Why does cigar smoking seem way more socially acceptable than cigarette smoking

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"Primary Cigar Smoking Relative to Other Tobacco Products and All-Cause Mortality
Relative to other tobacco products, the risk of mortality associated with current primary cigar smoking was generally lower than risk observed for cigarette smokers (cigarette relative risks [RR]: 1.45–2.40) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998; Rodu and Plurphanswat, 2021; Thomson et al., 2020) and higher than the risk observed for pipe smoking (RRs: 0.95–1.20) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998). Compared to never-tobacco users, the RRs (95 percent CIs) for mortality for current cigar, cigarette, and pipe smokers were 1.20 (1.03–1.38), 1.98 (1.93–2.02), and 1.09 (0.92–1.28), respectively (Christensen et al., 2018)."

“Overall, daily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.22–1.49), but not nondaily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.04–1.12) cigar smoking was associated with significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among current primary cigar smokers”

Interesting! So, looks pretty conclusive that quantity of smoking does affect the amount of harm/risk.

More contemporary studies are needed, as stated in the conclusion.

Just don't worry about it. You'll just get a little bit of cancer if you smoke a little bit of cigars.

I don’t smoke, and I’m guessing that none of the other people you’ve been arguing with here do either. Anyway, you asked for scientific proof, we gave it, and you still reject it because this entire thing is only about you not being able to accept or admit that you’re wrong.

What do you think you proved with the summary you provided? Because nothing you provided proved me wrong.

As you know, you’ve been claiming that there is no difference in harm/risk based on the quantity or frequency that a person smokes. That there is not a difference between the occasional cigar and a pack a day of cigarettes. There is a difference. The end.

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"Primary Cigar Smoking Relative to Other Tobacco Products and All-Cause Mortality
Relative to other tobacco products, the risk of mortality associated with current primary cigar smoking was generally lower than risk observed for cigarette smokers (cigarette relative risks [RR]: 1.45–2.40) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998; Rodu and Plurphanswat, 2021; Thomson et al., 2020) and higher than the risk observed for pipe smoking (RRs: 0.95–1.20) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998). Compared to never-tobacco users, the RRs (95 percent CIs) for mortality for current cigar, cigarette, and pipe smokers were 1.20 (1.03–1.38), 1.98 (1.93–2.02), and 1.09 (0.92–1.28), respectively (Christensen et al., 2018)."

“Overall, daily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.22–1.49), but not nondaily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.04–1.12) cigar smoking was associated with significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among current primary cigar smokers”

Interesting! So, looks pretty conclusive that quantity of smoking does affect the amount of harm/risk.

More contemporary studies are needed, as stated in the conclusion.

Just don't worry about it. You'll just get a little bit of cancer if you smoke a little bit of cigars.

I don’t smoke, and I’m guessing that none of the other people you’ve been arguing with here do either. Anyway, you asked for scientific proof, we gave it, and you still reject it because this entire thing is only about you not being able to accept or admit that you’re wrong.

What do you think you proved with the summary you provided? Because nothing you provided proved me wrong.

As you know, you’ve been claiming that there is no difference in harm/risk based on the quantity or frequency that a person smokes. That there is not a difference between the occasional cigar and a pack a day of cigarettes. There is a difference. The end.

Nothing you provided proved that. Nothing. The end.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK586217/

"Primary Cigar Smoking Relative to Other Tobacco Products and All-Cause Mortality
Relative to other tobacco products, the risk of mortality associated with current primary cigar smoking was generally lower than risk observed for cigarette smokers (cigarette relative risks [RR]: 1.45–2.40) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998; Rodu and Plurphanswat, 2021; Thomson et al., 2020) and higher than the risk observed for pipe smoking (RRs: 0.95–1.20) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998). Compared to never-tobacco users, the RRs (95 percent CIs) for mortality for current cigar, cigarette, and pipe smokers were 1.20 (1.03–1.38), 1.98 (1.93–2.02), and 1.09 (0.92–1.28), respectively (Christensen et al., 2018)."

“Overall, daily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.22–1.49), but not nondaily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.04–1.12) cigar smoking was associated with significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among current primary cigar smokers”

Interesting! So, looks pretty conclusive that quantity of smoking does affect the amount of harm/risk.

More contemporary studies are needed, as stated in the conclusion.

Just don't worry about it. You'll just get a little bit of cancer if you smoke a little bit of cigars.

