UVA deferral but UNC and Mich and UGA accepted

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Anonymous wrote:why does UVA take only a certain number of people from each HS. that makes no sense.

Bing and Stony Brook takes a zillion from Stuy and they're better for it

I don't think you understand. They still take more from TJ than any other school. They just don't take every qualified applicant from TJ. Even though they take who knows how many from TJ every year (100?), many very qualified TJ kids will not get in because they are competing against one another.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA holds an extremely high bar at DMV privates. At the private my kid graduated from last year every kid admitted to UVA EA or RD was also admitted to an Ivy and most of these were HYP.

Multiple kids were admitted to an Ivy and deferred/waitlisted by UVA.

To me this means UVA has lost sight of their mission; they are not truly attainable for the vast majority of instate applicants anymore.

That’s nit UVA’s mission, nor is it W&M’s or VT’s. There are over 30 public colleges and universities in VA plus the guaranteed transfer program. There is no other state system like it save Texas and California.

Cite that access isn’t part of the mission at UVA, VT, WM??

What's the point? There are probably more than 6000 students with similar stats and only 3000 instate seats.

Who said similar stats is the goal? Perhaps UVA wants students from Wise County that have lower stats, but they’re in the top 5% of a rural school.

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Anonymous wrote:why does UVA take only a certain number of people from each HS. that makes no sense.

Bing and Stony Brook takes a zillion from Stuy and they're better for it

“Better” is subjective. Why don’t you start your own college since you think you know better than the admin at UVA?

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This happened to my student last year. 4.0 UW, 11 AP/3 DE, 1510 SAT (790 Math). Accepted to Michigan, BU, UF VT (engineering) and Vanderbilt. For UVA, deferred EA and then waitlisted RD (for engineering). Is happily attending one of those schools. I think they should have applied to A&S instead of engineering at UVA and would have been accepted. But, we'll never know. And UVA wasn't their first choice so in the end I don't know that they would have attended since they got into their #2 overall in the end (rejected from an Ivy in ED).

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Anonymous wrote:UVA holds an extremely high bar at DMV privates. At the private my kid graduated from last year every kid admitted to UVA EA or RD was also admitted to an Ivy and most of these were HYP.

Multiple kids were admitted to an Ivy and deferred/waitlisted by UVA.

To me this means UVA has lost sight of their mission; they are not truly attainable for the vast majority of instate applicants anymore.

That’s nit UVA’s mission, nor is it W&M’s or VT’s. There are over 30 public colleges and universities in VA plus the guaranteed transfer program. There is no other state system like it save Texas and California.

Cite that access isn’t part of the mission at UVA, VT, WM??

What's the point? There are probably more than 6000 students with similar stats and only 3000 instate seats.

Who said similar stats is the goal? Perhaps UVA wants students from Wise County that have lower stats, but they’re in the top 5% of a rural school.

OK. Now we have 6500 qualified students for 3000 seats.

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Anonymous wrote:The crazies are really coming out lol YiElD pRoTecTiOn

I mean…I’m an alum and my very high stats OOS kid got in to UVA EA last week. So you’d think I’d be on team “UVA doesn’t yield protect.” But I 100% believe UVA yield protects on OOS students. They can call it something else—e.g. “fit”—but the outcome is the same. It is totally rational that they would consider an OOS kid’s likelihood of actually accepting their offer when making their decision. I think virtually all schools outside the top 10 or 20 are doing this! It’s not an insult to UVA.

I really do not see UVA yield protecting OOS at all. They have the GPA line. When year-after-year they take the top 8 applicants in the class and 1 out of 8 matriculates while the other 7 go to Ivies this is not yield protecting. This is the opposite.

Perhaps they do different things for different high schools. The green line is crystal clear at ours.

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Anonymous wrote:why does UVA take only a certain number of people from each HS. that makes no sense.

Bing and Stony Brook takes a zillion from Stuy and they're better for it

“Better” is subjective. Why don’t you start your own college since you think you know better than the admin at UVA?

