Objectively speaking, what harm is caused by illegal immigration? (Thought experiment)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fairfax county public school attendance would shrink by 40%

My state’s public school enrollment is supposedly already down 30% this year due to families being afraid to send their kids to school.

But, I have read that there are two online school programs that are exploding with new members. Didn’t even know they existed.

My kid spent her entire senior year remote learning in 2020-21 because she’s Chinese, all the kids were telling her she was contagious and shouldn’t be trying to infect everyone else. She was adopted in 2002 and grew up with all of those kids. They were cruel to her.

Um, many of these parents returned to their home countries (voluntarily or otherwise). It has not ding to do with your ridiculous claim of “fear.”

Objectively, the current estimates consistently indicate that since trump’s inauguration a year ago:

- 1.9 million noncitizens have moved out of the U.S.;

- approximately 400,000 have been removed by the government (an increase over prior years), and

- approximately 1,500,000 have chosen to move back home on their own accord.

[Anonymous]

My daughter is kind of spoiled but her absent dad pays her credit card bills so she orders food delivery for stupid stuff like $30 for one breakfast sandwich, some hash browns and a drink. All the time. But I can't do anything about it. It's her dad's credit card and if I say anything she just tells her dad "mom won't let me have breakfast" -- it's absurd

Today (sunday) there was a delivery from a mom and what looked like her single digit age daughter (who looked afraid) apologizing because the drink spilled in the bag on the way over, they came to my front door apologizing and telling me I could report them to the app.

I told them DO NOT WORRY this is not a big deal it's fine it's OK and I had to say it like 3x that it was OK. They felt like spilling a drink was something reportable. I'm not going to do that.

I took the drink and the food. Tasted the drink to see what it was, and then I refilled the drink with water from my tap and poured in in some sugar free red-bull to the top. Same thing. Took my daughter an hour to even come find her food.

But the delivery mom & daughter seemed so inordinately upset that it happened at all and that they'd be reported.

This is NOT normal

Yes, my daughter is spoiled ... take it up with her dad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you what’s good about illegal immigration

They make good food

They clean houses, office buildings, hotel rooms, restaurants, schools

They have cleaned my house in particular for over 10 years

They pick produce

They do my landscaping

They helped clean out my house after a hurricane

They put my roof on

They groom my pets

They make excellent food and serve and deliver it

They do laundry

They do your nails and wax you

They drive Ubers and taxis

And a thousand other things

Harassing underdocumented immigrants and making them afraid to go to work is why food prices and the prices of everything are going up everywhere.

You can have all that with legal immigration. You have listed all the things YOU get out of illegal immigration and it’s so transactional it sounds vaguely and unintentionally exploitative. What happens when those people need medical care or get too old to work. Are you going to help them?

In the US system, you are basically stuffed if you don’t have medical care or some sort of pension for when you are old or unable to work. You need people to be here legally to be able to participate in those systems. And, yeah, maybe you should be paying more for your produce and manicures so those workers can have those basic levels of

I'm sorry, what American slang is "you are basically stuffed"

I've never heard that phrase in American English, ever, in my entire 60 years

Y'all are so bad sometimes at trying to sound American

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you what’s good about illegal immigration

They make good food

They clean houses, office buildings, hotel rooms, restaurants, schools

They have cleaned my house in particular for over 10 years

They pick produce

They do my landscaping

They helped clean out my house after a hurricane

They put my roof on

They groom my pets

They make excellent food and serve and deliver it

They do laundry

They do your nails and wax you

They drive Ubers and taxis

And a thousand other things

Harassing underdocumented immigrants and making them afraid to go to work is why food prices and the prices of everything are going up everywhere.

You can have all that with legal immigration. You have listed all the things YOU get out of illegal immigration and it’s so transactional it sounds vaguely and unintentionally exploitative. What happens when those people need medical care or get too old to work. Are you going to help them?

