Size & placement of regional magnet programs set to decimate non-host, non-rich schools

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Anonymous wrote:I just need to insert some facts for the benefit of people who are reading here that “Einstein has no STEM.” They have AP Calc and Stats, and 2-year sequences of IB Chem, IB Bio, and IB Physics. My Einstein grad is thriving in engineering in college. Get some perspective here.

Some kids would prefer more than that and two year sequences make it hard to take other classes. You need to get some perspective as not all kids want or nerf the same thing. Stem is more than math and science. IB is not equal in math. Some kids want engineering, computer science and more. Saying it was enough for my kid, so take what you get while other schools have much more is selfish. All our kids should have the same opportunities. Stem is very limited at Einstein. Einstein would be very disappointed. Wouldn’t it have been great if your engineering student had more access to engineering classes and ap physics which is a standard class for engineering?

No actually he was psyched for two years of IB physics. You sure have got a bee in your bonnet.

Yea, for them. Not everyone wants 2 years or can fit it in their schedule, and AP works best, which is a very different class. They can take away one IB class from each subject and offer AP.

They did that, and it didn't work, so they stopped.

Explain in more detail, please?

They used to offer both AP and IB science classes, but it led to very small classes in each because there wasn't enough interest to sustain both, so they kept IB, because they are required to offer IB classes as an IB school.

One reason for lack of interest, which I don't believe, is because the smarter kids either get into the magnets or lottery into other schools with more stem. In order to have interest you have to offer it to encourage students to stay at the school.

They did offer it. Enrollment has only grown over the years so kids aren't exactly fleeing the school.

Enrollment is declining and they are losing staff. Smarter kids are fleeing, for average or non-stem/artsy kids its fine and can meet their needs.

I have two STEM kids, one grad and one there now, and I strongly disagree with you. And it's offensive that you keep calling some kids "smarter" as if you have any clue.

Most of the stem kids leave due to the lack of engineering or computer science. Many kids want ap and other classes. Our youngest will go to private if we cannot cosa or lottery them. They promised lots of offerings and each year the offerings are reduced. They have some great teachers capable.

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Anonymous wrote:I just need to insert some facts for the benefit of people who are reading here that “Einstein has no STEM.” They have AP Calc and Stats, and 2-year sequences of IB Chem, IB Bio, and IB Physics. My Einstein grad is thriving in engineering in college. Get some perspective here.

Some kids would prefer more than that and two year sequences make it hard to take other classes. You need to get some perspective as not all kids want or nerf the same thing. Stem is more than math and science. IB is not equal in math. Some kids want engineering, computer science and more. Saying it was enough for my kid, so take what you get while other schools have much more is selfish. All our kids should have the same opportunities. Stem is very limited at Einstein. Einstein would be very disappointed. Wouldn’t it have been great if your engineering student had more access to engineering classes and ap physics which is a standard class for engineering?

No actually he was psyched for two years of IB physics. You sure have got a bee in your bonnet.

Yea, for them. Not everyone wants 2 years or can fit it in their schedule, and AP works best, which is a very different class. They can take away one IB class from each subject and offer AP.

I’ve yet to understand why people think AP classes “work best”, when quality IB classes should be more rigorous and require more critical thought and input from students.

They aren’t more rigorous in math. Look at the IB vs Calc curriculum. IB is best for humanities and those not wanting to go on to MVC and beyond, AP is best for STEM. It’s not about better or worse as they both serve their purpose but are very different in content. So, it depends on your end goal.

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AP Calculus BC focuses intensely on single-variable calculus (derivatives, integrals, series), acting as a fast-paced, theoretical college-level course. IB Math (specifically AA HL) is a two-year, broader curriculum covering calculus alongside deep algebra, vectors, and statistics, emphasizing conceptual application and investigation, generally considered more rigorous than BC.
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Key Comparisons:
Content Scope: AP Calc BC covers limits, derivatives, integrals, and advanced series. IB Math (AA HL) covers these plus substantial topics in algebraic structures, trigonometry, vectors, and complex numbers.
Pacing and Difficulty: AP Calc BC is fast-paced, focusing on mastery of calculus. IB Math HL is known for its depth, difficulty, and requirement for internal assessment (IA) projects.
Methodology: AP courses focus on theoretical, standardized exam preparation. IB encourages conceptual understanding, "math in real life," and in-depth investigations (IA).
Assessment: AP Calc BC is a single, heavily weighted exam. IB Math is assessed through two or three external exam papers plus an internal investigation.
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Which to Choose?
Take AP Calc BC if: You want to earn college credit (commonly 2 semesters), are focused on engineering/physics, and prefer a faster-paced focused calculus class.
Take IB Math HL if: You are pursuing the full IB Diploma, enjoy theoretical math, and prefer a broader, deeper mathematical foundation over two years.
Overlap: While Calc BC helps with the calculus portions of IB Math HL, they are not directly interchangeable, and IB HL generally goes beyond the scope of BC in areas other than series

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Anonymous wrote:I just need to insert some facts for the benefit of people who are reading here that “Einstein has no STEM.” They have AP Calc and Stats, and 2-year sequences of IB Chem, IB Bio, and IB Physics. My Einstein grad is thriving in engineering in college. Get some perspective here.

