UVA deferral but UNC and Mich and UGA accepted

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Anonymous wrote:UVA isn’t really known for yield protection.
We are in state.
It does not make sense.
1540
top 20 percent of class.
Statistically, the odds of getting Michigan and UGA and UNC were much slimmer then getting UVA.

I think this student will get in RD. They are competing against the students in their class.

UVA rarely takes deferred students.

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Anonymous wrote:Oy it isn't yield protection. UVA does not yield protect.

But it does take a lot of out-of-state students (a much higher percentage than comparable state schools). And it does feel a responsibility to limit how many students from Northern Virginia so that it can take some from the Rest of Virginia.

And it, of course, limits how many it takes from a particular high school in NOVA. These are not quotas or hard limits but they are a reality and it hurts TJ more than any other school, then probably the most high performing HS in Virginia (the McLeans and Langleys) and then of course the private high schools.

All of those schools have far more applicants who would likely be accepted if they were from Roanoke than those who actually get in.

In other words, it is not yield protection, it is that your peers are very strong. It feels unfair but that is the reality in a lot of schools.

Spot on. OP, why not just accept this common sense explanation? Why do you insist on making it into a conspiracy? Is your very accomplished kid so fragile that he or she can't handle one deferral?

DP. Don’t live in Virginia, didn’t apply to UVA, but kids getting in to HYP but not UVA seems like obvious yield protection to me.

In my opinion the burden is on the people saying that UVA doesn’t yield protect to show that UVA in-state has a lower admissions rate and a higher SAT range than HYP.

If you can’t show that, all this chatter about how UVA is actually, secretly, far more selective than any other school on earth is just nonsense.

You're mentioning completely outlier situations. Very few people get into HYP and are rejected from UVA. It is possible that someone with a very specific hook gets into a particular Ivy but does not get into UVA.

Look... how do we know that UVA does not yield protect? First of all, it wouldn't make sense. There are incredibly strong students who are accepted to Ivies but choose UVA because of the money. Second, my kids go to one of the strongest NOVA high schools. I have seen the scattergrams and the top right corner is a sea of green with an occasional red X. Schools that yield protect do not look like this. Period. They don't.

Absolutely no one has said that UVA has a lower admissions rate or a higher SAT range than HYP. That would be patently false.

The kid I know who got into Yale but not UVA was OOS and had no Yale-specific hooks. Super-strong, well-rounded student.

My sense is that UVA yield protects for OOS admissions, not in-state. They know that they have a good chance of yielding in-state students because of tuition. But OOS is much more challenging with costs not much lower than those of private schools.

I see the opposite from UVA at the 2 top DMV privates my kids attended and my 3rd kid (a senior) attends. UVA has a GPA line. If you're over it, you're in. If you're under it, you're not. OOS vs in-state does not really matter. The line is very high at both schools and is Ivy-level (even HYP level).

The magical line. And all you have to do is scribble some nonsense for an essay and get in.

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The crazies are really coming out lol YiElD pRoTecTiOn

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Anonymous wrote:Yield protection is the things of places like American and Elon. They will outright tell you that you have to show interest or they'll assume you're not serious about them.

Top schools don't need to yield protect.

The existence of ED says you’re wrong.

Not really. ED is different from EA and RD.

DP

Yeah, ED is different from EA and RD in the sense that the yield from ED is much higher. Ergo, ED is a form of yield protection.

You don't understand the definition of yield protection. ED is not yield protection.

Everything that protects yield is yield protection.

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Why is UVA still doing Test Optional?

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Anonymous wrote:The crazies are really coming out lol YiElD pRoTecTiOn

I mean…I’m an alum and my very high stats OOS kid got in to UVA EA last week. So you’d think I’d be on team “UVA doesn’t yield protect.” But I 100% believe UVA yield protects on OOS students. They can call it something else—e.g. “fit”—but the outcome is the same. It is totally rational that they would consider an OOS kid’s likelihood of actually accepting their offer when making their decision. I think virtually all schools outside the top 10 or 20 are doing this! It’s not an insult to UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:The crazies are really coming out lol YiElD pRoTecTiOn

I mean…I’m an alum and my very high stats OOS kid got in to UVA EA last week. So you’d think I’d be on team “UVA doesn’t yield protect.” But I 100% believe UVA yield protects on OOS students. They can call it something else—e.g. “fit”—but the outcome is the same. It is totally rational that they would consider an OOS kid’s likelihood of actually accepting their offer when making their decision. I think virtually all schools outside the top 10 or 20 are doing this! It’s not an insult to UVA.