In the US system, you are basically stuffed if you don’t have medical care or some sort of pension for when you are old or unable to work. You need people to be here legally to be able to participate in those systems. And, yeah, maybe you should be paying more for your produce and manicures so those workers can have those basic levels of

I'm sorry, what American slang is "you are basically stuffed"

I've never heard that phrase in American English, ever, in my entire 60 years

Y'all are so bad sometimes at trying to sound American

Bad all the time at trying to sound American, the more they type, the worse the American gets

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you what’s good about illegal immigration

They make good food

They clean houses, office buildings, hotel rooms, restaurants, schools

They have cleaned my house in particular for over 10 years

They pick produce

They do my landscaping

They helped clean out my house after a hurricane

They put my roof on

They groom my pets

They make excellent food and serve and deliver it

They do laundry

They do your nails and wax you

They drive Ubers and taxis

And a thousand other things

Harassing underdocumented immigrants and making them afraid to go to work is why food prices and the prices of everything are going up everywhere.

Yikes, this is so ugly. I think you’re trying to be helpful but to me this looks like you just want servants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Each and every one of us who is not a Native American is an immigrant.

Ridiculous.

Yes, your answer is ridiculously wrong.

All people in the US who are not of original Native American descent are immigrants.

What countries were your ancestors from? We’ll all wait to find out

Curious moral system you have. You seem to think people from a country such as India have a right to be in India -And- they have a right to be here in the US, but people in the US don't have a right to be in India, and we have to put up with Indians who think they should be allowed to come and go as they please.

I mean even countries with ancient borders continue to have border disputes eg. East Pakistan/Bangladesh and China are just a few examples, often times being settled with armed conflict.

Nothing that can't be settled with bullets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you what’s good about illegal immigration

They make good food

They clean houses, office buildings, hotel rooms, restaurants, schools

They have cleaned my house in particular for over 10 years

They pick produce

They do my landscaping

They helped clean out my house after a hurricane

They put my roof on

They groom my pets

They make excellent food and serve and deliver it

They do laundry

They do your nails and wax you

They drive Ubers and taxis

And a thousand other things

Harassing underdocumented immigrants and making them afraid to go to work is why food prices and the prices of everything are going up everywhere.

Yikes, this is so ugly. I think you’re trying to be helpful but to me this looks like you just want servants.

+1 Cheap servants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you what’s good about illegal immigration

They make good food

They clean houses, office buildings, hotel rooms, restaurants, schools

They have cleaned my house in particular for over 10 years

They pick produce

They do my landscaping

They helped clean out my house after a hurricane

They put my roof on

They groom my pets

They make excellent food and serve and deliver it

They do laundry

They do your nails and wax you

They drive Ubers and taxis

And a thousand other things

Harassing underdocumented immigrants and making them afraid to go to work is why food prices and the prices of everything are going up everywhere.

Yikes, this is so ugly. I think you’re trying to be helpful but to me this looks like you just want servants.

Maybe you are somehow new to the 21st century but a term like "servants" is an old century term like "peasants" and "maids" "manservants" "valets" (who don't park cars) ... like I don't know what century you live in

I don't make the people who work for me live in my basement or my attic, they don't stoke my fires or clean out the ashes

Like who are you. Do you have such servants such that you can school the rest of us on how to treat the people who work for us?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Each and every one of us who is not a Native American is an immigrant.

Ridiculous.

Yes, your answer is ridiculously wrong.

All people in the US who are not of original Native American descent are immigrants.

What countries were your ancestors from? We’ll all wait to find out

Curious moral system you have. You seem to think people from a country such as India have a right to be in India -And- they have a right to be here in the US, but people in the US don't have a right to be in India, and we have to put up with Indians who think they should be allowed to come and go as they please.

I mean even countries with ancient borders continue to have border disputes eg. East Pakistan/Bangladesh and China are just a few examples, often times being settled with armed conflict.

Nothing that can't be settled with bullets.

Never once said anything about India.

Where are you posting from that all your "servants" are from India?

That's so weird. That's not a thing in the US

[Anonymous]

Before stupidity became the unifying theme of Republican politics, all parties agreed that illegal immigration, while problematic, was good for the country.

There's a reason that the Founding Fathers didn't want commoners voting.