Some kids would prefer more than that and two year sequences make it hard to take other classes. You need to get some perspective as not all kids want or nerf the same thing. Stem is more than math and science. IB is not equal in math. Some kids want engineering, computer science and more. Saying it was enough for my kid, so take what you get while other schools have much more is selfish. All our kids should have the same opportunities. Stem is very limited at Einstein. Einstein would be very disappointed. Wouldn’t it have been great if your engineering student had more access to engineering classes and ap physics which is a standard class for engineering?

No actually he was psyched for two years of IB physics. You sure have got a bee in your bonnet.

Yea, for them. Not everyone wants 2 years or can fit it in their schedule, and AP works best, which is a very different class. They can take away one IB class from each subject and offer AP.

They did that, and it didn't work, so they stopped.

Explain in more detail, please?

They used to offer both AP and IB science classes, but it led to very small classes in each because there wasn't enough interest to sustain both, so they kept IB, because they are required to offer IB classes as an IB school.

One reason for lack of interest, which I don't believe, is because the smarter kids either get into the magnets or lottery into other schools with more stem. In order to have interest you have to offer it to encourage students to stay at the school.

They did offer it. Enrollment has only grown over the years so kids aren't exactly fleeing the school.

Enrollment is declining and they are losing staff. Smarter kids are fleeing, for average or non-stem/artsy kids its fine and can meet their needs.

I have two STEM kids, one grad and one there now, and I strongly disagree with you. And it's offensive that you keep calling some kids "smarter" as if you have any clue.

Most of the stem kids leave due to the lack of engineering or computer science. Many kids want ap and other classes. Our youngest will go to private if we cannot cosa or lottery them. They promised lots of offerings and each year the offerings are reduced. They have some great teachers capable.

There are at least four computer science classes, as my current senior has had one each year.

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Anonymous wrote:I just need to insert some facts for the benefit of people who are reading here that “Einstein has no STEM.” They have AP Calc and Stats, and 2-year sequences of IB Chem, IB Bio, and IB Physics. My Einstein grad is thriving in engineering in college. Get some perspective here.

Some kids would prefer more than that and two year sequences make it hard to take other classes. You need to get some perspective as not all kids want or nerf the same thing. Stem is more than math and science. IB is not equal in math. Some kids want engineering, computer science and more. Saying it was enough for my kid, so take what you get while other schools have much more is selfish. All our kids should have the same opportunities. Stem is very limited at Einstein. Einstein would be very disappointed. Wouldn’t it have been great if your engineering student had more access to engineering classes and ap physics which is a standard class for engineering?

No actually he was psyched for two years of IB physics. You sure have got a bee in your bonnet.

Yea, for them. Not everyone wants 2 years or can fit it in their schedule, and AP works best, which is a very different class. They can take away one IB class from each subject and offer AP.

They did that, and it didn't work, so they stopped.

Explain in more detail, please?

They used to offer both AP and IB science classes, but it led to very small classes in each because there wasn't enough interest to sustain both, so they kept IB, because they are required to offer IB classes as an IB school.

One reason for lack of interest, which I don't believe, is because the smarter kids either get into the magnets or lottery into other schools with more stem. In order to have interest you have to offer it to encourage students to stay at the school.

They did offer it. Enrollment has only grown over the years so kids aren't exactly fleeing the school.

Enrollment is declining and they are losing staff. Smarter kids are fleeing, for average or non-stem/artsy kids its fine and can meet their needs.

I have two STEM kids, one grad and one there now, and I strongly disagree with you. And it's offensive that you keep calling some kids "smarter" as if you have any clue.

Most of the stem kids leave due to the lack of engineering or computer science. Many kids want ap and other classes. Our youngest will go to private if we cannot cosa or lottery them. They promised lots of offerings and each year the offerings are reduced. They have some great teachers capable.

There are at least four computer science classes, as my current senior has had one each year.

There are three beyond the basic classes for all.

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Anonymous wrote:I just need to insert some facts for the benefit of people who are reading here that “Einstein has no STEM.” They have AP Calc and Stats, and 2-year sequences of IB Chem, IB Bio, and IB Physics. My Einstein grad is thriving in engineering in college. Get some perspective here.

