California moving forward to redistricting

[Anonymous]

CA resident checking in - we love the fight that Newsom is bringing to Trump! My 18-year old son can't wait to vote for his ERRA (Election Rigging Response Act) on the November ballot.

Fight fire with FIRE!

Also wow what a speech by Isiah Martin (TX congressional redistricting committee)! He's also got the FIRE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CA resident checking in - we love the fight that Newsom is bringing to Trump! My 18-year old son can't wait to vote for his ERRA (Election Rigging Response Act) on the November ballot.

Fight fire with FIRE!

Also wow what a speech by Isiah Martin (TX congressional redistricting committee)! He's also got the FIRE.

Agreed. Let's go America! Let's toss out this destructive, disgusting, greedy pedophile and take back our nation. WE are bigger than him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Economies need people. Giving out work visas would work just fine. And actually before the republicans decided “the border” was a great wedge issue, many people traveled here seasonally for work, leaving their families in their home countries. And everyone was happy.

Ask yourself why doesn’t the GOP trifecta just mandate e-verify and put some $$ into making sure it works?

My argument was not about whether we need immigrants. And yes, need a good migrant worker program.

My issue is that people advocating we need undocumented immigrant workers. We need properly vetted immigrant workers and a system that penalizes both people crossing the border without permission and corporations employing undocumented / visa overstay people. We also need to stop the exploitation of the H1 visa pretending that American graduates of the same institutions as their foreign counterparts are too stupid to work in STEM fields. We all know the issue is labor costs. These things lead to the exploitation of immigrants Ans neglect of the domestic population.

The truth is Democrats and Republicans need each other to stay in power. Dems are silently (and some not so silently) cheering on Trump both bc they see his tactics as unpopular (therefore helpful to Dems in next election cycle) and an opportunity to use them against their opponents without getting their own hands dirty.

We need to get off the D&R hamster wheel.

I tend to vote democrats (grew up in a typical dem household that did not allow any other way) but I ultimately do not trust them. They will hug you while putting a knife in your back.

lol yeah sure. Oh those tricky democrats

Whoosh -- over your head again. It isn't "tricky democrats." It is that as a whole the party lacks situational awareness and are always surprised that people elected Trump. Or rather, many did not elect Trump, so much as not vote for the Democratic Party. Worse, it happened TWICE. They will probably vote not Trump 2028 (despite what he thinks, he didn't have a mandate from most Americans).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Wow. So let me get this straight: you're comparing undocumented workers who mop hospital floors, care for our elders, build our homes, and harvest our food to carjackers?

That’s not just a bad analogy, it’s an astounding moral failure on your part, that you're trying to masquerade as policy concern. Carjackers steal property through violence. Migrant workers, documented or not, give labor through sweat and sacrifice, often under exploitative conditions that benefit the very businesses you claim to care about.

If you think the economy runs on patriotic slogans rather than actual labor, try running a nursing home without aides, or a harvest without pickers. Spoiler: it doesn’t work.

And invoking Trump as if he solved this? His policies gutted legal immigration pathways while quietly relying on the same labor force he publicly demonized. The hypocrisy is staggering.

You want reform? Great. But start by recognizing the difference between a worker and a criminal. Because if you can’t tell the difference, maybe it’s not the immigrants who are the problem.

LOL. I love how you twist things. So funny! As I said we need immigrants. But people advocating that we let people be undocumented to prop up the economy is akin to advocating for people to be carjackers to prop up the car industry. Legalized immigration with vetting is healthy not sick. If you advocate for undocumented immigration, you must be pro-human trafficking. Did you go to Epstein Island with Trump??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Economies need people. Giving out work visas would work just fine. And actually before the republicans decided “the border” was a great wedge issue, many people traveled here seasonally for work, leaving their families in their home countries. And everyone was happy.

Ask yourself why doesn’t the GOP trifecta just mandate e-verify and put some $$ into making sure it works?

My argument was not about whether we need immigrants. And yes, need a good migrant worker program.

My issue is that people advocating we need undocumented immigrant workers. We need properly vetted immigrant workers and a system that penalizes both people crossing the border without permission and corporations employing undocumented / visa overstay people. We also need to stop the exploitation of the H1 visa pretending that American graduates of the same institutions as their foreign counterparts are too stupid to work in STEM fields. We all know the issue is labor costs. These things lead to the exploitation of immigrants Ans neglect of the domestic population.