You can't read. When someone says they're better off for it it mean than without it. Better off with all those Stuy kids. Not better than uva.

This site is full of low information individuals

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Anonymous wrote:UVA holds an extremely high bar at DMV privates. At the private my kid graduated from last year every kid admitted to UVA EA or RD was also admitted to an Ivy and most of these were HYP.

Multiple kids were admitted to an Ivy and deferred/waitlisted by UVA.

To me this means UVA has lost sight of their mission; they are not truly attainable for the vast majority of instate applicants anymore.

That’s nit UVA’s mission, nor is it W&M’s or VT’s. There are over 30 public colleges and universities in VA plus the guaranteed transfer program. There is no other state system like it save Texas and California.

Cite that access isn’t part of the mission at UVA, VT, WM??

What's the point? There are probably more than 6000 students with similar stats and only 3000 instate seats.

Who said similar stats is the goal? Perhaps UVA wants students from Wise County that have lower stats, but they’re in the top 5% of a rural school.

OK. Now we have 6500 qualified students for 3000 seats.

Congrats, you just answered your question and OP’s question. There IS a point to access across the state which could be why stats don’t tell the entire story.

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Anonymous wrote:why does UVA take only a certain number of people from each HS. that makes no sense.

Bing and Stony Brook takes a zillion from Stuy and they're better for it

“Better” is subjective. Why don’t you start your own college since you think you know better than the admin at UVA?

You can't read. When someone says they're better off for it it mean than without it. Better off with all those Stuy kids. Not better than uva.

This site is full of low information individuals

Touché. Clearly you don’t understand my point. UVA is better off without admitting all of TJ, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Oy it isn't yield protection. UVA does not yield protect.

But it does take a lot of out-of-state students (a much higher percentage than comparable state schools). And it does feel a responsibility to limit how many students from Northern Virginia so that it can take some from the Rest of Virginia.

And it, of course, limits how many it takes from a particular high school in NOVA. These are not quotas or hard limits but they are a reality and it hurts TJ more than any other school, then probably the most high performing HS in Virginia (the McLeans and Langleys) and then of course the private high schools.

All of those schools have far more applicants who would likely be accepted if they were from Roanoke than those who actually get in.

In other words, it is not yield protection, it is that your peers are very strong. It feels unfair but that is the reality in a lot of schools.

Spot on. OP, why not just accept this common sense explanation? Why do you insist on making it into a conspiracy? Is your very accomplished kid so fragile that he or she can't handle one deferral?

DP. Don’t live in Virginia, didn’t apply to UVA, but kids getting in to HYP but not UVA seems like obvious yield protection to me.

In my opinion the burden is on the people saying that UVA doesn’t yield protect to show that UVA in-state has a lower admissions rate and a higher SAT range than HYP.

If you can’t show that, all this chatter about how UVA is actually, secretly, far more selective than any other school on earth is just nonsense.

But schools are comparing kids t other applicants from their school. That is what makes UVA such a tough admit from privates and high performing publics. There are so many applications coming out of each school and that is who you are competing with.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA holds an extremely high bar at DMV privates. At the private my kid graduated from last year every kid admitted to UVA EA or RD was also admitted to an Ivy and most of these were HYP.

Multiple kids were admitted to an Ivy and deferred/waitlisted by UVA.

To me this means UVA has lost sight of their mission; they are not truly attainable for the vast majority of instate applicants anymore.

That’s nit UVA’s mission, nor is it W&M’s or VT’s. There are over 30 public colleges and universities in VA plus the guaranteed transfer program. There is no other state system like it save Texas and California.

Cite that access isn’t part of the mission at UVA, VT, WM??

What's the point? There are probably more than 6000 students with similar stats and only 3000 instate seats.

Who said similar stats is the goal? Perhaps UVA wants students from Wise County that have lower stats, but they’re in the top 5% of a rural school.

OK. Now we have 6500 qualified students for 3000 seats.

Congrats, you just answered your question and OP’s question. There IS a point to access across the state which could be why stats don’t tell the entire story.

