted elsewhere in this thread, via its tiebreaking nature even if the line about just taking the most rigorous available to you is true before tiebreakers.

Also, understanding that you were responding to someone making a point about college admissions, it's still important to note that the main purpose of MCPS isn't getting a kid into college but, rather, is providing an education...and they aren't doing that with reasonable similarity across schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any parent send their kids to a watered down “magnet”. Won’t happen. Look at what they tried to do the IB programs at Watkins mill and Kennedy.

They'll go if the host school offers better opportunities than the home school and they can swing the commute.

We are zoned for Einstein. I have hope that Einstein will be a good place for my DC, especially since it will be a relatively smaller school. DC is pretty average academically and will probably be well served with standard MCPS courses available at every high school. But BCC and Blair definitely offer a wider variety of courses, and there are public buses to both of these schools with stops near our home. Whitman would probably be too difficult, nor is it the environment I'd want for DC especially away from all their friends.

For kids who don't want STEM, Einstein is perfect.

I really hate for this rumor to get traction. My Einstein grad is in college for engineering, his good friend who also graduated from Einstein is studying chemistry in college, and a third friend is majoring in physics at UMD. This is flat-out incorrect, apparently driven by that one poster who is annoyed that Einstein doesn’t offer multivariable calculus.

Rumor? There are two engineering classes right now, both taught during the same period/same teacher (who is a good teacher and tries hard but its an impossible task). There are no AP science classes at Einstein right now. Things have changed a lot since your kids went to school. Don't tell us we are lying when we have kids at the school. Is it possible they get in, of course. Does it make it harder when you don't have the same rigor, absolutely?

I still have a child at the school. It is disingenuous to say they don’t have AP science classes, because it’s an IB school and they have IB science classes. And you don’t have to have engineering classes in high school in my opinion.

I just checked the test stats from OSA (office of shared accountability. Believe it or not, there is still somewhere in central office that talks about accountability). Einstein do not consistently offer IB HL math (missing 2022, 2023), IBL bio (missing 2021, 2024) and IB Physics (missing 2020, 2022) in the past 6 years. Not too bad as other local IB programs also miss data here or there. Springbrook and Watkins Mill seem to be most seriously seen missing offering IB courses in a consistent pattern.

IB and AP aren't equal. IB is very different. Not al kids want AP. Yes, you do need to do engineering if you want to major in it in college. Your opinion is wrong.

What are you talking about? Neither AP or IB curriculum offers engineering specifically. For college application, if they don't see an engineering class on your school's bulletin, they won't force your child to take an outside-of-school equivalent. Your kid is judged amongst their peers, i.e., other seniors at Einstein, not seniors from Blair or Wheaton. So if your kid is really interested in engineering track, he/she should take IB physics and/or IB chemistry/bio to demonstrate the interests and foundation.

I don't understand why HSs should offer both AP and IB. That could be too overwhelming, and honestly speaking, AP is slightly more rigorous, difficult and broader choices than IB in general sense. I really think we shouldn't have so many IB programs in the first place.

Einstein used to offer both AP and IB science classes several years back, and they couldn't get enough students to register to keep offering both classes, so they dropped the APs in favor of IBs, as they are required to offer IB science classes as an IB school.

There are enough students to hold at least one class. The issue is that many kids are going to Wheaton and Blair or private schools because of the lack of course offerings. If it were offered, perhaps more kids would stay at Einstein, making it a stronger school. The admin actively discourages kids from taking advanced classes, including Calc BC. Maybe some of the posters here are the ones saying its not necessary and not caring about how much it hurts students. Competitive programs want to see AP science, engineering, computer science and other classes. If a student is equal in grades and scores but has more stem, they will be choosen.

There are tons of high schools in the US that don't have any AP or IB classes. Colleges know that students can't control which classes their school offers. If you take your school's highest level courses, colleges will know that and look favorably on your application.

And that’s fine, but our kids are competing for spots with other Mcps students and the educations are not comparable or equal. Your comments make no sense. Why should all students have equally opportunities. Why should my tax dollars go to pay for other kids who are equally smart as mine to get more opportunities and a better education while mine go without? By you logic no school should have so or advanced classes.