I don’t smoke, and I’m guessing that none of the other people you’ve been arguing with here do either. Anyway, you asked for scientific proof, we gave it, and you still reject it because this entire thing is only about you not being able to accept or admit that you’re wrong.

But it's bullshit because cigar smokers don't smoke anywhere near the equivalent od two or three packs a day like cigarette smokers.

So, how often is it safe to smoke cigars?

It's a great question. I don't know, but how often is it safe to drink wine? In moderation, I think both are fine.

Then, you'd be wrong on both accounts. And I drink wine, but I am not fooling myself that it carries no risk even in moderation.

well if you want no risk then don't get out of bed in the morning. And don't drive. And avoid sugar - just trying to be helpful here

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK586217/

"Primary Cigar Smoking Relative to Other Tobacco Products and All-Cause Mortality
Relative to other tobacco products, the risk of mortality associated with current primary cigar smoking was generally lower than risk observed for cigarette smokers (cigarette relative risks [RR]: 1.45–2.40) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998; Rodu and Plurphanswat, 2021; Thomson et al., 2020) and higher than the risk observed for pipe smoking (RRs: 0.95–1.20) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998). Compared to never-tobacco users, the RRs (95 percent CIs) for mortality for current cigar, cigarette, and pipe smokers were 1.20 (1.03–1.38), 1.98 (1.93–2.02), and 1.09 (0.92–1.28), respectively (Christensen et al., 2018)."

“Overall, daily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.22–1.49), but not nondaily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.04–1.12) cigar smoking was associated with significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among current primary cigar smokers”

Interesting! So, looks pretty conclusive that quantity of smoking does affect the amount of harm/risk.

More contemporary studies are needed, as stated in the conclusion.

Just don't worry about it. You'll just get a little bit of cancer if you smoke a little bit of cigars.

I don’t smoke, and I’m guessing that none of the other people you’ve been arguing with here do either. Anyway, you asked for scientific proof, we gave it, and you still reject it because this entire thing is only about you not being able to accept or admit that you’re wrong.

But it's bullshit because cigar smokers don't smoke anywhere near the equivalent od two or three packs a day like cigarette smokers.

So, how often is it safe to smoke cigars?

It's a great question. I don't know, but how often is it safe to drink wine? In moderation, I think both are fine.

Then, you'd be wrong on both accounts. And I drink wine, but I am not fooling myself that it carries no risk even in moderation.

No risk is not the same as less risk. Where did anyone say it carried no risk?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK586217/

"Primary Cigar Smoking Relative to Other Tobacco Products and All-Cause Mortality
Relative to other tobacco products, the risk of mortality associated with current primary cigar smoking was generally lower than risk observed for cigarette smokers (cigarette relative risks [RR]: 1.45–2.40) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998; Rodu and Plurphanswat, 2021; Thomson et al., 2020) and higher than the risk observed for pipe smoking (RRs: 0.95–1.20) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998). Compared to never-tobacco users, the RRs (95 percent CIs) for mortality for current cigar, cigarette, and pipe smokers were 1.20 (1.03–1.38), 1.98 (1.93–2.02), and 1.09 (0.92–1.28), respectively (Christensen et al., 2018)."

“Overall, daily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.22–1.49), but not nondaily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.04–1.12) cigar smoking was associated with significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among current primary cigar smokers”

Interesting! So, looks pretty conclusive that quantity of smoking does affect the amount of harm/risk.

More contemporary studies are needed, as stated in the conclusion.

Just don't worry about it. You'll just get a little bit of cancer if you smoke a little bit of cigars.

I don’t smoke, and I’m guessing that none of the other people you’ve been arguing with here do either. Anyway, you asked for scientific proof, we gave it, and you still reject it because this entire thing is only about you not being able to accept or admit that you’re wrong.

What do you think you proved with the summary you provided? Because nothing you provided proved me wrong.

As you know, you’ve been claiming that there is no difference in harm/risk based on the quantity or frequency that a person smokes. That there is not a difference between the occasional cigar and a pack a day of cigarettes. There is a difference. The end.

Nothing you provided proved that. Nothing. The end.