[Anonymous]

It’s not “illegal” per se but low quality immigration in general. All these tech workers with fake resumes, uneducated fake asylum seekers, it’s just clogging the country with people from low trust cultures trying to game the system, generating trash as they don’t know how to maintain the areas, and their kids are taking the spots meant for US kids. And schools are stretched thin trying to educate kids whose parents are not educated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Before stupidity became the unifying theme of Republican politics, all parties agreed that illegal immigration, while problematic, was good for the country.

There's a reason that the Founding Fathers didn't want commoners voting.

Maybe most politicians, but certainly not everyone. I'm a Democrat and I've been disgusted with the immigration situation since the mid-90s.

We've long needed to expand legal immigration and make it take less than years and years.

And the idea that we get a nice economic boost by tolerating illegal immigration is exploitative, and the cumulative downsides were foreseeable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you what’s good about illegal immigration

They make good food

They clean houses, office buildings, hotel rooms, restaurants, schools

They have cleaned my house in particular for over 10 years

They pick produce

They do my landscaping

They helped clean out my house after a hurricane

They put my roof on

They groom my pets

They make excellent food and serve and deliver it

They do laundry

They do your nails and wax you

They drive Ubers and taxis

And a thousand other things

Harassing underdocumented immigrants and making them afraid to go to work is why food prices and the prices of everything are going up everywhere.

Yikes, this is so ugly. I think you’re trying to be helpful but to me this looks like you just want servants.

Calling this ‘wanting servants’ misses the point entirely. Immigrants aren’t props in anyone’s household; they’re the backbone of entire industries. Agriculture, construction, logistics, food service, elder care, hospitality, transportation… the list is long because our economy genuinely depends on their labor. Acknowledging that reality isn’t ugly, demeaning or "wanting servants"; pretending it doesn’t exist is what's ugly and demeaning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you what’s good about illegal immigration

They make good food

They clean houses, office buildings, hotel rooms, restaurants, schools

They have cleaned my house in particular for over 10 years

They pick produce

They do my landscaping

They helped clean out my house after a hurricane

They put my roof on

They groom my pets

They make excellent food and serve and deliver it

They do laundry

They do your nails and wax you

They drive Ubers and taxis

And a thousand other things

Harassing underdocumented immigrants and making them afraid to go to work is why food prices and the prices of everything are going up everywhere.

Yikes, this is so ugly. I think you’re trying to be helpful but to me this looks like you just want servants.

Calling this ‘wanting servants’ misses the point entirely. Immigrants aren’t props in anyone’s household; they’re the backbone of entire industries. Agriculture, construction, logistics, food service, elder care, hospitality, transportation… the list is long because our economy genuinely depends on their labor. Acknowledging that reality isn’t ugly, demeaning or "wanting servants"; pretending it doesn’t exist is what's ugly and demeaning.

All of these jobs can be done with legal immigrants. You may have to pay more. You may also need to clean your own toilet periodically and clean up your own house after a hurricane. I realize this sounds demeaning and horrendous

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you what’s good about illegal immigration

They make good food

They clean houses, office buildings, hotel rooms, restaurants, schools

They have cleaned my house in particular for over 10 years

They pick produce

They do my landscaping

They helped clean out my house after a hurricane

They put my roof on

They groom my pets

They make excellent food and serve and deliver it

They do laundry

They do your nails and wax you

They drive Ubers and taxis

And a thousand other things

Harassing underdocumented immigrants and making them afraid to go to work is why food prices and the prices of everything are going up everywhere.

Yikes, this is so ugly. I think you’re trying to be helpful but to me this looks like you just want servants.

Calling this ‘wanting servants’ misses the point entirely. Immigrants aren’t props in anyone’s household; they’re the backbone of entire industries. Agriculture, construction, logistics, food service, elder care, hospitality, transportation… the list is long because our economy genuinely depends on their labor. Acknowledging that reality isn’t ugly, demeaning or "wanting servants"; pretending it doesn’t exist is what's ugly and demeaning.

They may well be the backbone of entire industries but that doesn’t make it right. Look at the poultry industry and the following two links and tell me the employment of illegal immigrants isn’t problematic.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/two-defendants-sentenced-role-forced-labor-scheme-exploited-guatemalan-minors-ohio-egg-farms

https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/whd/whd20231204