Why does cigar smoking seem way more socially acceptable than cigarette smoking

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

Realize that there is more than 1 poster here. And you're still not making sense. Of course never smoking is best but the PP's point still hasn't been refuted by you. We're comparing chronic smokers to occasional cigar smokers. You want to just argue that all smoking is bad.

Because it is. You can try to spin it a 100 ways to Sunday, but the evidence is clear. It's ok, I know drinking is bad for me, but I still like it and do it. Smoke your nasty cigars, but just know you're not any safer than a person sucking on cigarettes. And don't even get me started on the secondhand smoke you're creating.

Ok. You said safe, nobody else did and you're arguing with yourself at this point. Your own article that you don't bother to read again states "The health effects of consistent low-intensity smoking, however, have not been well studied and many smokers believe that low-intensity smoking does not affect their health." low intensity is 10 or fewer a day. Still nothing approaching an occasional cigar.

This whole back and forth started when you posted this: "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

Please post a study that proves your assertion. I'll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

ahhhhhhh so your "common sense" guy. Your arguments make so much sense now. I'll trust the science, but thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

DP. And they've studied the effect of the dose for cigars specifically: https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-015-1617-5

"Strong dose trends by cigars per day and inhalation level for primary cigar smoking were observed for oral, esophageal, laryngeal, and lung cancers."

The effects for the lowest group they looked at (1-3 cigars a day) was for some effects not even statistically significant. The effect of 1-2 a month would logically be even lower.

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I smoke cigars, but I do not inhale the smoke into my lungs.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

ahhhhhhh so your "common sense" guy. Your arguments make so much sense now. I'll trust the science, but thanks.

Not sure who “common sense guy” is, but your response definitely tracks with what I already assumed about your level of intelligence.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

ahhhhhhh so your "common sense" guy. Your arguments make so much sense now. I'll trust the science, but thanks.

Not sure who “common sense guy” is, but your response definitely tracks with what I already assumed about your level of intelligence.

I posted studies from the Mayo Clinic and the National Cancer Institute. You came back with "common sense." We are not the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

Realize that there is more than 1 poster here. And you're still not making sense. Of course never smoking is best but the PP's point still hasn't been refuted by you. We're comparing chronic smokers to occasional cigar smokers. You want to just argue that all smoking is bad.

Because it is. You can try to spin it a 100 ways to Sunday, but the evidence is clear. It's ok, I know drinking is bad for me, but I still like it and do it. Smoke your nasty cigars, but just know you're not any safer than a person sucking on cigarettes. And don't even get me started on the secondhand smoke you're creating.

Ok. You said safe, nobody else did and you're arguing with yourself at this point. Your own article that you don't bother to read again states "The health effects of consistent low-intensity smoking, however, have not been well studied and many smokers believe that low-intensity smoking does not affect their health." low intensity is 10 or fewer a day. Still nothing approaching an occasional cigar.

This whole back and forth started when you posted this: "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

Please post a study that proves your assertion. I'll wait.

Wasn't me. But you just want to argue that any and all smoking is bad no matter the frequency. Yet nothing you have posted says what you think it says.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

ahhhhhhh so your "common sense" guy. Your arguments make so much sense now. I'll trust the science, but thanks.

Not sure who “common sense guy” is, but your response definitely tracks with what I already assumed about your level of intelligence.

I posted studies from the Mayo Clinic and the National Cancer Institute. You came back with "common sense." We are not the same.

Well, you didn't even read them so you're not even arguing in good faith. Were they too hard for you to comprehend?

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

ahhhhhhh so your "common sense" guy. Your arguments make so much sense now. I'll trust the science, but thanks.

Not sure who “common sense guy” is, but your response definitely tracks with what I already assumed about your level of intelligence.

I posted studies from the Mayo Clinic and the National Cancer Institute. You came back with "common sense." We are not the same.

Yes, I know the difference between “you’re” and “your”, for starters.

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"Among men." You answered part of it yourself. Expensive cigars are a flex in certain circles.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

ahhhhhhh so your "common sense" guy. Your arguments make so much sense now. I'll trust the science, but thanks.

Not sure who “common sense guy” is, but your response definitely tracks with what I already assumed about your level of intelligence.

I posted studies from the Mayo Clinic and the National Cancer Institute. You came back with "common sense." We are not the same.

Yes, I know the difference between “you’re” and “your”, for starters.

Awww you sure got me there. Figures that's what you'd latch on.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

ahhhhhhh so your "common sense" guy. Your arguments make so much sense now. I'll trust the science, but thanks.