The study linked above does.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK586217/

"Primary Cigar Smoking Relative to Other Tobacco Products and All-Cause Mortality
Relative to other tobacco products, the risk of mortality associated with current primary cigar smoking was generally lower than risk observed for cigarette smokers (cigarette relative risks [RR]: 1.45–2.40) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998; Rodu and Plurphanswat, 2021; Thomson et al., 2020) and higher than the risk observed for pipe smoking (RRs: 0.95–1.20) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998). Compared to never-tobacco users, the RRs (95 percent CIs) for mortality for current cigar, cigarette, and pipe smokers were 1.20 (1.03–1.38), 1.98 (1.93–2.02), and 1.09 (0.92–1.28), respectively (Christensen et al., 2018)."

“Overall, daily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.22–1.49), but not nondaily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.04–1.12) cigar smoking was associated with significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among current primary cigar smokers”

Interesting! So, looks pretty conclusive that quantity of smoking does affect the amount of harm/risk.

More contemporary studies are needed, as stated in the conclusion.

Just don't worry about it. You'll just get a little bit of cancer if you smoke a little bit of cigars.

I don’t smoke, and I’m guessing that none of the other people you’ve been arguing with here do either. Anyway, you asked for scientific proof, we gave it, and you still reject it because this entire thing is only about you not being able to accept or admit that you’re wrong.

What do you think you proved with the summary you provided? Because nothing you provided proved me wrong.

As you know, you’ve been claiming that there is no difference in harm/risk based on the quantity or frequency that a person smokes. That there is not a difference between the occasional cigar and a pack a day of cigarettes. There is a difference. The end.

Nothing you provided proved that. Nothing. The end.

DP you wouldn't know because you don't read anything anyone posts. Including the articles you or others post. Just take the L.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK586217/

"Primary Cigar Smoking Relative to Other Tobacco Products and All-Cause Mortality
Relative to other tobacco products, the risk of mortality associated with current primary cigar smoking was generally lower than risk observed for cigarette smokers (cigarette relative risks [RR]: 1.45–2.40) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998; Rodu and Plurphanswat, 2021; Thomson et al., 2020) and higher than the risk observed for pipe smoking (RRs: 0.95–1.20) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998). Compared to never-tobacco users, the RRs (95 percent CIs) for mortality for current cigar, cigarette, and pipe smokers were 1.20 (1.03–1.38), 1.98 (1.93–2.02), and 1.09 (0.92–1.28), respectively (Christensen et al., 2018)."

“Overall, daily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.22–1.49), but not nondaily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.04–1.12) cigar smoking was associated with significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among current primary cigar smokers”

Interesting! So, looks pretty conclusive that quantity of smoking does affect the amount of harm/risk.

More contemporary studies are needed, as stated in the conclusion.

Just don't worry about it. You'll just get a little bit of cancer if you smoke a little bit of cigars.

I don’t smoke, and I’m guessing that none of the other people you’ve been arguing with here do either. Anyway, you asked for scientific proof, we gave it, and you still reject it because this entire thing is only about you not being able to accept or admit that you’re wrong.

But it's bullshit because cigar smokers don't smoke anywhere near the equivalent od two or three packs a day like cigarette smokers.

So, how often is it safe to smoke cigars?

It's a great question. I don't know, but how often is it safe to drink wine? In moderation, I think both are fine.

Then, you'd be wrong on both accounts. And I drink wine, but I am not fooling myself that it carries no risk even in moderation.

No risk is not the same as less risk. Where did anyone say it carried no risk?

No one said that, PP has realized she’s wrong and is trying to move the goalposts.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK586217/

"Primary Cigar Smoking Relative to Other Tobacco Products and All-Cause Mortality
Relative to other tobacco products, the risk of mortality associated with current primary cigar smoking was generally lower than risk observed for cigarette smokers (cigarette relative risks [RR]: 1.45–2.40) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998; Rodu and Plurphanswat, 2021; Thomson et al., 2020) and higher than the risk observed for pipe smoking (RRs: 0.95–1.20) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998). Compared to never-tobacco users, the RRs (95 percent CIs) for mortality for current cigar, cigarette, and pipe smokers were 1.20 (1.03–1.38), 1.98 (1.93–2.02), and 1.09 (0.92–1.28), respectively (Christensen et al., 2018)."

“Overall, daily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.22–1.49), but not nondaily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.04–1.12) cigar smoking was associated with significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among current primary cigar smokers”

Interesting! So, looks pretty conclusive that quantity of smoking does affect the amount of harm/risk.

More contemporary studies are needed, as stated in the conclusion.

Just don't worry about it. You'll just get a little bit of cancer if you smoke a little bit of cigars.