Some kids would prefer more than that and two year sequences make it hard to take other classes. You need to get some perspective as not all kids want or nerf the same thing. Stem is more than math and science. IB is not equal in math. Some kids want engineering, computer science and more. Saying it was enough for my kid, so take what you get while other schools have much more is selfish. All our kids should have the same opportunities. Stem is very limited at Einstein. Einstein would be very disappointed. Wouldn’t it have been great if your engineering student had more access to engineering classes and ap physics which is a standard class for engineering?

No actually he was psyched for two years of IB physics. You sure have got a bee in your bonnet.

Yea, for them. Not everyone wants 2 years or can fit it in their schedule, and AP works best, which is a very different class. They can take away one IB class from each subject and offer AP.

They did that, and it didn't work, so they stopped.

Explain in more detail, please?

They used to offer both AP and IB science classes, but it led to very small classes in each because there wasn't enough interest to sustain both, so they kept IB, because they are required to offer IB classes as an IB school.

One reason for lack of interest, which I don't believe, is because the smarter kids either get into the magnets or lottery into other schools with more stem. In order to have interest you have to offer it to encourage students to stay at the school.

They did offer it. Enrollment has only grown over the years so kids aren't exactly fleeing the school.

Enrollment is declining and they are losing staff. Smarter kids are fleeing, for average or non-stem/artsy kids its fine and can meet their needs.

I have two STEM kids, one grad and one there now, and I strongly disagree with you. And it's offensive that you keep calling some kids "smarter" as if you have any clue.

Most of the stem kids leave due to the lack of engineering or computer science. Many kids want ap and other classes. Our youngest will go to private if we cannot cosa or lottery them. They promised lots of offerings and each year the offerings are reduced. They have some great teachers capable.

There are at least four computer science classes, as my current senior has had one each year.

There are three beyond the basic classes for all.

So, five

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Anonymous wrote:I just need to insert some facts for the benefit of people who are reading here that “Einstein has no STEM.” They have AP Calc and Stats, and 2-year sequences of IB Chem, IB Bio, and IB Physics. My Einstein grad is thriving in engineering in college. Get some perspective here.

Some kids would prefer more than that and two year sequences make it hard to take other classes. You need to get some perspective as not all kids want or nerf the same thing. Stem is more than math and science. IB is not equal in math. Some kids want engineering, computer science and more. Saying it was enough for my kid, so take what you get while other schools have much more is selfish. All our kids should have the same opportunities. Stem is very limited at Einstein. Einstein would be very disappointed. Wouldn’t it have been great if your engineering student had more access to engineering classes and ap physics which is a standard class for engineering?

No actually he was psyched for two years of IB physics. You sure have got a bee in your bonnet.

Yea, for them. Not everyone wants 2 years or can fit it in their schedule, and AP works best, which is a very different class. They can take away one IB class from each subject and offer AP.

They did that, and it didn't work, so they stopped.

Explain in more detail, please?

They used to offer both AP and IB science classes, but it led to very small classes in each because there wasn't enough interest to sustain both, so they kept IB, because they are required to offer IB classes as an IB school.

One reason for lack of interest, which I don't believe, is because the smarter kids either get into the magnets or lottery into other schools with more stem. In order to have interest you have to offer it to encourage students to stay at the school.

They did offer it. Enrollment has only grown over the years so kids aren't exactly fleeing the school.

Enrollment is declining and they are losing staff. Smarter kids are fleeing, for average or non-stem/artsy kids its fine and can meet their needs.

I have two STEM kids, one grad and one there now, and I strongly disagree with you. And it's offensive that you keep calling some kids "smarter" as if you have any clue.

Most of the stem kids leave due to the lack of engineering or computer science. Many kids want ap and other classes. Our youngest will go to private if we cannot cosa or lottery them. They promised lots of offerings and each year the offerings are reduced. They have some great teachers capable.

You should research private schools now. Many are 1-2 years behind in math compared to MCPS. They will be 2-3 years behind after the implementation of integrated math.

Not only do a lot of privates make all 9th graders take Algebra 1, but they do their own placement tests and have their own staffing issues. The grass isn’t always greener!

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Anonymous wrote:I just need to insert some facts for the benefit of people who are reading here that “Einstein has no STEM.” They have AP Calc and Stats, and 2-year sequences of IB Chem, IB Bio, and IB Physics. My Einstein grad is thriving in engineering in college. Get some perspective here.

Some kids would prefer more than that and two year sequences make it hard to take other classes. You need to get some perspective as not all kids want or nerf the same thing. Stem is more than math and science. IB is not equal in math. Some kids want engineering, computer science and more. Saying it was enough for my kid, so take what you get while other schools have much more is selfish. All our kids should have the same opportunities. Stem is very limited at Einstein. Einstein would be very disappointed. Wouldn’t it have been great if your engineering student had more access to engineering classes and ap physics which is a standard class for engineering?