No, your kid is competing with other same grade kid from the same HS, not the entire MCPS HS. Take Blair for example, SMCS coordinator submits the stats and course bulletin for SMCS program only, and non-SMCS students will be evaluated against their peers excluding SMCS stats.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any parent send their kids to a watered down “magnet”. Won’t happen. Look at what they tried to do the IB programs at Watkins mill and Kennedy.

They'll go if the host school offers better opportunities than the home school and they can swing the commute.

We are zoned for Einstein. I have hope that Einstein will be a good place for my DC, especially since it will be a relatively smaller school. DC is pretty average academically and will probably be well served with standard MCPS courses available at every high school. But BCC and Blair definitely offer a wider variety of courses, and there are public buses to both of these schools with stops near our home. Whitman would probably be too difficult, nor is it the environment I'd want for DC especially away from all their friends.

For kids who don't want STEM, Einstein is perfect.

I really hate for this rumor to get traction. My Einstein grad is in college for engineering, his good friend who also graduated from Einstein is studying chemistry in college, and a third friend is majoring in physics at UMD. This is flat-out incorrect, apparently driven by that one poster who is annoyed that Einstein doesn’t offer multivariable calculus.

Rumor? There are two engineering classes right now, both taught during the same period/same teacher (who is a good teacher and tries hard but its an impossible task). There are no AP science classes at Einstein right now. Things have changed a lot since your kids went to school. Don't tell us we are lying when we have kids at the school. Is it possible they get in, of course. Does it make it harder when you don't have the same rigor, absolutely?

I still have a child at the school. It is disingenuous to say they don’t have AP science classes, because it’s an IB school and they have IB science classes. And you don’t have to have engineering classes in high school in my opinion.

I just checked the test stats from OSA (office of shared accountability. Believe it or not, there is still somewhere in central office that talks about accountability). Einstein do not consistently offer IB HL math (missing 2022, 2023), IBL bio (missing 2021, 2024) and IB Physics (missing 2020, 2022) in the past 6 years. Not too bad as other local IB programs also miss data here or there. Springbrook and Watkins Mill seem to be most seriously seen missing offering IB courses in a consistent pattern.

IB and AP aren't equal. IB is very different. Not al kids want AP. Yes, you do need to do engineering if you want to major in it in college. Your opinion is wrong.

What are you talking about? Neither AP or IB curriculum offers engineering specifically. For college application, if they don't see an engineering class on your school's bulletin, they won't force your child to take an outside-of-school equivalent. Your kid is judged amongst their peers, i.e., other seniors at Einstein, not seniors from Blair or Wheaton. So if your kid is really interested in engineering track, he/she should take IB physics and/or IB chemistry/bio to demonstrate the interests and foundation.

I don't understand why HSs should offer both AP and IB. That could be too overwhelming, and honestly speaking, AP is slightly more rigorous, difficult and broader choices than IB in general sense. I really think we shouldn't have so many IB programs in the first place.

Einstein used to offer both AP and IB science classes several years back, and they couldn't get enough students to register to keep offering both classes, so they dropped the APs in favor of IBs, as they are required to offer IB science classes as an IB school.

There are enough students to hold at least one class. The issue is that many kids are going to Wheaton and Blair or private schools because of the lack of course offerings. If it were offered, perhaps more kids would stay at Einstein, making it a stronger school. The admin actively discourages kids from taking advanced classes, including Calc BC. Maybe some of the posters here are the ones saying its not necessary and not caring about how much it hurts students. Competitive programs want to see AP science, engineering, computer science and other classes. If a student is equal in grades and scores but has more stem, they will be choosen.

There are tons of high schools in the US that don't have any AP or IB classes. Colleges know that students can't control which classes their school offers. If you take your school's highest level courses, colleges will know that and look favorably on your application.

That there are schools elsewhere without is irrelevant to MCPS, where there are lots, but where the system allows for a have-and-have-not dichotomy, and where that does play in the college admissions game, as noted elsewhere in this thread, via its tiebreaking nature even if the line about just taking the most rigorous available to you is true before tiebreakers.

Also, understanding that you were responding to someone making a point about college admissions, it's still important to note that the main purpose of MCPS isn't getting a kid into college but, rather, is providing an education...and they aren't doing that with reasonable similarity across schools.

Most people consider AP and IB classes to be reasonably similar.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any parent send their kids to a watered down “magnet”. Won’t happen. Look at what they tried to do the IB programs at Watkins mill and Kennedy.