I don’t smoke, and I’m guessing that none of the other people you’ve been arguing with here do either. Anyway, you asked for scientific proof, we gave it, and you still reject it because this entire thing is only about you not being able to accept or admit that you’re wrong.

But it's bullshit because cigar smokers don't smoke anywhere near the equivalent od two or three packs a day like cigarette smokers.

So, how often is it safe to smoke cigars?

It's a great question. I don't know, but how often is it safe to drink wine? In moderation, I think both are fine.

Then, you'd be wrong on both accounts. And I drink wine, but I am not fooling myself that it carries no risk even in moderation.

well if you want no risk then don't get out of bed in the morning. And don't drive. And avoid sugar - just trying to be helpful here

Oh please, not this tired argument again.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK586217/

"Primary Cigar Smoking Relative to Other Tobacco Products and All-Cause Mortality
Relative to other tobacco products, the risk of mortality associated with current primary cigar smoking was generally lower than risk observed for cigarette smokers (cigarette relative risks [RR]: 1.45–2.40) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998; Rodu and Plurphanswat, 2021; Thomson et al., 2020) and higher than the risk observed for pipe smoking (RRs: 0.95–1.20) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998). Compared to never-tobacco users, the RRs (95 percent CIs) for mortality for current cigar, cigarette, and pipe smokers were 1.20 (1.03–1.38), 1.98 (1.93–2.02), and 1.09 (0.92–1.28), respectively (Christensen et al., 2018)."

“Overall, daily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.22–1.49), but not nondaily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.04–1.12) cigar smoking was associated with significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among current primary cigar smokers”

Interesting! So, looks pretty conclusive that quantity of smoking does affect the amount of harm/risk.

More contemporary studies are needed, as stated in the conclusion.

Just don't worry about it. You'll just get a little bit of cancer if you smoke a little bit of cigars.

I don’t smoke, and I’m guessing that none of the other people you’ve been arguing with here do either. Anyway, you asked for scientific proof, we gave it, and you still reject it because this entire thing is only about you not being able to accept or admit that you’re wrong.

But it's bullshit because cigar smokers don't smoke anywhere near the equivalent od two or three packs a day like cigarette smokers.

So, how often is it safe to smoke cigars?

It's a great question. I don't know, but how often is it safe to drink wine? In moderation, I think both are fine.

Then, you'd be wrong on both accounts. And I drink wine, but I am not fooling myself that it carries no risk even in moderation.

No risk is not the same as less risk. Where did anyone say it carried no risk?

No one said that, PP has realized she’s wrong and is trying to move the goalposts.

Neither did I. Nor did I try to move the goalposts. You're just so desperate and can't even read.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK586217/

"Primary Cigar Smoking Relative to Other Tobacco Products and All-Cause Mortality
Relative to other tobacco products, the risk of mortality associated with current primary cigar smoking was generally lower than risk observed for cigarette smokers (cigarette relative risks [RR]: 1.45–2.40) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998; Rodu and Plurphanswat, 2021; Thomson et al., 2020) and higher than the risk observed for pipe smoking (RRs: 0.95–1.20) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998). Compared to never-tobacco users, the RRs (95 percent CIs) for mortality for current cigar, cigarette, and pipe smokers were 1.20 (1.03–1.38), 1.98 (1.93–2.02), and 1.09 (0.92–1.28), respectively (Christensen et al., 2018)."

“Overall, daily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.22–1.49), but not nondaily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.04–1.12) cigar smoking was associated with significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among current primary cigar smokers”

Interesting! So, looks pretty conclusive that quantity of smoking does affect the amount of harm/risk.

More contemporary studies are needed, as stated in the conclusion.

Just don't worry about it. You'll just get a little bit of cancer if you smoke a little bit of cigars.

I don’t smoke, and I’m guessing that none of the other people you’ve been arguing with here do either. Anyway, you asked for scientific proof, we gave it, and you still reject it because this entire thing is only about you not being able to accept or admit that you’re wrong.

But it's bullshit because cigar smokers don't smoke anywhere near the equivalent od two or three packs a day like cigarette smokers.

So, how often is it safe to smoke cigars?

It's a great question. I don't know, but how often is it safe to drink wine? In moderation, I think both are fine.

Then, you'd be wrong on both accounts. And I drink wine, but I am not fooling myself that it carries no risk even in moderation.

No risk is not the same as less risk. Where did anyone say it carried no risk?

No one said that, PP has realized she’s wrong and is trying to move the goalposts.

Neither did I. Nor did I try to move the goalposts. You're just so desperate and can't even read.