The truth is Democrats and Republicans need each other to stay in power. Dems are silently (and some not so silently) cheering on Trump both bc they see his tactics as unpopular (therefore helpful to Dems in next election cycle) and an opportunity to use them against their opponents without getting their own hands dirty.

We need to get off the D&R hamster wheel.

I tend to vote democrats (grew up in a typical dem household that did not allow any other way) but I ultimately do not trust them. They will hug you while putting a knife in your back.

lol yeah sure. Oh those tricky democrats

Whoosh -- over your head again. It isn't "tricky democrats." It is that as a whole the party lacks situational awareness and are always surprised that people elected Trump. Or rather, many did not elect Trump, so much as not vote for the Democratic Party. Worse, it happened TWICE. They will probably vote not Trump 2028 (despite what he thinks, he didn't have a mandate from most Americans).

I don’t care if the vote FOR Democrats or AGAINST Trump. The outcome is the same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Five more Democrat seats. I hope other Blue states will follow suit

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/california-moving-forward-partisan-redistricting-184702122.html

This. Governor Newsom is a true leader.

He lead his state into a huge 25 billion dollar budget deficit! Maybe paying for healthcare and free college for millions of illegals was not a such a great
Idea?

Yeah, no. Not so great.

Now total Trump's trillions. None of it going to Americans who need it most.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Economies need people. Giving out work visas would work just fine. And actually before the republicans decided “the border” was a great wedge issue, many people traveled here seasonally for work, leaving their families in their home countries. And everyone was happy.

Ask yourself why doesn’t the GOP trifecta just mandate e-verify and put some $$ into making sure it works?

My argument was not about whether we need immigrants. And yes, need a good migrant worker program.

My issue is that people advocating we need undocumented immigrant workers. We need properly vetted immigrant workers and a system that penalizes both people crossing the border without permission and corporations employing undocumented / visa overstay people. We also need to stop the exploitation of the H1 visa pretending that American graduates of the same institutions as their foreign counterparts are too stupid to work in STEM fields. We all know the issue is labor costs. These things lead to the exploitation of immigrants Ans neglect of the domestic population.

The truth is Democrats and Republicans need each other to stay in power. Dems are silently (and some not so silently) cheering on Trump both bc they see his tactics as unpopular (therefore helpful to Dems in next election cycle) and an opportunity to use them against their opponents without getting their own hands dirty.

We need to get off the D&R hamster wheel.

I tend to vote democrats (grew up in a typical dem household that did not allow any other way) but I ultimately do not trust them. They will hug you while putting a knife in your back.

lol yeah sure. Oh those tricky democrats

Whoosh -- over your head again. It isn't "tricky democrats." It is that as a whole the party lacks situational awareness and are always surprised that people elected Trump. Or rather, many did not elect Trump, so much as not vote for the Democratic Party. Worse, it happened TWICE. They will probably vote not Trump 2028 (despite what he thinks, he didn't have a mandate from most Americans).

I don’t care if the vote FOR Democrats or AGAINST Trump. The outcome is the same.

Another example of how the Democrats failure to understand nuance cost us the election again in 2024. We may win in 2028, but we will not understand why.

The name of the game in politics these days is finding a way to remain in power forever. That was what was discussed when Obama took office, that was what was hoped when Biden took office. Should we be surprised that is what Trump wants?

The only way the people win is if they ignore the major parties (who are obsessed with power not people) and find new major parties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Wow. So let me get this straight: you're comparing undocumented workers who mop hospital floors, care for our elders, build our homes, and harvest our food to carjackers?

That’s not just a bad analogy, it’s an astounding moral failure on your part, that you're trying to masquerade as policy concern. Carjackers steal property through violence. Migrant workers, documented or not, give labor through sweat and sacrifice, often under exploitative conditions that benefit the very businesses you claim to care about.

If you think the economy runs on patriotic slogans rather than actual labor, try running a nursing home without aides, or a harvest without pickers. Spoiler: it doesn’t work.

And invoking Trump as if he solved this? His policies gutted legal immigration pathways while quietly relying on the same labor force he publicly demonized. The hypocrisy is staggering.

You want reform? Great. But start by recognizing the difference between a worker and a criminal. Because if you can’t tell the difference, maybe it’s not the immigrants who are the problem.

LOL. I love how you twist things. So funny! As I said we need immigrants. But people advocating that we let people be undocumented to prop up the economy is akin to advocating for people to be carjackers to prop up the car industry. Legalized immigration with vetting is healthy not sick. If you advocate for undocumented immigration, you must be pro-human trafficking. Did you go to Epstein Island with Trump??