No actually he was psyched for two years of IB physics. You sure have got a bee in your bonnet.

Yea, for them. Not everyone wants 2 years or can fit it in their schedule, and AP works best, which is a very different class. They can take away one IB class from each subject and offer AP.

They did that, and it didn't work, so they stopped.

Explain in more detail, please?

They used to offer both AP and IB science classes, but it led to very small classes in each because there wasn't enough interest to sustain both, so they kept IB, because they are required to offer IB classes as an IB school.

One reason for lack of interest, which I don't believe, is because the smarter kids either get into the magnets or lottery into other schools with more stem. In order to have interest you have to offer it to encourage students to stay at the school.

They did offer it. Enrollment has only grown over the years so kids aren't exactly fleeing the school.

Enrollment is declining and they are losing staff. Smarter kids are fleeing, for average or non-stem/artsy kids its fine and can meet their needs.

I have two STEM kids, one grad and one there now, and I strongly disagree with you. And it's offensive that you keep calling some kids "smarter" as if you have any clue.

Most of the stem kids leave due to the lack of engineering or computer science. Many kids want ap and other classes. Our youngest will go to private if we cannot cosa or lottery them. They promised lots of offerings and each year the offerings are reduced. They have some great teachers capable.

You should research private schools now. Many are 1-2 years behind in math compared to MCPS. They will be 2-3 years behind after the implementation of integrated math.

Not only do a lot of privates make all 9th graders take Algebra 1, but they do their own placement tests and have their own staffing issues. The grass isn’t always greener!

It shouldn't be about MCPS vs. private. It should be about an MCPS education being an MCPS education (of considerably similar nature) no matter which MCPS school you attend. No have/have-not dichotomy.

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Anonymous wrote:I just need to insert some facts for the benefit of people who are reading here that “Einstein has no STEM.” They have AP Calc and Stats, and 2-year sequences of IB Chem, IB Bio, and IB Physics. My Einstein grad is thriving in engineering in college. Get some perspective here.

Some kids would prefer more than that and two year sequences make it hard to take other classes. You need to get some perspective as not all kids want or nerf the same thing. Stem is more than math and science. IB is not equal in math. Some kids want engineering, computer science and more. Saying it was enough for my kid, so take what you get while other schools have much more is selfish. All our kids should have the same opportunities. Stem is very limited at Einstein. Einstein would be very disappointed. Wouldn’t it have been great if your engineering student had more access to engineering classes and ap physics which is a standard class for engineering?

No actually he was psyched for two years of IB physics. You sure have got a bee in your bonnet.

Yea, for them. Not everyone wants 2 years or can fit it in their schedule, and AP works best, which is a very different class. They can take away one IB class from each subject and offer AP.

They did that, and it didn't work, so they stopped.

Explain in more detail, please?

They used to offer both AP and IB science classes, but it led to very small classes in each because there wasn't enough interest to sustain both, so they kept IB, because they are required to offer IB classes as an IB school.

One reason for lack of interest, which I don't believe, is because the smarter kids either get into the magnets or lottery into other schools with more stem. In order to have interest you have to offer it to encourage students to stay at the school.

They did offer it. Enrollment has only grown over the years so kids aren't exactly fleeing the school.

Enrollment is declining and they are losing staff. Smarter kids are fleeing, for average or non-stem/artsy kids its fine and can meet their needs.

I have two STEM kids, one grad and one there now, and I strongly disagree with you. And it's offensive that you keep calling some kids "smarter" as if you have any clue.

Most of the stem kids leave due to the lack of engineering or computer science. Many kids want ap and other classes. Our youngest will go to private if we cannot cosa or lottery them. They promised lots of offerings and each year the offerings are reduced. They have some great teachers capable.

You should research private schools now. Many are 1-2 years behind in math compared to MCPS. They will be 2-3 years behind after the implementation of integrated math.

Not only do a lot of privates make all 9th graders take Algebra 1, but they do their own placement tests and have their own staffing issues. The grass isn’t always greener!

It shouldn't be about MCPS vs. private. It should be about an MCPS education being an MCPS education (of considerably similar nature) no matter which MCPS school you attend. No have/have-not dichotomy.

Correct, but that's not what is happening. It is about MCPS vs. private. Not all schools make kids take tests, but many hold kids back from starting Algebra as its easier on them (having talked to several about). For us, we will be forced to move or go private so it is very much an issue of it. I looked at it all for my oldest and regretted keeping them in MCPS as they had some good acceptances willing to work with them on the math issue but they wanted to stay public with their friends. Some will allow you to do math virtually or do a self-study with a tutor if they don't offer it. MCPS will not.

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Anonymous wrote:I just need to insert some facts for the benefit of people who are reading here that “Einstein has no STEM.” They have AP Calc and Stats, and 2-year sequences of IB Chem, IB Bio, and IB Physics. My Einstein grad is thriving in engineering in college. Get some perspective here.