Litteraly?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK586217/

"Primary Cigar Smoking Relative to Other Tobacco Products and All-Cause Mortality
Relative to other tobacco products, the risk of mortality associated with current primary cigar smoking was generally lower than risk observed for cigarette smokers (cigarette relative risks [RR]: 1.45–2.40) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998; Rodu and Plurphanswat, 2021; Thomson et al., 2020) and higher than the risk observed for pipe smoking (RRs: 0.95–1.20) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998). Compared to never-tobacco users, the RRs (95 percent CIs) for mortality for current cigar, cigarette, and pipe smokers were 1.20 (1.03–1.38), 1.98 (1.93–2.02), and 1.09 (0.92–1.28), respectively (Christensen et al., 2018)."

“Overall, daily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.22–1.49), but not nondaily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.04–1.12) cigar smoking was associated with significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among current primary cigar smokers”

Interesting! So, looks pretty conclusive that quantity of smoking does affect the amount of harm/risk.

More contemporary studies are needed, as stated in the conclusion.

Just don't worry about it. You'll just get a little bit of cancer if you smoke a little bit of cigars.

I don’t smoke, and I’m guessing that none of the other people you’ve been arguing with here do either. Anyway, you asked for scientific proof, we gave it, and you still reject it because this entire thing is only about you not being able to accept or admit that you’re wrong.

But it's bullshit because cigar smokers don't smoke anywhere near the equivalent od two or three packs a day like cigarette smokers.

So, how often is it safe to smoke cigars?

It's a great question. I don't know, but how often is it safe to drink wine? In moderation, I think both are fine.

Then, you'd be wrong on both accounts. And I drink wine, but I am not fooling myself that it carries no risk even in moderation.

well if you want no risk then don't get out of bed in the morning. And don't drive. And avoid sugar - just trying to be helpful here

Oh please, not this tired argument again.

? someone above said "I am not fooling myself that it carries no risk even in moderation." Was that you? I can't think of anything that carries no risk. That's a pretty high bar

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Get real folks. Cigar smoking is more an occasional treat, it's not addictive like cigarette smoking. I never worked with anybody who had to go down to the sidewalk outside the building to smoke their cigar a few times a day.

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"Primary Cigar Smoking Relative to Other Tobacco Products and All-Cause Mortality
Relative to other tobacco products, the risk of mortality associated with current primary cigar smoking was generally lower than risk observed for cigarette smokers (cigarette relative risks [RR]: 1.45–2.40) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998; Rodu and Plurphanswat, 2021; Thomson et al., 2020) and higher than the risk observed for pipe smoking (RRs: 0.95–1.20) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998). Compared to never-tobacco users, the RRs (95 percent CIs) for mortality for current cigar, cigarette, and pipe smokers were 1.20 (1.03–1.38), 1.98 (1.93–2.02), and 1.09 (0.92–1.28), respectively (Christensen et al., 2018)."

“Overall, daily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.22–1.49), but not nondaily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.04–1.12) cigar smoking was associated with significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among current primary cigar smokers”

Interesting! So, looks pretty conclusive that quantity of smoking does affect the amount of harm/risk.

More contemporary studies are needed, as stated in the conclusion.

Just don't worry about it. You'll just get a little bit of cancer if you smoke a little bit of cigars.

I don’t smoke, and I’m guessing that none of the other people you’ve been arguing with here do either. Anyway, you asked for scientific proof, we gave it, and you still reject it because this entire thing is only about you not being able to accept or admit that you’re wrong.

But it's bullshit because cigar smokers don't smoke anywhere near the equivalent od two or three packs a day like cigarette smokers.

So, how often is it safe to smoke cigars?

It's a great question. I don't know, but how often is it safe to drink wine? In moderation, I think both are fine.

Then, you'd be wrong on both accounts. And I drink wine, but I am not fooling myself that it carries no risk even in moderation.

well if you want no risk then don't get out of bed in the morning. And don't drive. And avoid sugar - just trying to be helpful here

Oh please, not this tired argument again.

? someone above said "I am not fooling myself that it carries no risk even in moderation." Was that you? I can't think of anything that carries no risk. That's a pretty high bar

Well there is at least one person on here arguing that cigar smoking every two weeks is totally fine and carries very little to no risk.

