UVA deferral but UNC and Mich and UGA accepted

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Anonymous wrote:Oy it isn't yield protection. UVA does not yield protect.

But it does take a lot of out-of-state students (a much higher percentage than comparable state schools). And it does feel a responsibility to limit how many students from Northern Virginia so that it can take some from the Rest of Virginia.

And it, of course, limits how many it takes from a particular high school in NOVA. These are not quotas or hard limits but they are a reality and it hurts TJ more than any other school, then probably the most high performing HS in Virginia (the McLeans and Langleys) and then of course the private high schools.

All of those schools have far more applicants who would likely be accepted if they were from Roanoke than those who actually get in.

In other words, it is not yield protection, it is that your peers are very strong. It feels unfair but that is the reality in a lot of schools.

Spot on. OP, why not just accept this common sense explanation? Why do you insist on making it into a conspiracy? Is your very accomplished kid so fragile that he or she can't handle one deferral?

DP. Don’t live in Virginia, didn’t apply to UVA, but kids getting in to HYP but not UVA seems like obvious yield protection to me.

In my opinion the burden is on the people saying that UVA doesn’t yield protect to show that UVA in-state has a lower admissions rate and a higher SAT range than HYP.

If you can’t show that, all this chatter about how UVA is actually, secretly, far more selective than any other school on earth is just nonsense.

You're mentioning completely outlier situations. Very few people get into HYP and are rejected from UVA. It is possible that someone with a very specific hook gets into a particular Ivy but does not get into UVA.

Look... how do we know that UVA does not yield protect? First of all, it wouldn't make sense. There are incredibly strong students who are accepted to Ivies but choose UVA because of the money. Second, my kids go to one of the strongest NOVA high schools. I have seen the scattergrams and the top right corner is a sea of green with an occasional red X. Schools that yield protect do not look like this. Period. They don't.

Absolutely no one has said that UVA has a lower admissions rate or a higher SAT range than HYP. That would be patently false.

The kid I know who got into Yale but not UVA was OOS and had no Yale-specific hooks. Super-strong, well-rounded student.

My sense is that UVA yield protects for OOS admissions, not in-state. They know that they have a good chance of yielding in-state students because of tuition. But OOS is much more challenging with costs not much lower than those of private schools.

I see the opposite from UVA at the 2 top DMV privates my kids attended and my 3rd kid (a senior) attends. UVA has a GPA line. If you're over it, you're in. If you're under it, you're not. OOS vs in-state does not really matter. The line is very high at both schools and is Ivy-level (even HYP level).

The magical line. [b]And all you have to do is scribble some nonsense for an essay and get in.

But if you knew anything about UVA, you would then know there was no essay this year.

That makes the common essay(s) even more important.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA holds an extremely high bar at DMV privates. At the private my kid graduated from last year every kid admitted to UVA EA or RD was also admitted to an Ivy and most of these were HYP.

Multiple kids were admitted to an Ivy and deferred/waitlisted by UVA.

To me this means UVA has lost sight of their mission; they are not truly attainable for the vast majority of instate applicants anymore.

That’s nit UVA’s mission, nor is it W&M’s or VT’s. There are over 30 public colleges and universities in VA plus the guaranteed transfer program. There is no other state system like it save Texas and California.

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And each high school provides a school profile to the college which shows everything you could possibly want to know about a class, including APs offered, and percentage of class taking those APs. High GPA in class and overall distribution. This is how colleges can figure out rank. OPs kid was compared to others in OPs high school class, past and present. She’s never said how many other from the same class applied but even if zero, it knows the record of previous applicants and performance at UVA.

Some schools don't provide extensive information. Sometimes on purpose.

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Honestly, it's probably better to go to UNC or Mich at this point anyhow.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA holds an extremely high bar at DMV privates. At the private my kid graduated from last year every kid admitted to UVA EA or RD was also admitted to an Ivy and most of these were HYP.

Multiple kids were admitted to an Ivy and deferred/waitlisted by UVA.

To me this means UVA has lost sight of their mission; they are not truly attainable for the vast majority of instate applicants anymore.

UVA is on the smallish side compared to other top publics. Only so many seats.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA isn’t really known for yield protection.
We are in state.
It does not make sense.
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top 20 percent of class.
[b]Statistically, the odds of getting Michigan and UGA and UNC were much slimmer then getting UVA.

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No. Michigan is less selective at 15%- 23%. UVA just dropped to 9% in its recent EA round. I know many Virginians who went to Michigan when they didn’t get into UVA. One even drove back to Virginia when accepted to after Michigan classes had started.