They'll go if the host school offers better opportunities than the home school and they can swing the commute.

We are zoned for Einstein. I have hope that Einstein will be a good place for my DC, especially since it will be a relatively smaller school. DC is pretty average academically and will probably be well served with standard MCPS courses available at every high school. But BCC and Blair definitely offer a wider variety of courses, and there are public buses to both of these schools with stops near our home. Whitman would probably be too difficult, nor is it the environment I'd want for DC especially away from all their friends.

For kids who don't want STEM, Einstein is perfect.

I really hate for this rumor to get traction. My Einstein grad is in college for engineering, his good friend who also graduated from Einstein is studying chemistry in college, and a third friend is majoring in physics at UMD. This is flat-out incorrect, apparently driven by that one poster who is annoyed that Einstein doesn’t offer multivariable calculus.

Rumor? There are two engineering classes right now, both taught during the same period/same teacher (who is a good teacher and tries hard but its an impossible task). There are no AP science classes at Einstein right now. Things have changed a lot since your kids went to school. Don't tell us we are lying when we have kids at the school. Is it possible they get in, of course. Does it make it harder when you don't have the same rigor, absolutely?

I still have a child at the school. It is disingenuous to say they don’t have AP science classes, because it’s an IB school and they have IB science classes. And you don’t have to have engineering classes in high school in my opinion.

I just checked the test stats from OSA (office of shared accountability. Believe it or not, there is still somewhere in central office that talks about accountability). Einstein do not consistently offer IB HL math (missing 2022, 2023), IBL bio (missing 2021, 2024) and IB Physics (missing 2020, 2022) in the past 6 years. Not too bad as other local IB programs also miss data here or there. Springbrook and Watkins Mill seem to be most seriously seen missing offering IB courses in a consistent pattern.

IB and AP aren't equal. IB is very different. Not al kids want AP. Yes, you do need to do engineering if you want to major in it in college. Your opinion is wrong.

What are you talking about? Neither AP or IB curriculum offers engineering specifically. For college application, if they don't see an engineering class on your school's bulletin, they won't force your child to take an outside-of-school equivalent. Your kid is judged amongst their peers, i.e., other seniors at Einstein, not seniors from Blair or Wheaton. So if your kid is really interested in engineering track, he/she should take IB physics and/or IB chemistry/bio to demonstrate the interests and foundation.

I don't understand why HSs should offer both AP and IB. That could be too overwhelming, and honestly speaking, AP is slightly more rigorous, difficult and broader choices than IB in general sense. I really think we shouldn't have so many IB programs in the first place.

Einstein used to offer both AP and IB science classes several years back, and they couldn't get enough students to register to keep offering both classes, so they dropped the APs in favor of IBs, as they are required to offer IB science classes as an IB school.

There are enough students to hold at least one class. The issue is that many kids are going to Wheaton and Blair or private schools because of the lack of course offerings. If it were offered, perhaps more kids would stay at Einstein, making it a stronger school. The admin actively discourages kids from taking advanced classes, including Calc BC. Maybe some of the posters here are the ones saying its not necessary and not caring about how much it hurts students. Competitive programs want to see AP science, engineering, computer science and other classes. If a student is equal in grades and scores but has more stem, they will be choosen.

There are tons of high schools in the US that don't have any AP or IB classes. Colleges know that students can't control which classes their school offers. If you take your school's highest level courses, colleges will know that and look favorably on your application.

That there are schools elsewhere without is irrelevant to MCPS, where there are lots, but where the system allows for a have-and-have-not dichotomy, and where that does play in the college admissions game, as noted elsewhere in this thread, via its tiebreaking nature even if the line about just taking the most rigorous available to you is true before tiebreakers.

Also, understanding that you were responding to someone making a point about college admissions, it's still important to note that the main purpose of MCPS isn't getting a kid into college but, rather, is providing an education...and they aren't doing that with reasonable similarity across schools.

Most people consider AP and IB classes to be reasonably similar.

Good grief -- you won't stop apologizing with drivel, will you?

Go back a page to the BCC | Einstein comparison (both local IBs, remember?) and call us back when you can show us how that offers reasonably similar academic opportunity such that a random academically adept student wouldn't care which school they attended from the perspective of the learning opportunities provided.

