UVA bows to Trump, signs deal with administration

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Heard this on Morning Edition; it up now on the site

https://www.npr.org/2025/10/23/nx-s1-5582767/university-of-virginia-makes-deal-with-trump-administration-to-halt-investigations

Thx

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No DEI will eventually make UVA majority Asian female, as they tend to have the best scores, GPAs and impressive ECs. I am ok with that. Will Chad and Mackinsleigh’s parents be ok with that?

Virginia is not very Asian—something like 7%. Since 2/3 of UVA is in state, I doubt the class will be majority Asian. I guess if they admit a ton of OOS Asians…

TJ HS is 60%+ Asian. If UVA was truly merit based, way more TJ kids would get in. UVA won't go majority Asian, but the number of white males would certainly decrease inversely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No DEI will eventually make UVA majority Asian female, as they tend to have the best scores, GPAs and impressive ECs. I am ok with that. Will Chad and Mackinsleigh’s parents be ok with that?

Virginia is not very Asian—something like 7%. Since 2/3 of UVA is in state, I doubt the class will be majority Asian. I guess if they admit a ton of OOS Asians…

TJ HS is 60%+ Asian. If UVA was truly merit based, way more TJ kids would get in. UVA won't go majority Asian, but the number of white males would certainly decrease inversely.

This is true. Perhaps that will now change, as it should.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn't true that there are eno new concessions. Why do people keep saying this???

They agreed to abide by the Trump administration so-called anti-discrimination guidelines in terms of iuniversity programming, admissions, hiring, and other activities.

This is a BIG deal. I understand why they agreed - not agreeing would be catastrophic. But Trump is trying to reform higher education and UVA just signed on.

What did you think they should do? They have thousands of students and employees, a hospital, clinics, labs, etc. that rely on government funding. If they refused to negotiate, wouldn't they lose their funding and possibly pay a penalty on top of that? People have posted what Columbia and Brown had to do already. That would devastate a state school.

+1. UVA has played this smart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn't true that there are eno new concessions. Why do people keep saying this???

They agreed to abide by the Trump administration so-called anti-discrimination guidelines in terms of iuniversity programming, admissions, hiring, and other activities.

This is a BIG deal. I understand why they agreed - not agreeing would be catastrophic. But Trump is trying to reform higher education and UVA just signed on.

What did you think they should do? They have thousands of students and employees, a hospital, clinics, labs, etc. that rely on government funding. If they refused to negotiate, wouldn't they lose their funding and possibly pay a penalty on top of that? People have posted what Columbia and Brown had to do already. That would devastate a state school.

UVA's endowment is bigger than Brown's.

But neither of them should have settled. Negotiations with this administration are worthless; trump will come back for more because they've already shown weakness. UVA even negotiated that into their settlement! Trump can claim they are violating the terms at any time and reopen the sham investigations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn't true that there are eno new concessions. Why do people keep saying this???

They agreed to abide by the Trump administration so-called anti-discrimination guidelines in terms of iuniversity programming, admissions, hiring, and other activities.

This is a BIG deal. I understand why they agreed - not agreeing would be catastrophic. But Trump is trying to reform higher education and UVA just signed on.

What did you think they should do? They have thousands of students and employees, a hospital, clinics, labs, etc. that rely on government funding. If they refused to negotiate, wouldn't they lose their funding and possibly pay a penalty on top of that? People have posted what Columbia and Brown had to do already. That would devastate a state school.

UVA's endowment is bigger than Brown's.

But neither of them should have settled. Negotiations with this administration are worthless; trump will come back for more because they've already shown weakness. UVA even negotiated that into their settlement! Trump can claim they are violating the terms at any time and reopen the sham investigations.

You are an alarmist. Settle down. All will be fine. UVA is as solid as it ever was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I happen to know the UVA interim Pres and VP personally. They obviously can’t discuss the current situation but I have full faith in them, both morally and intellectually.

I know one of them too. You have more faith than I do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Link to the DOJ announcement: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-agreement-university-virginia-0

Essentially, UVA agrees that they aren't breaking the law and gives quarterly updates reiterating that they still aren't breaking the law. DOJ stops investigating them. Yawn.

WASHINGTON – Today, the U.S. Department of Justice announced an agreement with the University of Virginia (“UVA”) that will protect UVA’s students, faculty, and employees from violations of federal civil rights laws, including from discrimination based on race, sex, or national origin.