I really do not see UVA yield protecting OOS at all. They have the GPA line. When year-after-year they take the top 8 applicants in the class and 1 out of 8 matriculates while the other 7 go to Ivies this is not yield protecting. This is the opposite.

Perhaps they do different things for different high schools. The green line is crystal clear at ours.

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Anonymous wrote:Yield protection is the things of places like American and Elon. They will outright tell you that you have to show interest or they'll assume you're not serious about them.

Top schools don't need to yield protect.

The existence of ED says you’re wrong.

Not really. ED is different from EA and RD.

DP

Yeah, ED is different from EA and RD in the sense that the yield from ED is much higher. Ergo, ED is a form of yield protection.

You don't understand the definition of yield protection. ED is not yield protection.

Everything that protects yield is yield protection.

List some things that “protects yield”

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Anonymous wrote:Yield protection is the things of places like American and Elon. They will outright tell you that you have to show interest or they'll assume you're not serious about them.

Top schools don't need to yield protect.

The existence of ED says you’re wrong.

Not really. ED is different from EA and RD.

DP

Yeah, ED is different from EA and RD in the sense that the yield from ED is much higher. Ergo, ED is a form of yield protection.

You don't understand the definition of yield protection. ED is not yield protection.

Everything that protects yield is yield protection.

There is the official definition and then there is your definition. You can define it any way that fits your belief if it makes you feel better.

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Anonymous wrote:The crazies are really coming out lol YiElD pRoTecTiOn

I mean…I’m an alum and my very high stats OOS kid got in to UVA EA last week. So you’d think I’d be on team “UVA doesn’t yield protect.” But I 100% believe UVA yield protects on OOS students. They can call it something else—e.g. “fit”—but the outcome is the same. It is totally rational that they would consider an OOS kid’s likelihood of actually accepting their offer when making their decision. I think virtually all schools outside the top 10 or 20 are doing this! It’s not an insult to UVA.

How would UVA realistically do this for 90k applicants? Seriously, explain in detail how you think this works.

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Anonymous wrote:Yield protection is the things of places like American and Elon. They will outright tell you that you have to show interest or they'll assume you're not serious about them.

Top schools don't need to yield protect.

The existence of ED says you’re wrong.

Not really. ED is different from EA and RD.

DP

Yeah, ED is different from EA and RD in the sense that the yield from ED is much higher. Ergo, ED is a form of yield protection.

You don't understand the definition of yield protection. ED is not yield protection.

Everything that protects yield is yield protection.

Yield protection is rejecting those who are likely to reject you. Yield management is the other stuff (e.g. great accepted student days) that makes yield higher than it otherwise would be.

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Anonymous wrote:Oy it isn't yield protection. UVA does not yield protect.

But it does take a lot of out-of-state students (a much higher percentage than comparable state schools). And it does feel a responsibility to limit how many students from Northern Virginia so that it can take some from the Rest of Virginia.

And it, of course, limits how many it takes from a particular high school in NOVA. These are not quotas or hard limits but they are a reality and it hurts TJ more than any other school, then probably the most high performing HS in Virginia (the McLeans and Langleys) and then of course the private high schools.

All of those schools have far more applicants who would likely be accepted if they were from Roanoke than those who actually get in.

In other words, it is not yield protection, it is that your peers are very strong. It feels unfair but that is the reality in a lot of schools.

Spot on. OP, why not just accept this common sense explanation? Why do you insist on making it into a conspiracy? Is your very accomplished kid so fragile that he or she can't handle one deferral?

DP. Don’t live in Virginia, didn’t apply to UVA, but kids getting in to HYP but not UVA seems like obvious yield protection to me.

In my opinion the burden is on the people saying that UVA doesn’t yield protect to show that UVA in-state has a lower admissions rate and a higher SAT range than HYP.

If you can’t show that, all this chatter about how UVA is actually, secretly, far more selective than any other school on earth is just nonsense.

You're mentioning completely outlier situations. Very few people get into HYP and are rejected from UVA. It is possible that someone with a very specific hook gets into a particular Ivy but does not get into UVA.

Look... how do we know that UVA does not yield protect? First of all, it wouldn't make sense. There are incredibly strong students who are accepted to Ivies but choose UVA because of the money. Second, my kids go to one of the strongest NOVA high schools. I have seen the scattergrams and the top right corner is a sea of green with an occasional red X. Schools that yield protect do not look like this. Period. They don't.

Absolutely no one has said that UVA has a lower admissions rate or a higher SAT range than HYP. That would be patently false.