Some kids would prefer more than that and two year sequences make it hard to take other classes. You need to get some perspective as not all kids want or nerf the same thing. Stem is more than math and science. IB is not equal in math. Some kids want engineering, computer science and more. Saying it was enough for my kid, so take what you get while other schools have much more is selfish. All our kids should have the same opportunities. Stem is very limited at Einstein. Einstein would be very disappointed. Wouldn’t it have been great if your engineering student had more access to engineering classes and ap physics which is a standard class for engineering?

No actually he was psyched for two years of IB physics. You sure have got a bee in your bonnet.

Yea, for them. Not everyone wants 2 years or can fit it in their schedule, and AP works best, which is a very different class. They can take away one IB class from each subject and offer AP.

They did that, and it didn't work, so they stopped.

Explain in more detail, please?

They used to offer both AP and IB science classes, but it led to very small classes in each because there wasn't enough interest to sustain both, so they kept IB, because they are required to offer IB classes as an IB school.

One reason for lack of interest, which I don't believe, is because the smarter kids either get into the magnets or lottery into other schools with more stem. In order to have interest you have to offer it to encourage students to stay at the school.

They did offer it. Enrollment has only grown over the years so kids aren't exactly fleeing the school.

Enrollment is declining and they are losing staff. Smarter kids are fleeing, for average or non-stem/artsy kids its fine and can meet their needs.

I have two STEM kids, one grad and one there now, and I strongly disagree with you. And it's offensive that you keep calling some kids "smarter" as if you have any clue.

Most of the stem kids leave due to the lack of engineering or computer science. Many kids want ap and other classes. Our youngest will go to private if we cannot cosa or lottery them. They promised lots of offerings and each year the offerings are reduced. They have some great teachers capable.

There are at least four computer science classes, as my current senior has had one each year.

There are three beyond the basic classes for all.

So, five

There are not 4 advanced computer science classes. There are three. There is one advanced engineering class and most of the students bailed as it is a flipped classroom style class with the teacher teaching two classes at once.

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Anonymous wrote:I just need to insert some facts for the benefit of people who are reading here that “Einstein has no STEM.” They have AP Calc and Stats, and 2-year sequences of IB Chem, IB Bio, and IB Physics. My Einstein grad is thriving in engineering in college. Get some perspective here.

Some kids would prefer more than that and two year sequences make it hard to take other classes. You need to get some perspective as not all kids want or nerf the same thing. Stem is more than math and science. IB is not equal in math. Some kids want engineering, computer science and more. Saying it was enough for my kid, so take what you get while other schools have much more is selfish. All our kids should have the same opportunities. Stem is very limited at Einstein. Einstein would be very disappointed. Wouldn’t it have been great if your engineering student had more access to engineering classes and ap physics which is a standard class for engineering?

No actually he was psyched for two years of IB physics. You sure have got a bee in your bonnet.

Yea, for them. Not everyone wants 2 years or can fit it in their schedule, and AP works best, which is a very different class. They can take away one IB class from each subject and offer AP.

They did that, and it didn't work, so they stopped.

Explain in more detail, please?

They used to offer both AP and IB science classes, but it led to very small classes in each because there wasn't enough interest to sustain both, so they kept IB, because they are required to offer IB classes as an IB school.

One reason for lack of interest, which I don't believe, is because the smarter kids either get into the magnets or lottery into other schools with more stem. In order to have interest you have to offer it to encourage students to stay at the school.

They did offer it. Enrollment has only grown over the years so kids aren't exactly fleeing the school.

Enrollment is declining and they are losing staff. Smarter kids are fleeing, for average or non-stem/artsy kids its fine and can meet their needs.

I have two STEM kids, one grad and one there now, and I strongly disagree with you. And it's offensive that you keep calling some kids "smarter" as if you have any clue.

Most of the stem kids leave due to the lack of engineering or computer science. Many kids want ap and other classes. Our youngest will go to private if we cannot cosa or lottery them. They promised lots of offerings and each year the offerings are reduced. They have some great teachers capable.

You should research private schools now. Many are 1-2 years behind in math compared to MCPS. They will be 2-3 years behind after the implementation of integrated math.

Not only do a lot of privates make all 9th graders take Algebra 1, but they do their own placement tests and have their own staffing issues. The grass isn’t always greener!

It shouldn't be about MCPS vs. private. It should be about an MCPS education being an MCPS education (of considerably similar nature) no matter which MCPS school you attend. No have/have-not dichotomy.

