California moving forward to redistricting

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Wow. So let me get this straight: you're comparing undocumented workers who mop hospital floors, care for our elders, build our homes, and harvest our food to carjackers?

That’s not just a bad analogy, it’s an astounding moral failure on your part, that you're trying to masquerade as policy concern. Carjackers steal property through violence. Migrant workers, documented or not, give labor through sweat and sacrifice, often under exploitative conditions that benefit the very businesses you claim to care about.

If you think the economy runs on patriotic slogans rather than actual labor, try running a nursing home without aides, or a harvest without pickers. Spoiler: it doesn’t work.

And invoking Trump as if he solved this? His policies gutted legal immigration pathways while quietly relying on the same labor force he publicly demonized. The hypocrisy is staggering.

You want reform? Great. But start by recognizing the difference between a worker and a criminal. Because if you can’t tell the difference, maybe it’s not the immigrants who are the problem.

LOL. I love how you twist things. So funny! As I said we need immigrants. But people advocating that we let people be undocumented to prop up the economy is akin to advocating for people to be carjackers to prop up the car industry. Legalized immigration with vetting is healthy not sick. If you advocate for undocumented immigration, you must be pro-human trafficking. Did you go to Epstein Island with Trump??

But this isn't what Biden did for 4 years. His handlers felt that it was better to just open the border, schedule asylum hearings out for years, throw up their hands, and then grant amnesty. Generation(s) of new poor, low-skilled citizen workers who will vote Democrat as long as they are given free stuff.

The backlog for hearings wasn't Biden's doing, that's existed for years, and in fact Obama repeatedly asked for appropriations to fix it and was repeatedly sabotaged on that by Republicans. Fact of the matter is that both sides caused the problems and everything Trump is doing is only an expensive temporary band aid. We need serious reforms but the problem is Congress is an unserious clown show that has ceded its power to Trump and which seems more interested in cheap theatrics.

[Anonymous]

Let them do it. Just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Texas is making the change to avoid hitting the iceberg and becoming the next Titanic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Wow. So let me get this straight: you're comparing undocumented workers who mop hospital floors, care for our elders, build our homes, and harvest our food to carjackers?

That’s not just a bad analogy, it’s an astounding moral failure on your part, that you're trying to masquerade as policy concern. Carjackers steal property through violence. Migrant workers, documented or not, give labor through sweat and sacrifice, often under exploitative conditions that benefit the very businesses you claim to care about.

If you think the economy runs on patriotic slogans rather than actual labor, try running a nursing home without aides, or a harvest without pickers. Spoiler: it doesn’t work.

And invoking Trump as if he solved this? His policies gutted legal immigration pathways while quietly relying on the same labor force he publicly demonized. The hypocrisy is staggering.

You want reform? Great. But start by recognizing the difference between a worker and a criminal. Because if you can’t tell the difference, maybe it’s not the immigrants who are the problem.

LOL. I love how you twist things. So funny! As I said we need immigrants. But people advocating that we let people be undocumented to prop up the economy is akin to advocating for people to be carjackers to prop up the car industry. Legalized immigration with vetting is healthy not sick. If you advocate for undocumented immigration, you must be pro-human trafficking. Did you go to Epstein Island with Trump??

But this isn't what Biden did for 4 years. His handlers felt that it was better to just open the border, schedule asylum hearings out for years, throw up their hands, and then grant amnesty. Generation(s) of new poor, low-skilled citizen workers who will vote Democrat as long as they are given free stuff.

The people you are complaining about cannot vote in the USA.

Good point, and even if they have children who become citizens, many immigrants are actually socially conservative and vote for Republicans.

[Anonymous]

Newsom sure is working hard on this. It's like he's on a mission.

I wish he was on a mission when LA was burning down and the subsequent "rebuilding" which isn't happening.

We see what's important to democrats. Political power. Everything else just languishes.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Economies need people. Giving out work visas would work just fine. And actually before the republicans decided “the border” was a great wedge issue, many people traveled here seasonally for work, leaving their families in their home countries. And everyone was happy.

Ask yourself why doesn’t the GOP trifecta just mandate e-verify and put some $$ into making sure it works?

My argument was not about whether we need immigrants. And yes, need a good migrant worker program.

My issue is that people advocating we need undocumented immigrant workers. We need properly vetted immigrant workers and a system that penalizes both people crossing the border without permission and corporations employing undocumented / visa overstay people. We also need to stop the exploitation of the H1 visa pretending that American graduates of the same institutions as their foreign counterparts are too stupid to work in STEM fields. We all know the issue is labor costs. These things lead to the exploitation of immigrants Ans neglect of the domestic population.

The truth is Democrats and Republicans need each other to stay in power. Dems are silently (and some not so silently) cheering on Trump both bc they see his tactics as unpopular (therefore helpful to Dems in next election cycle) and an opportunity to use them against their opponents without getting their own hands dirty.

We need to get off the D&R hamster wheel.

I tend to vote democrats (grew up in a typical dem household that did not allow any other way) but I ultimately do not trust them. They will hug you while putting a knife in your back.

lol yeah sure. Oh those tricky democrats

Whoosh -- over your head again. It isn't "tricky democrats." It is that as a whole the party lacks situational awareness and are always surprised that people elected Trump. Or rather, many did not elect Trump, so much as not vote for the Democratic Party. Worse, it happened TWICE. They will probably vote not Trump 2028 (despite what he thinks, he didn't have a mandate from most Americans).