As part of the agreement, the University of Virginia agrees to be bound by the Department of Justice’s “Guidance for Recipients of Federal Funding Regarding Unlawful Discrimination,” ensuring that UVA does not engage in unlawful racial discrimination in its university programming, admissions, hiring, or other activities. UVA will provide relevant information and data to the Department of Justice on a quarterly basis through 2028. The President of UVA will personally certify each quarter that UVA is in compliance with the agreement. The Department will pause its pending investigations into the university’s admissions policies and other civil rights concerns. The United States shall treat UVA as eligible for future grants and awards. If UVA completes its planned reforms prohibiting DEI at the university, the Department will close its investigations against UVA.

“This notable agreement with the University of Virginia will protect students and faculty from unlawful discrimination, ensuring that equal opportunity and fairness are restored,” said Assistant Attorney General Harmeet K. Dhillon of the Civil Rights Division. “We appreciate the progress that the university has made in combatting antisemitism and racial bias, and other American universities should be on alert that the Justice Department will ensure that our federal civil rights laws are enforced for every American, without exception.”

That guidance (Civil Rights Act of 1964, don't use race or proxies in hiring or admissions) : https://links-1.govdelivery.com/CL0/https:%2F%2Fwww.justice.gov%2Fag%2Fmedia%2F1409486%2Fdl%3Finline=%26utm_medium=email%26utm_source=govdelivery/1/010001985c36b911-61c8d569-6d56-46d7-a035-616d9d8fe7e9-000000/TsIBQqBaWzEOyES8UUgQDNShsWJG3q3R3Tew_gKTTok=416

Trump's contract also requires no sex or gender DEI. Does UVA follow that already?

UVA was still following their own DEIA guidelines for hiring of faculty and staff. Unclear if this agreement extends to UVA hiring, or only admissions.

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It’s quite clear. DOJ was investigating allegations of discrimination in both admissions and in hiring. Yesterday’s agreement states that DOJ will pause those investigations while UVA cleans up its act - which is what Ryan was supposed to do but he played games with DOJ, which wasn’t smart and pissed off UVA’s Board of Visitors as well. Note that the Board gladly received Ryan’s resignation with nary a whimper

You mean Ryan didn't agree with the Trump Admin's overreaching interpretation of Students for Fair Admissions v Harvard. Ryan by the way is an education law expert and most other experts don't agree with the Trump Admin on this either. It's entirely unsurprising that the Youngkin appointed Board backed Trump over Ryan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn't true that there are eno new concessions. Why do people keep saying this???

They agreed to abide by the Trump administration so-called anti-discrimination guidelines in terms of iuniversity programming, admissions, hiring, and other activities.

This is a BIG deal. I understand why they agreed - not agreeing would be catastrophic. But Trump is trying to reform higher education and UVA just signed on.

What did you think they should do? They have thousands of students and employees, a hospital, clinics, labs, etc. that rely on government funding. If they refused to negotiate, wouldn't they lose their funding and possibly pay a penalty on top of that? People have posted what Columbia and Brown had to do already. That would devastate a state school.

UVA's endowment is bigger than Brown's.

But neither of them should have settled. Negotiations with this administration are worthless; trump will come back for more because they've already shown weakness. UVA even negotiated that into their settlement! Trump can claim they are violating the terms at any time and reopen the sham investigations.

You are an alarmist. Settle down. All will be fine. UVA is as solid as it ever was.

It’s amazing how many people want to rationalize the failure of our institutions. Real depressing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn't true that there are eno new concessions. Why do people keep saying this???

They agreed to abide by the Trump administration so-called anti-discrimination guidelines in terms of iuniversity programming, admissions, hiring, and other activities.

This is a BIG deal. I understand why they agreed - not agreeing would be catastrophic. But Trump is trying to reform higher education and UVA just signed on.

What did you think they should do? They have thousands of students and employees, a hospital, clinics, labs, etc. that rely on government funding. If they refused to negotiate, wouldn't they lose their funding and possibly pay a penalty on top of that? People have posted what Columbia and Brown had to do already. That would devastate a state school.

UVA's endowment is bigger than Brown's.

But neither of them should have settled. Negotiations with this administration are worthless; trump will come back for more because they've already shown weakness. UVA even negotiated that into their settlement! Trump can claim they are violating the terms at any time and reopen the sham investigations.

