California moving forward to redistricting

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any other developed country that allows politicians to choose their voters?

I'm not a constitutional scholar, but the fact that this is allowed is a breathtaking oversight by the Founders. Or maybe we have a horrible Supreme Court.

But this is Banana Republic stuff. The future is looking very grim for the American experiment.

This is what has been fascinating to me in this time period. The cracks are forming in our form of government and I kind of understand why parliamentary systems have lasted so long.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any other developed country that allows politicians to choose their voters?

The districts within some states used to operate like the federal government, with state senate districts possibly having unequal population but fixed geography. Then the Supreme Court ruled one man one vote.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any other developed country that allows politicians to choose their voters?

I'm not a constitutional scholar, but the fact that this is allowed is a breathtaking oversight by the Founders. Or maybe we have a horrible Supreme Court.

But this is Banana Republic stuff. The future is looking very grim for the American experiment.

We have a horrible Supreme Court. They could have prevented this.

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All states that Trump won the electoral should automatically change all their seats to Republican

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Anonymous wrote:All states that Trump won the electoral should automatically change all their seats to Republican

No objection to this.

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Anonymous wrote:Five more Democrat seats. I hope other Blue states will follow suit

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/california-moving-forward-partisan-redistricting-184702122.html

This. Governor Newsom is a true leader.

Lue states have already gerrymandered almost as much as they can.


How can Mass have 40% republican voters and have zero republican reps?


Also it is known that Illinois is heavily
Gerrymandered as well… so republicans are just catching up to what the dems have already done.


Repair just came out that the max democrats can add is 8 seats through California and other states as they are already heavily tilted to democrats. Republicans can gerrymander up to 20 new seats including adding up to 5 in Florida alone.

So starting this race will leave the democrats down by 12 seats total. So be careful what you with for democrats. You may be -12 seats when this is all finished.

How many seats will NY, WA, OR, NM, NJ give the Democrats with a mid-year redistricting.

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Anonymous wrote:All states that Trump won the electoral should automatically change all their seats to Republican

How do you think you get around Democrat governors in PA, MI, NC AZ, and WI

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Anonymous wrote:All states that Trump won the electoral should automatically change all their seats to Republican

Moat of them already have. Don't you get it? Our system is rigged to favor the party that captures rural voters. And when the government adopted the cap on House seats, it exacerbated the problem both with the House and the Electoral College. If we had each House seat represent ~700,000 people (the Wyoming Rule) and there wasn't a cap on the number of House seats, California would have 57 House seats instead of the 52 it currently has. New York would have 29 instead of 26. The Electoral College would adjust similarly to not underweigh urban areas and heavily populated states.

We need to look at serious reform in this country if there is a chance of having actual and fair representation. It includes getting rid of voter suppression, gerrymandering and the structural imbalances in our elective government.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Five more Democrat seats. I hope other Blue states will follow suit

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/california-moving-forward-partisan-redistricting-184702122.html

This. Governor Newsom is a true leader.

Lue states have already gerrymandered almost as much as they can.


How can Mass have 40% republican voters and have zero republican reps?


Also it is known that Illinois is heavily
Gerrymandered as well… so republicans are just catching up to what the dems have already done.


Repair just came out that the max democrats can add is 8 seats through California and other states as they are already heavily tilted to democrats. Republicans can gerrymander up to 20 new seats including adding up to 5 in Florida alone.

So starting this race will leave the democrats down by 12 seats total. So be careful what you with for democrats. You may be -12 seats when this is all finished.

How many seats will NY, WA, OR, NM, NJ give the Democrats with a mid-year redistricting.

WA and OR have actual state commissions that draw non-partisan lines. If every state this this, we wouldn't have such issues right now, but the GOP has opposed it at the state and federal level for years, so here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:All states that Trump won the electoral should automatically change all their seats to Republican

How do you think you get around Democrat governors in PA, MI, NC AZ, and WI

That's blah blah stuff. The fact that this is possible is a systemic problem.

And it reminds me why I hate lawyers. They are wrecking all that was good and decent about America. We used to strive to be a nation of the people, by the people, for the people.

And with the Roberts Court, the only thing that matters is power. The Roberts Court has been disastrous for America. The gerrymandering is the capstone to how awful this Court has been for the American ideal, which used to be a thing.

It's tragic. We need to get rid of lawyers in politics. The snivelly, cynical, look for the loopholes politicians are destroying America. Every other profession is much more focused on the intent of the Constitution - which is very much focused on the power of the people to choose who governs them. But now lawyers in Texas and California think they are the only people that matter. And the lawyers on the Supreme Court agree. And here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:All states that Trump won the electoral should automatically change all their seats to Republican

How do you think you get around Democrat governors in PA, MI, NC AZ, and WI

And KS, and KY

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All states that Trump won the electoral should automatically change all their seats to Republican

How do you think you get around Democrat governors in PA, MI, NC AZ, and WI

That's blah blah stuff. The fact that this is possible is a systemic problem.

And it reminds me why I hate lawyers. They are wrecking all that was good and decent about America. We used to strive to be a nation of the people, by the people, for the people.

And with the Roberts Court, the only thing that matters is power. The Roberts Court has been disastrous for America. The gerrymandering is the capstone to how awful this Court has been for the American ideal, which used to be a thing.

It's tragic. We need to get rid of lawyers in politics. The snivelly, cynical, look for the loopholes politicians are destroying America. Every other profession is much more focused on the intent of the Constitution - which is very much focused on the power of the people to choose who governs them. But now lawyers in Texas and California think they are the only people that matter. And the lawyers on the Supreme Court agree. And here we are.

I think lawyers have their place, but our system of government is being brought to its knees by bad actors and people who believe in winning at all costs and amassing wealth over the collective good.

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Anonymous wrote:There are enough gerrymandable seats across the country in Dem areas to stand up to anything the GOP does, assuming all of the states are engaged in this.

IOW, the GOP is more gerryamndered with less juice to squeeze than the Dems.

No the republicans could pick up at the max 11 seats. Though those seats would be +5 to +8 trump from last cycle. It is looking like a +15 swing to Dems. Dems could pickup 12-15 seats with gerrymandering. The republicans have been gerrymandering to max for 20 years now. They do not have much left to do. North Carolina gerrymandering gave republicans the house.

It’s like the Republicans did not think this out or are in full panic mode. The only way to stop this is to cancel all elections. This is coming soon.

The Rs will have more if SCOTUS gets rid of what’s left of the VRA. There are a bunch of minority-majority districts in southern states that they could wipe out.

IF? Why else would they take that case. Full panic mode, indeed.

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I keep hearing conflicting estimates of which party will ultimately benefit more from a full-on gerrymander war. Is there actually a political consensus on which and how many states would gain or lose voters of each party?