(Of course, B-CC | Einstein is but one example, if a particularly convenient one.)

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They'll go if the host school offers better opportunities than the home school and they can swing the commute.

We are zoned for Einstein. I have hope that Einstein will be a good place for my DC, especially since it will be a relatively smaller school. DC is pretty average academically and will probably be well served with standard MCPS courses available at every high school. But BCC and Blair definitely offer a wider variety of courses, and there are public buses to both of these schools with stops near our home. Whitman would probably be too difficult, nor is it the environment I'd want for DC especially away from all their friends.

For kids who don't want STEM, Einstein is perfect.

I really hate for this rumor to get traction. My Einstein grad is in college for engineering, his good friend who also graduated from Einstein is studying chemistry in college, and a third friend is majoring in physics at UMD. This is flat-out incorrect, apparently driven by that one poster who is annoyed that Einstein doesn’t offer multivariable calculus.

Rumor? There are two engineering classes right now, both taught during the same period/same teacher (who is a good teacher and tries hard but its an impossible task). There are no AP science classes at Einstein right now. Things have changed a lot since your kids went to school. Don't tell us we are lying when we have kids at the school. Is it possible they get in, of course. Does it make it harder when you don't have the same rigor, absolutely?

I still have a child at the school. It is disingenuous to say they don’t have AP science classes, because it’s an IB school and they have IB science classes. And you don’t have to have engineering classes in high school in my opinion.

I just checked the test stats from OSA (office of shared accountability. Believe it or not, there is still somewhere in central office that talks about accountability). Einstein do not consistently offer IB HL math (missing 2022, 2023), IBL bio (missing 2021, 2024) and IB Physics (missing 2020, 2022) in the past 6 years. Not too bad as other local IB programs also miss data here or there. Springbrook and Watkins Mill seem to be most seriously seen missing offering IB courses in a consistent pattern.

IB and AP aren't equal. IB is very different. Not al kids want AP. Yes, you do need to do engineering if you want to major in it in college. Your opinion is wrong.

What are you talking about? Neither AP or IB curriculum offers engineering specifically. For college application, if they don't see an engineering class on your school's bulletin, they won't force your child to take an outside-of-school equivalent. Your kid is judged amongst their peers, i.e., other seniors at Einstein, not seniors from Blair or Wheaton. So if your kid is really interested in engineering track, he/she should take IB physics and/or IB chemistry/bio to demonstrate the interests and foundation.

I don't understand why HSs should offer both AP and IB. That could be too overwhelming, and honestly speaking, AP is slightly more rigorous, difficult and broader choices than IB in general sense. I really think we shouldn't have so many IB programs in the first place.

Einstein used to offer both AP and IB science classes several years back, and they couldn't get enough students to register to keep offering both classes, so they dropped the APs in favor of IBs, as they are required to offer IB science classes as an IB school.

There are enough students to hold at least one class. The issue is that many kids are going to Wheaton and Blair or private schools because of the lack of course offerings. If it were offered, perhaps more kids would stay at Einstein, making it a stronger school. The admin actively discourages kids from taking advanced classes, including Calc BC. Maybe some of the posters here are the ones saying its not necessary and not caring about how much it hurts students. Competitive programs want to see AP science, engineering, computer science and other classes. If a student is equal in grades and scores but has more stem, they will be choosen.

There are tons of high schools in the US that don't have any AP or IB classes. Colleges know that students can't control which classes their school offers. If you take your school's highest level courses, colleges will know that and look favorably on your application.

And that’s fine, but our kids are competing for spots with other Mcps students and the educations are not comparable or equal. Your comments make no sense. Why should all students have equally opportunities. Why should my tax dollars go to pay for other kids who are equally smart as mine to get more opportunities and a better education while mine go without? By you logic no school should have so or advanced classes.

No, your kid is competing with other same grade kid from the same HS, not the entire MCPS HS. Take Blair for example, SMCS coordinator submits the stats and course bulletin for SMCS program only, and non-SMCS students will be evaluated against their peers excluding SMCS stats.

The schools don’t just look at that. Be real.

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They'll go if the host school offers better opportunities than the home school and they can swing the commute.