Also, there is a difference between waking up in the morning and simply doing things you have to do to survive and wilfully engaging in activities and substances that are known to cause cancer.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK586217/

"Primary Cigar Smoking Relative to Other Tobacco Products and All-Cause Mortality
Relative to other tobacco products, the risk of mortality associated with current primary cigar smoking was generally lower than risk observed for cigarette smokers (cigarette relative risks [RR]: 1.45–2.40) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998; Rodu and Plurphanswat, 2021; Thomson et al., 2020) and higher than the risk observed for pipe smoking (RRs: 0.95–1.20) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998). Compared to never-tobacco users, the RRs (95 percent CIs) for mortality for current cigar, cigarette, and pipe smokers were 1.20 (1.03–1.38), 1.98 (1.93–2.02), and 1.09 (0.92–1.28), respectively (Christensen et al., 2018)."

“Overall, daily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.22–1.49), but not nondaily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.04–1.12) cigar smoking was associated with significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among current primary cigar smokers”

Interesting! So, looks pretty conclusive that quantity of smoking does affect the amount of harm/risk.

More contemporary studies are needed, as stated in the conclusion.

Just don't worry about it. You'll just get a little bit of cancer if you smoke a little bit of cigars.

I don’t smoke, and I’m guessing that none of the other people you’ve been arguing with here do either. Anyway, you asked for scientific proof, we gave it, and you still reject it because this entire thing is only about you not being able to accept or admit that you’re wrong.

But it's bullshit because cigar smokers don't smoke anywhere near the equivalent od two or three packs a day like cigarette smokers.

So, how often is it safe to smoke cigars?

It's a great question. I don't know, but how often is it safe to drink wine? In moderation, I think both are fine.

Then, you'd be wrong on both accounts. And I drink wine, but I am not fooling myself that it carries no risk even in moderation.

No risk is not the same as less risk. Where did anyone say it carried no risk?

No one said that, PP has realized she’s wrong and is trying to move the goalposts.

Neither did I. Nor did I try to move the goalposts. You're just so desperate and can't even read.

Litteraly?

Apparently, you don't know what "literally" means either.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK586217/

"Primary Cigar Smoking Relative to Other Tobacco Products and All-Cause Mortality
Relative to other tobacco products, the risk of mortality associated with current primary cigar smoking was generally lower than risk observed for cigarette smokers (cigarette relative risks [RR]: 1.45–2.40) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998; Rodu and Plurphanswat, 2021; Thomson et al., 2020) and higher than the risk observed for pipe smoking (RRs: 0.95–1.20) (Chang et al., 2015; Christensen et al., 2018; Corrigendum, 2019; Inoue-Choi et al., 2019; NCI, 1998). Compared to never-tobacco users, the RRs (95 percent CIs) for mortality for current cigar, cigarette, and pipe smokers were 1.20 (1.03–1.38), 1.98 (1.93–2.02), and 1.09 (0.92–1.28), respectively (Christensen et al., 2018)."

“Overall, daily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.22–1.49), but not nondaily (RRs, 95 percent CI: 1.04–1.12) cigar smoking was associated with significantly increased risk of all-cause mortality among current primary cigar smokers”

Interesting! So, looks pretty conclusive that quantity of smoking does affect the amount of harm/risk.

More contemporary studies are needed, as stated in the conclusion.

Just don't worry about it. You'll just get a little bit of cancer if you smoke a little bit of cigars.

I don’t smoke, and I’m guessing that none of the other people you’ve been arguing with here do either. Anyway, you asked for scientific proof, we gave it, and you still reject it because this entire thing is only about you not being able to accept or admit that you’re wrong.

But it's bullshit because cigar smokers don't smoke anywhere near the equivalent od two or three packs a day like cigarette smokers.

So, how often is it safe to smoke cigars?

It's a great question. I don't know, but how often is it safe to drink wine? In moderation, I think both are fine.

Then, you'd be wrong on both accounts. And I drink wine, but I am not fooling myself that it carries no risk even in moderation.

well if you want no risk then don't get out of bed in the morning. And don't drive. And avoid sugar - just trying to be helpful here

Oh please, not this tired argument again.

? someone above said "I am not fooling myself that it carries no risk even in moderation." Was that you? I can't think of anything that carries no risk. That's a pretty high bar

Well there is at least one person on here arguing that cigar smoking every two weeks is totally fine and carries very little to no risk.

Also, there is a difference between waking up in the morning and simply doing things you have to do to survive and wilfully engaging in activities and substances that are known to cause cancer.

I agree with this. What's the problem?