You are an alarmist. Settle down. All will be fine. UVA is as solid as it ever was.

It’s amazing how many people want to rationalize the failure of our institutions. Real depressing.

No rationalization. No failure of institutions.
Good grief.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I happen to know the UVA interim Pres and VP personally. They obviously can’t discuss the current situation but I have full faith in them, both morally and intellectually.

I know one of them too. You have more faith than I do.

DP. I’m in Charlottesville and know Mahoney well. UVA is in great hands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn't true that there are eno new concessions. Why do people keep saying this???

They agreed to abide by the Trump administration so-called anti-discrimination guidelines in terms of iuniversity programming, admissions, hiring, and other activities.

This is a BIG deal. I understand why they agreed - not agreeing would be catastrophic. But Trump is trying to reform higher education and UVA just signed on.

What did you think they should do? They have thousands of students and employees, a hospital, clinics, labs, etc. that rely on government funding. If they refused to negotiate, wouldn't they lose their funding and possibly pay a penalty on top of that? People have posted what Columbia and Brown had to do already. That would devastate a state school.

[/b]UVA's endowment is bigger than Brown's. [i][b]

But neither of them should have settled. Negotiations with this administration are worthless; trump will come back for more because they've already shown weakness. UVA even negotiated that into their settlement! Trump can claim they are violating the terms at any time and reopen the sham investigations.

False. endowment is 5.4- 6 billion. Brown’s is over 8 billion. ALSO, UVA has many more students: 35k to Brown’s 11k

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn't true that there are eno new concessions. Why do people keep saying this???

They agreed to abide by the Trump administration so-called anti-discrimination guidelines in terms of iuniversity programming, admissions, hiring, and other activities.

This is a BIG deal. I understand why they agreed - not agreeing would be catastrophic. But Trump is trying to reform higher education and UVA just signed on.

What did you think they should do? They have thousands of students and employees, a hospital, clinics, labs, etc. that rely on government funding. If they refused to negotiate, wouldn't they lose their funding and possibly pay a penalty on top of that? People have posted what Columbia and Brown had to do already. That would devastate a state school.

[/b]UVA's endowment is bigger than Brown's. [i][b]

But neither of them should have settled. Negotiations with this administration are worthless; trump will come back for more because they've already shown weakness. UVA even negotiated that into their settlement! Trump can claim they are violating the terms at any time and reopen the sham investigations.

False. endowment is 5.4- 6 billion. Brown’s is over 8 billion. ALSO, UVA has many more students: 35k to Brown’s 11k

But UVA doesn’t need to give nearly as much need-based aid. 2/3 of students get to pay instate tuition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I happen to know the UVA interim Pres and VP personally. They obviously can’t discuss the current situation but I have full faith in them, both morally and intellectually.

I know one of them too. You have more faith than I do.

DP. I’m in Charlottesville and know Mahoney well. UVA is in great hands.

100%! My DD is there and she is living her best life. Fulfilled academically, socially, emotionally....thriving. It's a fantastic place and opportunity! So grateful to have it available to us IN STATE for Virginians! Couldn't be more happy with how things are going.

People who want to gripe, don't even go there. How about talking to people who are there to see how things are going.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn't true that there are eno new concessions. Why do people keep saying this???

They agreed to abide by the Trump administration so-called anti-discrimination guidelines in terms of iuniversity programming, admissions, hiring, and other activities.

This is a BIG deal. I understand why they agreed - not agreeing would be catastrophic. But Trump is trying to reform higher education and UVA just signed on.

What did you think they should do? They have thousands of students and employees, a hospital, clinics, labs, etc. that rely on government funding. If they refused to negotiate, wouldn't they lose their funding and possibly pay a penalty on top of that? People have posted what Columbia and Brown had to do already. That would devastate a state school.

[/b]UVA's endowment is bigger than Brown's. [i][b]

But neither of them should have settled. Negotiations with this administration are worthless; trump will come back for more because they've already shown weakness. UVA even negotiated that into their settlement! Trump can claim they are violating the terms at any time and reopen the sham investigations.

False. endowment is 5.4- 6 billion. Brown’s is over 8 billion. ALSO, UVA has many more students: 35k to Brown’s 11k

15.5 billion. So close….