We are zoned for Einstein. I have hope that Einstein will be a good place for my DC, especially since it will be a relatively smaller school. DC is pretty average academically and will probably be well served with standard MCPS courses available at every high school. But BCC and Blair definitely offer a wider variety of courses, and there are public buses to both of these schools with stops near our home. Whitman would probably be too difficult, nor is it the environment I'd want for DC especially away from all their friends.

For kids who don't want STEM, Einstein is perfect.

I really hate for this rumor to get traction. My Einstein grad is in college for engineering, his good friend who also graduated from Einstein is studying chemistry in college, and a third friend is majoring in physics at UMD. This is flat-out incorrect, apparently driven by that one poster who is annoyed that Einstein doesn’t offer multivariable calculus.

Rumor? There are two engineering classes right now, both taught during the same period/same teacher (who is a good teacher and tries hard but its an impossible task). There are no AP science classes at Einstein right now. Things have changed a lot since your kids went to school. Don't tell us we are lying when we have kids at the school. Is it possible they get in, of course. Does it make it harder when you don't have the same rigor, absolutely?

I still have a child at the school. It is disingenuous to say they don’t have AP science classes, because it’s an IB school and they have IB science classes. And you don’t have to have engineering classes in high school in my opinion.

I just checked the test stats from OSA (office of shared accountability. Believe it or not, there is still somewhere in central office that talks about accountability). Einstein do not consistently offer IB HL math (missing 2022, 2023), IBL bio (missing 2021, 2024) and IB Physics (missing 2020, 2022) in the past 6 years. Not too bad as other local IB programs also miss data here or there. Springbrook and Watkins Mill seem to be most seriously seen missing offering IB courses in a consistent pattern.

IB and AP aren't equal. IB is very different. Not al kids want AP. Yes, you do need to do engineering if you want to major in it in college. Your opinion is wrong.

What are you talking about? Neither AP or IB curriculum offers engineering specifically. For college application, if they don't see an engineering class on your school's bulletin, they won't force your child to take an outside-of-school equivalent. Your kid is judged amongst their peers, i.e., other seniors at Einstein, not seniors from Blair or Wheaton. So if your kid is really interested in engineering track, he/she should take IB physics and/or IB chemistry/bio to demonstrate the interests and foundation.

I don't understand why HSs should offer both AP and IB. That could be too overwhelming, and honestly speaking, AP is slightly more rigorous, difficult and broader choices than IB in general sense. I really think we shouldn't have so many IB programs in the first place.

Einstein used to offer both AP and IB science classes several years back, and they couldn't get enough students to register to keep offering both classes, so they dropped the APs in favor of IBs, as they are required to offer IB science classes as an IB school.

There are enough students to hold at least one class. The issue is that many kids are going to Wheaton and Blair or private schools because of the lack of course offerings. If it were offered, perhaps more kids would stay at Einstein, making it a stronger school. The admin actively discourages kids from taking advanced classes, including Calc BC. Maybe some of the posters here are the ones saying its not necessary and not caring about how much it hurts students. Competitive programs want to see AP science, engineering, computer science and other classes. If a student is equal in grades and scores but has more stem, they will be choosen.

There are tons of high schools in the US that don't have any AP or IB classes. Colleges know that students can't control which classes their school offers. If you take your school's highest level courses, colleges will know that and look favorably on your application.

That there are schools elsewhere without is irrelevant to MCPS, where there are lots, but where the system allows for a have-and-have-not dichotomy, and where that does play in the college admissions game, as noted elsewhere in this thread, via its tiebreaking nature even if the line about just taking the most rigorous available to you is true before tiebreakers.

Also, understanding that you were responding to someone making a point about college admissions, it's still important to note that the main purpose of MCPS isn't getting a kid into college but, rather, is providing an education...and they aren't doing that with reasonable similarity across schools.

Most people consider AP and IB classes to be reasonably similar.

For math, they aren’t equal at all. Ib is great for non-stem kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any parent send their kids to a watered down “magnet”. Won’t happen. Look at what they tried to do the IB programs at Watkins mill and Kennedy.

They'll go if the host school offers better opportunities than the home school and they can swing the commute.

We are zoned for Einstein. I have hope that Einstein will be a good place for my DC, especially since it will be a relatively smaller school. DC is pretty average academically and will probably be well served with standard MCPS courses available at every high school. But BCC and Blair definitely offer a wider variety of courses, and there are public buses to both of these schools with stops near our home. Whitman would probably be too difficult, nor is it the environment I'd want for DC especially away from all their friends.