I didn't have a question and I did not say stat told the whole story. It does tell me that 3500 students will wonder why they didn't get in.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA holds an extremely high bar at DMV privates. At the private my kid graduated from last year every kid admitted to UVA EA or RD was also admitted to an Ivy and most of these were HYP.

Multiple kids were admitted to an Ivy and deferred/waitlisted by UVA.

To me this means UVA has lost sight of their mission; they are not truly attainable for the vast majority of instate applicants anymore.

That’s nit UVA’s mission, nor is it W&M’s or VT’s. There are over 30 public colleges and universities in VA plus the guaranteed transfer program. There is no other state system like it save Texas and California.

Cite that access isn’t part of the mission at UVA, VT, WM??

What's the point? There are probably more than 6000 students with similar stats and only 3000 instate seats.

Who said similar stats is the goal? Perhaps UVA wants students from Wise County that have lower stats, but they’re in the top 5% of a rural school.

OK. Now we have 6500 qualified students for 3000 seats.

And they can apply to any of the other VA schools or go guaranteed transfer or regular transfer to UVA

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Anonymous wrote:UVA holds an extremely high bar at DMV privates. At the private my kid graduated from last year every kid admitted to UVA EA or RD was also admitted to an Ivy and most of these were HYP.

Multiple kids were admitted to an Ivy and deferred/waitlisted by UVA.

To me this means UVA has lost sight of their mission; they are not truly attainable for the vast majority of instate applicants anymore.

That’s nit UVA’s mission, nor is it W&M’s or VT’s. There are over 30 public colleges and universities in VA plus the guaranteed transfer program. There is no other state system like it save Texas and California.

Cite that access isn’t part of the mission at UVA, VT, WM??

What's the point? There are probably more than 6000 students with similar stats and only 3000 instate seats.

Who said similar stats is the goal? Perhaps UVA wants students from Wise County that have lower stats, but they’re in the top 5% of a rural school.

OK. Now we have 6500 qualified students for 3000 seats.

Congrats, you just answered your question and OP’s question. [/b]There IS a point to access across the state which could be why stats don’t tell the entire story.

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I didn't have a question and I did not say stat told the whole story. [b] It does tell me that 3500 students will wonder why they didn't get in.

Same at other top publics like UCLA, Cal, UNC and Michigan. Same at the Ivies and top
sLACs. My kid didn’t get into Harvard even though he was legacy and had the stats. Life isn’t fair.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA holds an extremely high bar at DMV privates. At the private my kid graduated from last year every kid admitted to UVA EA or RD was also admitted to an Ivy and most of these were HYP.

Multiple kids were admitted to an Ivy and deferred/waitlisted by UVA.

To me this means UVA has lost sight of their mission; they are not truly attainable for the vast majority of instate applicants anymore.

That’s nit UVA’s mission, nor is it W&M’s or VT’s. There are over 30 public colleges and universities in VA plus the guaranteed transfer program. There is no other state system like it save Texas and California.

Cite that access isn’t part of the mission at UVA, VT, WM??

What's the point? There are probably more than 6000 students with similar stats and only 3000 instate seats.

Who said similar stats is the goal? Perhaps UVA wants students from Wise County that have lower stats, but they’re in the top 5% of a rural school.

OK. Now we have 6500 qualified students for 3000 seats.

Congrats, you just answered your question and OP’s question. There IS a point to access across the state which could be why stats don’t tell the entire story.

I didn't have a question and I did not say stat told the whole story. It does tell me that 3500 students will wonder why they didn't get in.

Why would anyone wonder why they didn’t get in? Lots of qualified applicants don’t get in highly selective colleges. There doesn’t have to be a clear reason and you are owed no explanation.

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And each high school provides a school profile to the college which shows everything you could possibly want to know about a class, including APs offered, and percentage of class taking those APs. High GPA in class and overall distribution. This is how colleges can figure out rank. OPs kid was compared to others in OPs high school class, past and present. She’s never said how many other from the same class applied but even if zero, it knows the record of previous applicants and performance at UVA.

[i]Some schools don't provide extensive information. Sometimes on purpose.

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