He didn't have a mandate with only 49.6 percent of the vote. Harris lost by 1.4 %!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are enough gerrymandable seats across the country in Dem areas to stand up to anything the GOP does, assuming all of the states are engaged in this.

IOW, the GOP is more gerryamndered with less juice to squeeze than the Dems.

I like to think that people might also be less apathetic and there will be real Democratic turnout, not to mention a few independents and Republicans voting Democratic.

But the elections actually have to take place and be respected.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Economies need people. Giving out work visas would work just fine. And actually before the republicans decided “the border” was a great wedge issue, many people traveled here seasonally for work, leaving their families in their home countries. And everyone was happy.

Ask yourself why doesn’t the GOP trifecta just mandate e-verify and put some $$ into making sure it works?

My argument was not about whether we need immigrants. And yes, need a good migrant worker program.

My issue is that people advocating we need undocumented immigrant workers. We need properly vetted immigrant workers and a system that penalizes both people crossing the border without permission and corporations employing undocumented / visa overstay people. We also need to stop the exploitation of the H1 visa pretending that American graduates of the same institutions as their foreign counterparts are too stupid to work in STEM fields. We all know the issue is labor costs. These things lead to the exploitation of immigrants Ans neglect of the domestic population.

The truth is Democrats and Republicans need each other to stay in power. Dems are silently (and some not so silently) cheering on Trump both bc they see his tactics as unpopular (therefore helpful to Dems in next election cycle) and an opportunity to use them against their opponents without getting their own hands dirty.

We need to get off the D&R hamster wheel.

I tend to vote democrats (grew up in a typical dem household that did not allow any other way) but I ultimately do not trust them. They will hug you while putting a knife in your back.

lol yeah sure. Oh those tricky democrats

Whoosh -- over your head again. It isn't "tricky democrats." It is that as a whole the party lacks situational awareness and are always surprised that people elected Trump. Or rather, many did not elect Trump, so much as not vote for the Democratic Party. Worse, it happened TWICE. They will probably vote not Trump 2028 (despite what he thinks, he didn't have a mandate from most Americans).

He didn't have a mandate with only 49.6 percent of the vote. Harris lost by 1.4 %!

And at this point Trump's approval ratings are underwater in pretty much every area so that tiny fingernail sliver of a so-called "mandate" that anyone could have claimed on election night is already long gone.

[Anonymous]

California loses the moral high ground if it takes the same tact as Texas. The more Dems deny being like MAGA, the more they look, sound and act like MAGA. They are mirrors of each other than opposites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:California loses the moral high ground if it takes the same tact as Texas. The more Dems deny being like MAGA, the more they look, sound and act like MAGA. They are mirrors of each other than opposites.

Finally! Democrats have been taking the high road for far too long. Time to play fair.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:California loses the moral high ground if it takes the same tact as Texas. The more Dems deny being like MAGA, the more they look, sound and act like MAGA. They are mirrors of each other than opposites.

Finally! Democrats have been taking the high road for far too long. Time to play fair.

Finally?? Are you kidding me? You’ve. Doing the same sh!t as each other for 20 years or more. Disgusting.

I can’t wait until you MAGA and mirror universe MAGA devour one another and we can final move forward. We need a party that actually cares about the people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:California loses the moral high ground if it takes the same tact as Texas. The more Dems deny being like MAGA, the more they look, sound and act like MAGA. They are mirrors of each other than opposites.

Finally! Democrats have been taking the high road for far too long. Time to play fair.

Exactly. Republicans are fighting dirty and it's long past time for Democrats to fight back with something more serious than a furrowed brow and a few stern words of disappointment. We don't need words and furrowed brows, we need actions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:California loses the moral high ground if it takes the same tact as Texas. The more Dems deny being like MAGA, the more they look, sound and act like MAGA. They are mirrors of each other than opposites.

California has had an independent commission responsible for redistricting for years. The only states that have ever used their supermajority Republican trifectas to redistrict mid-decade are Texas and North Carolina. These things are NOT. THE. SAME.
Finally! Democrats have been taking the high road for far too long. Time to play fair.

Finally?? Are you kidding me? You’ve. Doing the same sh!t as each other for 20 years or more. Disgusting.

I can’t wait until you MAGA and mirror universe MAGA devour one another and we can final move forward. We need a party that actually cares about the people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:California loses the moral high ground if it takes the same tact as Texas. The more Dems deny being like MAGA, the more they look, sound and act like MAGA. They are mirrors of each other than opposites.

Finally! Democrats have been taking the high road for far too long. Time to play fair.

Finally?? Are you kidding me? You’ve. Doing the same sh!t as each other for 20 years or more. Disgusting.

I can’t wait until you MAGA and mirror universe MAGA devour one another and we can final move forward. We need a party that actually cares about the people.

California has had an independent commission responsible for redistricting for years. The only states that have ever used their supermajority Republican trifectas to redistrict mid-decade are Texas and North Carolina. These things are NOT. THE. SAME.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:California loses the moral high ground if it takes the same tact as Texas. The more Dems deny being like MAGA, the more they look, sound and act like MAGA. They are mirrors of each other than opposites.

Finally! Democrats have been taking the high road for far too long. Time to play fair.

Exactly. Republicans are fighting dirty and it's long past time for Democrats to fight back with something more serious than a furrowed brow and a few stern words of disappointment. We don't need words and furrowed brows, we need actions.

Republicans do not believe in our system of government and would rather kill every democrat and independent vs be removed from power. People must recognize reality and act accordingly against republicans.

[Anonymous]

We need to make gerrymandering illegal. Both sides use it to their perceived advantage, which only serves to further divide us as a nation.