Correct, but that's not what is happening. It is about MCPS vs. private. Not all schools make kids take tests, but many hold kids back from starting Algebra as its easier on them (having talked to several about). For us, we will be forced to move or go private so it is very much an issue of it. I looked at it all for my oldest and regretted keeping them in MCPS as they had some good acceptances willing to work with them on the math issue but they wanted to stay public with their friends. Some will allow you to do math virtually or do a self-study with a tutor if they don't offer it. MCPS will not.

I thought all middle schools allowed Algebra 1 in 7th-- is that not rrue? What schools do not?

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Anonymous wrote:I just need to insert some facts for the benefit of people who are reading here that “Einstein has no STEM.” They have AP Calc and Stats, and 2-year sequences of IB Chem, IB Bio, and IB Physics. My Einstein grad is thriving in engineering in college. Get some perspective here.

Some kids would prefer more than that and two year sequences make it hard to take other classes. You need to get some perspective as not all kids want or nerf the same thing. Stem is more than math and science. IB is not equal in math. Some kids want engineering, computer science and more. Saying it was enough for my kid, so take what you get while other schools have much more is selfish. All our kids should have the same opportunities. Stem is very limited at Einstein. Einstein would be very disappointed. Wouldn’t it have been great if your engineering student had more access to engineering classes and ap physics which is a standard class for engineering?

No actually he was psyched for two years of IB physics. You sure have got a bee in your bonnet.

Yea, for them. Not everyone wants 2 years or can fit it in their schedule, and AP works best, which is a very different class. They can take away one IB class from each subject and offer AP.

I’ve yet to understand why people think AP classes “work best”, when quality IB classes should be more rigorous and require more critical thought and input from students.

They aren’t more rigorous in math. Look at the IB vs Calc curriculum. IB is best for humanities and those not wanting to go on to MVC and beyond, AP is best for STEM. It’s not about better or worse as they both serve their purpose but are very different in content. So, it depends on your end goal.

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AP Calculus BC focuses intensely on single-variable calculus (derivatives, integrals, series), acting as a fast-paced, theoretical college-level course. IB Math (specifically AA HL) is a two-year, broader curriculum covering calculus alongside deep algebra, vectors, and statistics, emphasizing conceptual application and investigation, generally considered more rigorous than BC.
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Key Comparisons:
Content Scope: AP Calc BC covers limits, derivatives, integrals, and advanced series. IB Math (AA HL) covers these plus substantial topics in algebraic structures, trigonometry, vectors, and complex numbers.
Pacing and Difficulty: AP Calc BC is fast-paced, focusing on mastery of calculus. IB Math HL is known for its depth, difficulty, and requirement for internal assessment (IA) projects.
Methodology: AP courses focus on theoretical, standardized exam preparation. IB encourages conceptual understanding, "math in real life," and in-depth investigations (IA).
Assessment: AP Calc BC is a single, heavily weighted exam. IB Math is assessed through two or three external exam papers plus an internal investigation.
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Which to Choose?
Take AP Calc BC if: You want to earn college credit (commonly 2 semesters), are focused on engineering/physics, and prefer a faster-paced focused calculus class.
Take IB Math HL if: You are pursuing the full IB Diploma, enjoy theoretical math, and prefer a broader, deeper mathematical foundation over two years.
Overlap: While Calc BC helps with the calculus portions of IB Math HL, they are not directly interchangeable, and IB HL generally goes beyond the scope of BC in areas other than series

So you used AI to prove my point that IB should be more rigorous. No one said it was a swap for an AP class but a more rigorous path.

Also, if should actually be better if you’re someone looking to major in Engineering/Physics/Comp Science/ or any major science that considers the logical and theoretical.

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Anonymous wrote:I just need to insert some facts for the benefit of people who are reading here that “Einstein has no STEM.” They have AP Calc and Stats, and 2-year sequences of IB Chem, IB Bio, and IB Physics. My Einstein grad is thriving in engineering in college. Get some perspective here.

Some kids would prefer more than that and two year sequences make it hard to take other classes. You need to get some perspective as not all kids want or nerf the same thing. Stem is more than math and science. IB is not equal in math. Some kids want engineering, computer science and more. Saying it was enough for my kid, so take what you get while other schools have much more is selfish. All our kids should have the same opportunities. Stem is very limited at Einstein. Einstein would be very disappointed. Wouldn’t it have been great if your engineering student had more access to engineering classes and ap physics which is a standard class for engineering?

No actually he was psyched for two years of IB physics. You sure have got a bee in your bonnet.

Yea, for them. Not everyone wants 2 years or can fit it in their schedule, and AP works best, which is a very different class. They can take away one IB class from each subject and offer AP.

They did that, and it didn't work, so they stopped.

Explain in more detail, please?

They used to offer both AP and IB science classes, but it led to very small classes in each because there wasn't enough interest to sustain both, so they kept IB, because they are required to offer IB classes as an IB school.

One reason for lack of interest, which I don't believe, is because the smarter kids either get into the magnets or lottery into other schools with more stem. In order to have interest you have to offer it to encourage students to stay at the school.