Not sure who “common sense guy” is, but your response definitely tracks with what I already assumed about your level of intelligence.

I posted studies from the Mayo Clinic and the National Cancer Institute. You came back with "common sense." We are not the same.

Well, you didn't even read them so you're not even arguing in good faith. Were they too hard for you to comprehend?

Considering you couldn't even find one to support your claims and came back with "common sense," I'd just drop it if I were you. You're too arrogant to know how dumb you are. Must be all the cigar smoking that you think is ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

NP. In your link, the *lowest* level of smoking they studied was daily cigarette smoking. I’m sure even you understand that the occasional cigar, let’s say once a month or less often, is not going to cause the same damage as daily smoking of either cigarettes or cigars.

OK please post a study that confirms what you said.

It’s common sense. In the same way that drinking a cocktail once a month is not going to have the same effects as chugging vodka all day every day.

You know this, but you refuse to admit it because you’re trying to win an argument on the internet.

ahhhhhhh so your "common sense" guy. Your arguments make so much sense now. I'll trust the science, but thanks.

Not sure who “common sense guy” is, but your response definitely tracks with what I already assumed about your level of intelligence.

I posted studies from the Mayo Clinic and the National Cancer Institute. You came back with "common sense." We are not the same.

Well, you didn't even read them so you're not even arguing in good faith. Were they too hard for you to comprehend?

Considering you couldn't even find one to support your claims and came back with "common sense," I'd just drop it if I were you. You're too arrogant to know how dumb you are. Must be all the cigar smoking that you think is ok.

There are multiple people in here pointing the same issue out to you over and over again. Get a clue.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not very frequent. Cigarette smokers smoke a pack a day, all throughout the day.

Cigar smokers may have 1 cigar every 2 weeks.

Health wise, it's about the same, though. Cigar smokers are just kidding themselves.

Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit.

Here you go. Not safer at all.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/nicotine-dependence/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/other-tobacco-products/cigars.html#:~:text=Fact,1

This is a 1:1 comparison. It says the more cigars the higher the risk. We're talking about an occasional cigar, not smoking a pack a days worth of cigars.

No, it's not, because that would be impossible to do. No one smokes 10-20 cigars per day. It is to inform people like you who fool themselves into thinking that just because you don't smoke a cigar every day, it's safer than cigarettes. There is also virtually no difference between those who smoke 3 cigarettes per day vs. those who smoke 15.

Then why don't you find a study that says what you want it to say instead of the one you posted? Nobody but you said it was "safer" so not even sure what point you're making.

Really? Could have fooled me with this statement, "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

You article does not say an occasional cigar = a pack a day.

I don't think you know how to read. It clearly says that cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking. Quantities do not matter. I'm not sure why you're confused, honestly.

Nobody said one was safer. And it discusses usage, if you bothered to read. Heavy or regular usage. What is heavy or regular cigar smoking? Why don't you tell us?

Again, you did! You can try to backtrack now, but you clearly seemed to think that smoking cigarettes regularly is less safe than smoking an occasional cigar. It's just not true.

https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/low-intensity-smoking-risk

Realize that there is more than 1 poster here. And you're still not making sense. Of course never smoking is best but the PP's point still hasn't been refuted by you. We're comparing chronic smokers to occasional cigar smokers. You want to just argue that all smoking is bad.

Because it is. You can try to spin it a 100 ways to Sunday, but the evidence is clear. It's ok, I know drinking is bad for me, but I still like it and do it. Smoke your nasty cigars, but just know you're not any safer than a person sucking on cigarettes. And don't even get me started on the secondhand smoke you're creating.

Ok. You said safe, nobody else did and you're arguing with yourself at this point. Your own article that you don't bother to read again states "The health effects of consistent low-intensity smoking, however, have not been well studied and many smokers believe that low-intensity smoking does not affect their health." low intensity is 10 or fewer a day. Still nothing approaching an occasional cigar.

This whole back and forth started when you posted this: "Is it though? I would seem that an occasional cigar is not the same as a pack a day habit."

Please post a study that proves your assertion. I'll wait.

Wasn't me. But you just want to argue that any and all smoking is bad no matter the frequency. Yet nothing you have posted says what you think it says.

The title is litteraly "No Safe Level of Smoking: Even low-intensity smokers are at increased risk of earlier death"

But sure, continue to fool yourself that there are no health outcomes for your cigar habit. I actually don't care. I just hate when morons dig in their heels.

I would never be around a cigar or a cigarette smoker. That alone connotes low IQ to me.