For kids who don't want STEM, Einstein is perfect.

I really hate for this rumor to get traction. My Einstein grad is in college for engineering, his good friend who also graduated from Einstein is studying chemistry in college, and a third friend is majoring in physics at UMD. This is flat-out incorrect, apparently driven by that one poster who is annoyed that Einstein doesn’t offer multivariable calculus.

Rumor? There are two engineering classes right now, both taught during the same period/same teacher (who is a good teacher and tries hard but its an impossible task). There are no AP science classes at Einstein right now. Things have changed a lot since your kids went to school. Don't tell us we are lying when we have kids at the school. Is it possible they get in, of course. Does it make it harder when you don't have the same rigor, absolutely?

I still have a child at the school. It is disingenuous to say they don’t have AP science classes, because it’s an IB school and they have IB science classes. And you don’t have to have engineering classes in high school in my opinion.

I just checked the test stats from OSA (office of shared accountability. Believe it or not, there is still somewhere in central office that talks about accountability). Einstein do not consistently offer IB HL math (missing 2022, 2023), IBL bio (missing 2021, 2024) and IB Physics (missing 2020, 2022) in the past 6 years. Not too bad as other local IB programs also miss data here or there. Springbrook and Watkins Mill seem to be most seriously seen missing offering IB courses in a consistent pattern.

IB and AP aren't equal. IB is very different. Not al kids want AP. Yes, you do need to do engineering if you want to major in it in college. Your opinion is wrong.

What are you talking about? Neither AP or IB curriculum offers engineering specifically. For college application, if they don't see an engineering class on your school's bulletin, they won't force your child to take an outside-of-school equivalent. Your kid is judged amongst their peers, i.e., other seniors at Einstein, not seniors from Blair or Wheaton. So if your kid is really interested in engineering track, he/she should take IB physics and/or IB chemistry/bio to demonstrate the interests and foundation.

I don't understand why HSs should offer both AP and IB. That could be too overwhelming, and honestly speaking, AP is slightly more rigorous, difficult and broader choices than IB in general sense. I really think we shouldn't have so many IB programs in the first place.

Einstein used to offer both AP and IB science classes several years back, and they couldn't get enough students to register to keep offering both classes, so they dropped the APs in favor of IBs, as they are required to offer IB science classes as an IB school.

There are enough students to hold at least one class. The issue is that many kids are going to Wheaton and Blair or private schools because of the lack of course offerings. If it were offered, perhaps more kids would stay at Einstein, making it a stronger school. The admin actively discourages kids from taking advanced classes, including Calc BC. Maybe some of the posters here are the ones saying its not necessary and not caring about how much it hurts students. Competitive programs want to see AP science, engineering, computer science and other classes. If a student is equal in grades and scores but has more stem, they will be choosen.

There are tons of high schools in the US that don't have any AP or IB classes. Colleges know that students can't control which classes their school offers. If you take your school's highest level courses, colleges will know that and look favorably on your application.

And that’s fine, but our kids are competing for spots with other Mcps students and the educations are not comparable or equal. Your comments make no sense. Why should all students have equally opportunities. Why should my tax dollars go to pay for other kids who are equally smart as mine to get more opportunities and a better education while mine go without? By you logic no school should have so or advanced classes.

No, your kid is competing with other same grade kid from the same HS, not the entire MCPS HS. Take Blair for example, SMCS coordinator submits the stats and course bulletin for SMCS program only, and non-SMCS students will be evaluated against their peers excluding SMCS stats.

Here we go again, MCPS. Remind us, what might be a tiebreaker between students having similar profiles vs. their own local school's/program's offerings but differences in the overall rigor accessed during their time in school?

We'll wait while you regale us with tales of a fanciful world where colleges always make room for both students and never make tiebreaking calls.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would any parent send their kids to a watered down “magnet”. Won’t happen. Look at what they tried to do the IB programs at Watkins mill and Kennedy.

They'll go if the host school offers better opportunities than the home school and they can swing the commute.

We are zoned for Einstein. I have hope that Einstein will be a good place for my DC, especially since it will be a relatively smaller school. DC is pretty average academically and will probably be well served with standard MCPS courses available at every high school. But BCC and Blair definitely offer a wider variety of courses, and there are public buses to both of these schools with stops near our home. Whitman would probably be too difficult, nor is it the environment I'd want for DC especially away from all their friends.