+1. OP, you are operating under incorrect assumptions:

1) UVA is more selective than the other schools you listed. It was 9% for last week’s EA acceptances. UNC can’t be compared because it is a different public system which accepts very few OOS, unlike UVA.
2) UVA doesn't yield protect because it doesn’t need to.
3) you never gave GPA, but top 20% at a VA private isn’t going to cut it at UVA. You need to be one of the very top kids in the top 6%.
4) last fall, the 75th percentile had a 4.5, 4.4 at the median and 4.2 for bottom 25th percentile. As a private NOVA student, you need to be able to hit the 75th percentile, especially if unhooked (you didn’t say)
5) your son is compared to other applicants from your kid’s school. Past included. You didn’t say how many there were. If they outranked your kid, they will be admitted, not your DS, ….
6) which is why he was deferred … they want to see if better applicants from your high school come in RD. The AO assigned to your region (probably Dean J) knows your private school’s record of applicants. UVA wants to see whom else from your private is going to be in the pool.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA holds an extremely high bar at DMV privates. At the private my kid graduated from last year every kid admitted to UVA EA or RD was also admitted to an Ivy and most of these were HYP.

Multiple kids were admitted to an Ivy and deferred/waitlisted by UVA.

To me this means UVA has lost sight of their mission; they are not truly attainable for the vast majority of instate applicants anymore.

That’s nit UVA’s mission, nor is it W&M’s or VT’s. There are over 30 public colleges and universities in VA plus the guaranteed transfer program. There is no other state system like it save Texas and California.

Cite that access isn’t part of the mission at UVA, VT, WM??

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Anonymous wrote:UVA holds an extremely high bar at DMV privates. At the private my kid graduated from last year every kid admitted to UVA EA or RD was also admitted to an Ivy and most of these were HYP.

Multiple kids were admitted to an Ivy and deferred/waitlisted by UVA.

To me this means UVA has lost sight of their mission; they are not truly attainable for the vast majority of instate applicants anymore.

That’s nit UVA’s mission, nor is it W&M’s or VT’s. There are over 30 public colleges and universities in VA plus the guaranteed transfer program. There is no other state system like it save Texas and California.

Cite that access isn’t part of the mission at UVA, VT, WM??

What's the point? There are probably more than 6000 students with similar stats and only 3000 instate seats.

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for people saying, just go to UGA! isn't that going to be 200k more than UVA in state?

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Very interesting, OP.

I agree with you: it doesn’t make sense.

Fortunately, the acceptance to three excellent schools is amazing. I know current students and alums at all three, and everyone has positive reviews.

My only caution re: Michigan is the weather. It’s brutal. Forget how lovely it is in the summertime because students aren’t typically there over the summer. I know a kid who transferred out after realizing the gray, cold, snow tundra wasn’t for him.

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why does UVA take only a certain number of people from each HS. that makes no sense.

Bing and Stony Brook takes a zillion from Stuy and they're better for it

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Don't make me tap the "stop comparing the goals and methods of individual universities to the goals and methods of university systems" sign again.

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Anonymous wrote:for people saying, just go to UGA! isn't that going to be 200k more than UVA in state?

More like 120k, assuming no merit from UGA. Still enough to be upset about.

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Anonymous wrote:The crazies are really coming out lol YiElD pRoTecTiOn

I mean…I’m an alum and my very high stats OOS kid got in to UVA EA last week. So you’d think I’d be on team “UVA doesn’t yield protect.” But I 100% believe UVA yield protects on OOS students. They can call it something else—e.g. “fit”—but the outcome is the same. It is totally rational that they would consider an OOS kid’s likelihood of actually accepting their offer when making their decision. I think virtually all schools outside the top 10 or 20 are doing this! It’s not an insult to UVA.

Except there is no reason to believe that this is true. None. The out-of-state admissions rate is under 10%. The statistics are incredibly high. They take a small number and they reject the immense majority.

The same is true with Northern Virginia. Low admissions rate, very high stats.

This is not yield protection - this is not getting selected among a peer group of very strong applicants.

It is the rest of Virginia that change the stats. Higher admissions rate and relatively lower stats. This is UVA "fulfilling its mission" to educate many students of Virginia. ROVA makes UVA look overall less selective. But if you are applying from out-of-state or NOVA, especially one of the very strong schools in NOVA, it is incredibly selective.

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Don't worry, OP. Some of the kids I know who were waitlisted/deferred from UVA landed at Vanderbilt, Michigan, Emory, UCLA and Northwestern - all higher ranked than UVA. Your kid would have likely not gotten into USC, either. Acceptance rate doesn't tell the whole story.