But this isn't what Biden did for 4 years. His handlers felt that it was better to just open the border, schedule asylum hearings out for years, throw up their hands, and then grant amnesty. Generation(s) of new poor, low-skilled citizen workers who will vote Democrat as long as they are given free stuff.

[Anonymous]

Look this does not matter. The supreme Court will overturn any and all democratic gerrymandering(like they did in NY) and approve all republican gerrymandering.

This is already all planned out. The court has agreed to do this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Economies need people. Giving out work visas would work just fine. And actually before the republicans decided “the border” was a great wedge issue, many people traveled here seasonally for work, leaving their families in their home countries. And everyone was happy.

Ask yourself why doesn’t the GOP trifecta just mandate e-verify and put some $$ into making sure it works?

My argument was not about whether we need immigrants. And yes, need a good migrant worker program.

My issue is that people advocating we need undocumented immigrant workers. We need properly vetted immigrant workers and a system that penalizes both people crossing the border without permission and corporations employing undocumented / visa overstay people. We also need to stop the exploitation of the H1 visa pretending that American graduates of the same institutions as their foreign counterparts are too stupid to work in STEM fields. We all know the issue is labor costs. These things lead to the exploitation of immigrants Ans neglect of the domestic population.

The truth is Democrats and Republicans need each other to stay in power. Dems are silently (and some not so silently) cheering on Trump both bc they see his tactics as unpopular (therefore helpful to Dems in next election cycle) and an opportunity to use them against their opponents without getting their own hands dirty.

We need to get off the D&R hamster wheel.

I tend to vote democrats (grew up in a typical dem household that did not allow any other way) but I ultimately do not trust them. They will hug you while putting a knife in your back.

lol yeah sure. Oh those tricky democrats

Whoosh -- over your head again. It isn't "tricky democrats." It is that as a whole the party lacks situational awareness and are always surprised that people elected Trump. Or rather, many did not elect Trump, so much as not vote for the Democratic Party. Worse, it happened TWICE. They will probably vote not Trump 2028 (despite what he thinks, he didn't have a mandate from most Americans).

I don’t care if the vote FOR Democrats or AGAINST Trump. The outcome is the same.

Another example of how the Democrats failure to understand nuance cost us the election again in 2024. We may win in 2028, but we will not understand why.

The name of the game in politics these days is finding a way to remain in power forever. That was what was discussed when Obama took office, that was what was hoped when Biden took office. Should we be surprised that is what Trump wants?

The only way the people win is if they ignore the major parties (who are obsessed with power not people) and find new major parties.

You’re being ridiculously naive. Politics has always been about power, and America isn’t going to magically crest new parties. Pick the candidate in the primaries that most closely represents your beliefs. Pick your lesser poison in the general election. That’s the way it’d always been,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Economies need people. Giving out work visas would work just fine. And actually before the republicans decided “the border” was a great wedge issue, many people traveled here seasonally for work, leaving their families in their home countries. And everyone was happy.

Ask yourself why doesn’t the GOP trifecta just mandate e-verify and put some $$ into making sure it works?

My argument was not about whether we need immigrants. And yes, need a good migrant worker program.

My issue is that people advocating we need undocumented immigrant workers. We need properly vetted immigrant workers and a system that penalizes both people crossing the border without permission and corporations employing undocumented / visa overstay people. We also need to stop the exploitation of the H1 visa pretending that American graduates of the same institutions as their foreign counterparts are too stupid to work in STEM fields. We all know the issue is labor costs. These things lead to the exploitation of immigrants Ans neglect of the domestic population.

The truth is Democrats and Republicans need each other to stay in power. Dems are silently (and some not so silently) cheering on Trump both bc they see his tactics as unpopular (therefore helpful to Dems in next election cycle) and an opportunity to use them against their opponents without getting their own hands dirty.

We need to get off the D&R hamster wheel.

I tend to vote democrats (grew up in a typical dem household that did not allow any other way) but I ultimately do not trust them. They will hug you while putting a knife in your back.

lol yeah sure. Oh those tricky democrats

Whoosh -- over your head again. It isn't "tricky democrats." It is that as a whole the party lacks situational awareness and are always surprised that people elected Trump. Or rather, many did not elect Trump, so much as not vote for the Democratic Party. Worse, it happened TWICE. They will probably vote not Trump 2028 (despite what he thinks, he didn't have a mandate from most Americans).

