Why does cigar smoking seem way more socially acceptable than cigarette smoking
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Anonymous
Those studies compare smoking cigarettes to smoking cigars directly. The PP was specifically asking about pack-a-day cigarette smoking vs. one cigar every two weeks or so. That's gotta be different, just like drinking 3 glasses of wine a day and a glass of whisky once a week is different. |
Anonymous
No one is saying that. What we're all saying is smoking one cigar every two weeks is less bad for you than smoking one pack of cigarettes every day. Yes, both types of smoking are bad for you, even at those different rates, though one is worse than the other in that particular scenario. As an aside, I'd be willing to bet smoking a cigar is worse for you than smoking a cigarette for the same number of minutes each day (or some other comparative metric), though obviously that's not the same scenario most of us are discussing. In any case, smoking is gross, though cigarettes generally are seen more as low-class than cigars. |
Anonymous
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There is an epidemic of HPV-associated oral cancer, and being a non-smoker significantly improves your chances of surviving it.
https://bmccancer.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12885-020-07427-7#:~:text=The%20incidence%20of%20oropharyngeal%20squamous,survival%20for%20HPV+%20OPSCC%20patients. |
Anonymous
But no one can scientifically claim that. Can you point me to a study of health outcomes of people who have smoked cigars every week/two weeks compared to those who have smoked regularly for the same length of time and tell me that they are different? What is the rate of cancer for each? |
Anonymous
| People generally don't leave their desk to go puff on a cigar by the loading dock multiple times a day. |
Anonymous
No, it doesn't make you wonder. It is a well known fact that obesity, like smoking, increases those risks and I never claimed otherwise. But being fat in itself does not kill you as PP ignorantly claimed. |
Anonymous
And smoking itself is also not guaranteed to kill you. It increases the odds but is not inevitable. By the way, just ask yourself how many fat or obese elderly people do you see? Not many. Your tone throughout this thread has been that somehow a cigarette or cigar is forever ruining your health and condemning you to inevitable early death. Which is just as ignorant as anyone deluding themselves into thinking a regular tobacco habit isn't harmful in the long run. Smoking related illnesses emerge out of sustained, regular tobacco usage over multiple decades, and the volume of usage also plays a clear role. Someone enjoying the occasional celebratory cigar once or twice a year is in a very different place than someone with a two pack a day cigarette habit, or one cigar a day habit. |
Anonymous
| Cigar smoking is horrible for the environment. |
Anonymous
Really? How so? And are cigarettes horrible for the environment too? |
Anonymous
Have you seen Trump? I'm also very tired of explaining myself. You misrepresented what I said so terribly. The science is clear. I don't care if you want to kill yourself. PS I'm not obese nor do I smoke because I understand that both are bad for you and never said otherwise. |
Anonymous
DP did anyone in this entire thread claim that cigarettes are not horrible? |
Anonymous
| That’s like asking why having a few drinks on the weekend is more socially acceptable than being an alcoholic. |
Anonymous
I wondered why the PP singled out cigars as being horrible for the environment. |
Anonymous
I agree, both are extremely gross. I HATE how bad cigars smell too. But I agree…. It’s the frequency of the two. |
Anonymous
I think the PP has an issue with either Winston Churchill or Rush Limbaugh, maybe even Groucho Marx. |