The kid I know who got into Yale but not UVA was OOS and had no Yale-specific hooks. Super-strong, well-rounded student.

My sense is that UVA yield protects for OOS admissions, not in-state. They know that they have a good chance of yielding in-state students because of tuition. But OOS is much more challenging with costs not much lower than those of private schools.

I see the opposite from UVA at the 2 top DMV privates my kids attended and my 3rd kid (a senior) attends. UVA has a GPA line. If you're over it, you're in. If you're under it, you're not. OOS vs in-state does not really matter. The line is very high at both schools and is Ivy-level (even HYP level).

The magical line. [b]And all you have to do is scribble some nonsense for an essay and get in.

But if you knew anything about UVA, you would then know there was no essay this year.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is UVA still doing Test Optional?

The Board is considering it for fall 2027

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The crazies are really coming out lol YiElD pRoTecTiOn

I mean…I’m an alum and my very high stats OOS kid got in to UVA EA last week. So you’d think I’d be on team “UVA doesn’t yield protect.” But I 100% believe UVA yield protects on OOS students. They can call it something else—e.g. “fit”—but the outcome is the same. It is totally rational that they would consider an OOS kid’s likelihood of actually accepting their offer when making their decision. I think virtually all schools outside the top 10 or 20 are doing this! It’s not an insult to UVA.

I’m oos and recently went through two application cycles at two single sex schools in Baltimore. UVA does not yield protect at our privates. They consistently accept highest stat kids, nearly all of whom go elsewhere. Confirmed by Naviance results.

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Anonymous wrote:Oy it isn't yield protection. UVA does not yield protect.

But it does take a lot of out-of-state students (a much higher percentage than comparable state schools). And it does feel a responsibility to limit how many students from Northern Virginia so that it can take some from the Rest of Virginia.

And it, of course, limits how many it takes from a particular high school in NOVA. These are not quotas or hard limits but they are a reality and it hurts TJ more than any other school, then probably the most high performing HS in Virginia (the McLeans and Langleys) and then of course the private high schools.

All of those schools have far more applicants who would likely be accepted if they were from Roanoke than those who actually get in.

In other words, it is not yield protection, it is that your peers are very strong. It feels unfair but that is the reality in a lot of schools.

Spot on. OP, why not just accept this common sense explanation? Why do you insist on making it into a conspiracy? Is your very accomplished kid so fragile that he or she can't handle one deferral?

DP. Don’t live in Virginia, didn’t apply to UVA, but kids getting in to HYP but not UVA seems like obvious yield protection to me.

In my opinion the burden is on the people saying that UVA doesn’t yield protect to show that UVA in-state has a lower admissions rate and a higher SAT range than HYP.

If you can’t show that, all this chatter about how UVA is actually, secretly, far more selective than any other school on earth is just nonsense.

You're mentioning completely outlier situations. Very few people get into HYP and are rejected from UVA. It is possible that someone with a very specific hook gets into a particular Ivy but does not get into UVA.

Look... how do we know that UVA does not yield protect? First of all, it wouldn't make sense. There are incredibly strong students who are accepted to Ivies but choose UVA because of the money. Second, my kids go to one of the strongest NOVA high schools. I have seen the scattergrams and the top right corner is a sea of green with an occasional red X. Schools that yield protect do not look like this. Period. They don't.

Absolutely no one has said that UVA has a lower admissions rate or a higher SAT range than HYP. That would be patently false.

The kid I know who got into Yale but not UVA was OOS and had no Yale-specific hooks. Super-strong, well-rounded student.

My sense is that UVA yield protects for OOS admissions, not in-state. They know that they have a good chance of yielding in-state students because of tuition. But OOS is much more challenging with costs not much lower than those of private schools.

I see the opposite from UVA at the 2 top DMV privates my kids attended and my 3rd kid (a senior) attends. UVA has a GPA line. If you're over it, you're in. If you're under it, you're not. OOS vs in-state does not really matter. The line is very high at both schools and is Ivy-level (even HYP level).

Except weighted GPA is not consistent across systems, so this makes no sense.

The line is not the same at each school. each private school has their own line. Both college counselors referenced this. [/quote]


And each high school provides a school profile to the college which shows everything you could possibly want to know about a class, including APs offered, and percentage of class taking those APs. High GPA in class and overall distribution. This is how colleges can figure out rank. OPs kid was compared to others in OPs high school class, past and present. She’s never said how many other from the same class applied but even if zero, it knows the record of previous applicants and performance at UVA.