I don’t care if the vote FOR Democrats or AGAINST Trump. The outcome is the same.

Another example of how the Democrats failure to understand nuance cost us the election again in 2024. We may win in 2028, but we will not understand why.

The name of the game in politics these days is finding a way to remain in power forever. That was what was discussed when Obama took office, that was what was hoped when Biden took office. Should we be surprised that is what Trump wants?

The only way the people win is if they ignore the major parties (who are obsessed with power not people) and find new major parties.

You’re being ridiculously naive. Politics has always been about power, and America isn’t going to magically crest new parties. Pick the candidate in the primaries that most closely represents your beliefs. Pick your lesser poison in the general election. That’s the way it’d always been,

So what? Always been? I did my duty according to my so-called Democratic leaders. They are too full of whatever mess they are brewing in their minds. Not voting MAGA. Will work to create new majority parties.

Always been doesn’t mean must continue to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look this does not matter. The supreme Court will overturn any and all democratic gerrymandering(like they did in NY) and approve all republican gerrymandering.

This is already all planned out. The court has agreed to do this.

The US Supreme Court had nothing to do with the Democratic gerrymandering in New York.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look this does not matter. The supreme Court will overturn any and all democratic gerrymandering(like they did in NY) and approve all republican gerrymandering.

This is already all planned out. The court has agreed to do this.

The US Supreme Court had nothing to do with the Democratic gerrymandering in New York.

The Supreme Court already blessed political gerrymandering Rucho v. Common Cause

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Wow. So let me get this straight: you're comparing undocumented workers who mop hospital floors, care for our elders, build our homes, and harvest our food to carjackers?

That’s not just a bad analogy, it’s an astounding moral failure on your part, that you're trying to masquerade as policy concern. Carjackers steal property through violence. Migrant workers, documented or not, give labor through sweat and sacrifice, often under exploitative conditions that benefit the very businesses you claim to care about.

If you think the economy runs on patriotic slogans rather than actual labor, try running a nursing home without aides, or a harvest without pickers. Spoiler: it doesn’t work.

And invoking Trump as if he solved this? His policies gutted legal immigration pathways while quietly relying on the same labor force he publicly demonized. The hypocrisy is staggering.

You want reform? Great. But start by recognizing the difference between a worker and a criminal. Because if you can’t tell the difference, maybe it’s not the immigrants who are the problem.

LOL. I love how you twist things. So funny! As I said we need immigrants. But people advocating that we let people be undocumented to prop up the economy is akin to advocating for people to be carjackers to prop up the car industry. Legalized immigration with vetting is healthy not sick. If you advocate for undocumented immigration, you must be pro-human trafficking. Did you go to Epstein Island with Trump??

But this isn't what Biden did for 4 years. His handlers felt that it was better to just open the border, schedule asylum hearings out for years, throw up their hands, and then grant amnesty. Generation(s) of new poor, low-skilled citizen workers who will vote Democrat as long as they are given free stuff.

The people you are complaining about cannot vote in the USA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Wow. So let me get this straight: you're comparing undocumented workers who mop hospital floors, care for our elders, build our homes, and harvest our food to carjackers?

That’s not just a bad analogy, it’s an astounding moral failure on your part, that you're trying to masquerade as policy concern. Carjackers steal property through violence. Migrant workers, documented or not, give labor through sweat and sacrifice, often under exploitative conditions that benefit the very businesses you claim to care about.

If you think the economy runs on patriotic slogans rather than actual labor, try running a nursing home without aides, or a harvest without pickers. Spoiler: it doesn’t work.

And invoking Trump as if he solved this? His policies gutted legal immigration pathways while quietly relying on the same labor force he publicly demonized. The hypocrisy is staggering.

You want reform? Great. But start by recognizing the difference between a worker and a criminal. Because if you can’t tell the difference, maybe it’s not the immigrants who are the problem.

LOL. I love how you twist things. So funny! As I said we need immigrants. But people advocating that we let people be undocumented to prop up the economy is akin to advocating for people to be carjackers to prop up the car industry. Legalized immigration with vetting is healthy not sick. If you advocate for undocumented immigration, you must be pro-human trafficking. Did you go to Epstein Island with Trump??

It's a shitty analogy that undermines your argument. Also, I'm not pro-illegal immigration, I'm pro fixing our broken visa system to let them come here legally. So not only do you have bad analogies, you have faulty assumptions, too. Do better.