For kids who don't want STEM, Einstein is perfect.

I really hate for this rumor to get traction. My Einstein grad is in college for engineering, his good friend who also graduated from Einstein is studying chemistry in college, and a third friend is majoring in physics at UMD. This is flat-out incorrect, apparently driven by that one poster who is annoyed that Einstein doesn’t offer multivariable calculus.

Rumor? There are two engineering classes right now, both taught during the same period/same teacher (who is a good teacher and tries hard but its an impossible task). There are no AP science classes at Einstein right now. Things have changed a lot since your kids went to school. Don't tell us we are lying when we have kids at the school. Is it possible they get in, of course. Does it make it harder when you don't have the same rigor, absolutely?

I still have a child at the school. It is disingenuous to say they don’t have AP science classes, because it’s an IB school and they have IB science classes. And you don’t have to have engineering classes in high school in my opinion.

I just checked the test stats from OSA (office of shared accountability. Believe it or not, there is still somewhere in central office that talks about accountability). Einstein do not consistently offer IB HL math (missing 2022, 2023), IBL bio (missing 2021, 2024) and IB Physics (missing 2020, 2022) in the past 6 years. Not too bad as other local IB programs also miss data here or there. Springbrook and Watkins Mill seem to be most seriously seen missing offering IB courses in a consistent pattern.

IB and AP aren't equal. IB is very different. Not al kids want AP. Yes, you do need to do engineering if you want to major in it in college. Your opinion is wrong.

What are you talking about? Neither AP or IB curriculum offers engineering specifically. For college application, if they don't see an engineering class on your school's bulletin, they won't force your child to take an outside-of-school equivalent. Your kid is judged amongst their peers, i.e., other seniors at Einstein, not seniors from Blair or Wheaton. So if your kid is really interested in engineering track, he/she should take IB physics and/or IB chemistry/bio to demonstrate the interests and foundation.

I don't understand why HSs should offer both AP and IB. That could be too overwhelming, and honestly speaking, AP is slightly more rigorous, difficult and broader choices than IB in general sense. I really think we shouldn't have so many IB programs in the first place.

Einstein used to offer both AP and IB science classes several years back, and they couldn't get enough students to register to keep offering both classes, so they dropped the APs in favor of IBs, as they are required to offer IB science classes as an IB school.

There are enough students to hold at least one class. The issue is that many kids are going to Wheaton and Blair or private schools because of the lack of course offerings. If it were offered, perhaps more kids would stay at Einstein, making it a stronger school. The admin actively discourages kids from taking advanced classes, including Calc BC. Maybe some of the posters here are the ones saying its not necessary and not caring about how much it hurts students. Competitive programs want to see AP science, engineering, computer science and other classes. If a student is equal in grades and scores but has more stem, they will be choosen.

There are tons of high schools in the US that don't have any AP or IB classes. Colleges know that students can't control which classes their school offers. If you take your school's highest level courses, colleges will know that and look favorably on your application.

That there are schools elsewhere without is irrelevant to MCPS, where there are lots, but where the system allows for a have-and-have-not dichotomy, and where that does play in the college admissions game, as noted elsewhere in this thread, via its tiebreaking nature even if the line about just taking the most rigorous available to you is true before tiebreakers.

Also, understanding that you were responding to someone making a point about college admissions, it's still important to note that the main purpose of MCPS isn't getting a kid into college but, rather, is providing an education...and they aren't doing that with reasonable similarity across schools.

Most people consider AP and IB classes to be reasonably similar.

For math, they aren’t equal at all. Ib is great for non-stem kids.

Einstein offers AP math as well.

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Is this true? There's no way this is actually what's going to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:When you add all the regional programs together, MCPS appears to be assuming that almost half of high school students will be in one of them. It's nuts

Is this true? There's no way this is actually what's going to happen.

30-75 per grade per program, on average each HS hosts 3 programs, so on average each HS has 30+60+75 = 165 students per grade enrolled in the regional program. For small HS like Einstein, it's about 33%. For large HS like Blair, it's about 21%.

When you have 20-30% students in magnets, it's not magnet anymore. It's honors for all.