They did offer it. Enrollment has only grown over the years so kids aren't exactly fleeing the school.

Enrollment is declining and they are losing staff. Smarter kids are fleeing, for average or non-stem/artsy kids its fine and can meet their needs.

I have two STEM kids, one grad and one there now, and I strongly disagree with you. And it's offensive that you keep calling some kids "smarter" as if you have any clue.

Most of the stem kids leave due to the lack of engineering or computer science. Many kids want ap and other classes. Our youngest will go to private if we cannot cosa or lottery them. They promised lots of offerings and each year the offerings are reduced. They have some great teachers capable.

There are at least four computer science classes, as my current senior has had one each year.

There are three beyond the basic classes for all.

So, five

There are not 4 advanced computer science classes. There are three. There is one advanced engineering class and most of the students bailed as it is a flipped classroom style class with the teacher teaching two classes at once.

There's FoCS, the two AP classes, and the two Computer Programming classes. Which is comparable to most other high schools without a magnet program.

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Anonymous wrote:I just need to insert some facts for the benefit of people who are reading here that “Einstein has no STEM.” They have AP Calc and Stats, and 2-year sequences of IB Chem, IB Bio, and IB Physics. My Einstein grad is thriving in engineering in college. Get some perspective here.

Some kids would prefer more than that and two year sequences make it hard to take other classes. You need to get some perspective as not all kids want or nerf the same thing. Stem is more than math and science. IB is not equal in math. Some kids want engineering, computer science and more. Saying it was enough for my kid, so take what you get while other schools have much more is selfish. All our kids should have the same opportunities. Stem is very limited at Einstein. Einstein would be very disappointed. Wouldn’t it have been great if your engineering student had more access to engineering classes and ap physics which is a standard class for engineering?

No actually he was psyched for two years of IB physics. You sure have got a bee in your bonnet.

Yea, for them. Not everyone wants 2 years or can fit it in their schedule, and AP works best, which is a very different class. They can take away one IB class from each subject and offer AP.

I’ve yet to understand why people think AP classes “work best”, when quality IB classes should be more rigorous and require more critical thought and input from students.

They aren’t more rigorous in math. Look at the IB vs Calc curriculum. IB is best for humanities and those not wanting to go on to MVC and beyond, AP is best for STEM. It’s not about better or worse as they both serve their purpose but are very different in content. So, it depends on your end goal.

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AP Calculus BC focuses intensely on single-variable calculus (derivatives, integrals, series), acting as a fast-paced, theoretical college-level course. IB Math (specifically AA HL) is a two-year, broader curriculum covering calculus alongside deep algebra, vectors, and statistics, emphasizing conceptual application and investigation, generally considered more rigorous than BC.
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Key Comparisons:
Content Scope: AP Calc BC covers limits, derivatives, integrals, and advanced series. IB Math (AA HL) covers these plus substantial topics in algebraic structures, trigonometry, vectors, and complex numbers.
Pacing and Difficulty: AP Calc BC is fast-paced, focusing on mastery of calculus. IB Math HL is known for its depth, difficulty, and requirement for internal assessment (IA) projects.
Methodology: AP courses focus on theoretical, standardized exam preparation. IB encourages conceptual understanding, "math in real life," and in-depth investigations (IA).
Assessment: AP Calc BC is a single, heavily weighted exam. IB Math is assessed through two or three external exam papers plus an internal investigation.
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Which to Choose?
Take AP Calc BC if: You want to earn college credit (commonly 2 semesters), are focused on engineering/physics, and prefer a faster-paced focused calculus class.
Take IB Math HL if: You are pursuing the full IB Diploma, enjoy theoretical math, and prefer a broader, deeper mathematical foundation over two years.
Overlap: While Calc BC helps with the calculus portions of IB Math HL, they are not directly interchangeable, and IB HL generally goes beyond the scope of BC in areas other than series

So you used AI to prove my point that IB should be more rigorous. No one said it was a swap for an AP class but a more rigorous path.

Also, if should actually be better if you’re someone looking to major in Engineering/Physics/Comp Science/ or any major science that considers the logical and theoretical.

No, you aren’t understanding the differences. IB is not enough for MVC or above. IB math does not cover linear algebra or MVC nor do you want to rush all that.

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Anonymous wrote:I just need to insert some facts for the benefit of people who are reading here that “Einstein has no STEM.” They have AP Calc and Stats, and 2-year sequences of IB Chem, IB Bio, and IB Physics. My Einstein grad is thriving in engineering in college. Get some perspective here.

Some kids would prefer more than that and two year sequences make it hard to take other classes. You need to get some perspective as not all kids want or nerf the same thing. Stem is more than math and science. IB is not equal in math. Some kids want engineering, computer science and more. Saying it was enough for my kid, so take what you get while other schools have much more is selfish. All our kids should have the same opportunities. Stem is very limited at Einstein. Einstein would be very disappointed. Wouldn’t it have been great if your engineering student had more access to engineering classes and ap physics which is a standard class for engineering?

No actually he was psyched for two years of IB physics. You sure have got a bee in your bonnet.

Yea, for them. Not everyone wants 2 years or can fit it in their schedule, and AP works best, which is a very different class. They can take away one IB class from each subject and offer AP.

They did that, and it didn't work, so they stopped.

Explain in more detail, please?

They used to offer both AP and IB science classes, but it led to very small classes in each because there wasn't enough interest to sustain both, so they kept IB, because they are required to offer IB classes as an IB school.

One reason for lack of interest, which I don't believe, is because the smarter kids either get into the magnets or lottery into other schools with more stem. In order to have interest you have to offer it to encourage students to stay at the school.

They did offer it. Enrollment has only grown over the years so kids aren't exactly fleeing the school.

Enrollment is declining and they are losing staff. Smarter kids are fleeing, for average or non-stem/artsy kids its fine and can meet their needs.

I have two STEM kids, one grad and one there now, and I strongly disagree with you. And it's offensive that you keep calling some kids "smarter" as if you have any clue.

Most of the stem kids leave due to the lack of engineering or computer science. Many kids want ap and other classes. Our youngest will go to private if we cannot cosa or lottery them. They promised lots of offerings and each year the offerings are reduced. They have some great teachers capable.

You should research private schools now. Many are 1-2 years behind in math compared to MCPS. They will be 2-3 years behind after the implementation of integrated math.

Not only do a lot of privates make all 9th graders take Algebra 1, but they do their own placement tests and have their own staffing issues. The grass isn’t always greener!

It shouldn't be about MCPS vs. private. It should be about an MCPS education being an MCPS education (of considerably similar nature) no matter which MCPS school you attend. No have/have-not dichotomy.

Correct, but that's not what is happening. It is about MCPS vs. private. Not all schools make kids take tests, but many hold kids back from starting Algebra as its easier on them (having talked to several about). For us, we will be forced to move or go private so it is very much an issue of it. I looked at it all for my oldest and regretted keeping them in MCPS as they had some good acceptances willing to work with them on the math issue but they wanted to stay public with their friends. Some will allow you to do math virtually or do a self-study with a tutor if they don't offer it. MCPS will not.

I thought all middle schools allowed Algebra 1 in 7th-- is that not rrue? What schools do not?

Yes, some allow in 6th. If you start in 7th you can make it to MVC.

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Some kids would prefer more than that and two year sequences make it hard to take other classes. You need to get some perspective as not all kids want or nerf the same thing. Stem is more than math and science. IB is not equal in math. Some kids want engineering, computer science and more. Saying it was enough for my kid, so take what you get while other schools have much more is selfish. All our kids should have the same opportunities. Stem is very limited at Einstein. Einstein would be very disappointed. Wouldn’t it have been great if your engineering student had more access to engineering classes and ap physics which is a standard class for engineering?

No actually he was psyched for two years of IB physics. You sure have got a bee in your bonnet.

Yea, for them. Not everyone wants 2 years or can fit it in their schedule, and AP works best, which is a very different class. They can take away one IB class from each subject and offer AP.

They did that, and it didn't work, so they stopped.

Explain in more detail, please?

They used to offer both AP and IB science classes, but it led to very small classes in each because there wasn't enough interest to sustain both, so they kept IB, because they are required to offer IB classes as an IB school.

One reason for lack of interest, which I don't believe, is because the smarter kids either get into the magnets or lottery into other schools with more stem. In order to have interest you have to offer it to encourage students to stay at the school.

They did offer it. Enrollment has only grown over the years so kids aren't exactly fleeing the school.

Enrollment is declining and they are losing staff. Smarter kids are fleeing, for average or non-stem/artsy kids its fine and can meet their needs.

I have two STEM kids, one grad and one there now, and I strongly disagree with you. And it's offensive that you keep calling some kids "smarter" as if you have any clue.

Most of the stem kids leave due to the lack of engineering or computer science. Many kids want ap and other classes. Our youngest will go to private if we cannot cosa or lottery them. They promised lots of offerings and each year the offerings are reduced. They have some great teachers capable.

There are at least four computer science classes, as my current senior has had one each year.

There are three beyond the basic classes for all.

So, five

There are not 4 advanced computer science classes. There are three. There is one advanced engineering class and most of the students bailed as it is a flipped classroom style class with the teacher teaching two classes at once.

There's FoCS, the two AP classes, and the two Computer Programming classes. Which is comparable to most other high schools without a magnet program.

Not at the W schools. They have much more.