Why do women focus on men and their dating issues? Why do women care?

[Anonymous]

Imagine you have 10 men and 10 women ranked 1-10 for each sex. Woman #5, an average woman, will want man #2, who will sleep with her. She will reject man #5, who is her match and complain about the lack of quality. She can get sex from a man she likes but not a relationship, and she is incapable of understanding why.

This paragraph is one of the best in this thread. To follow it up, Woman #5 will "settle" for Man #5 to have a family. Specifically, she will believe that she deserved Man #2 (based on the fact that they hooked up) instead of Man #5 (who is her true peer).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They do because they are struggling to find quality men. When women want something they are on a mission. So it's to their benefits that men don't give up on dating. Women aren't going to admit it, but the vast majority are compromising big time on the person they are currently dating. When 10 women have at most 5 quality guys to pick from clearly most will end up with their options #3 or #4. This is why you see all these threads that have common themes about their bfs/fiancees/husbands

If the women were higher quality themselves, they wouldn't be struggling to find a man. Some of us had no problems finding one

This! Many high quality men do not want women that have taken on masculine characteristics pushed by angry feminism. They also find what women are currently doing to their bodies is gross. Botox, duck lips, fillers, ass implants. Women don't even look like women anymore.
These women act like when looking for a man, they are shopping on the clearance rack but they fail to understand that they are also on the clearance rack.

Imagine you have 10 men and 10 women ranked 1-10 for each sex. Woman #5, an average woman, will want man #2, who will sleep with her. She will reject man #5, who is her match and complain about the lack of quality. She can get sex from a man she likes but not a relationship, and she is incapable of understanding why.

Most of my girlfriends ended up marrying men most here would consider "high value." Most of us do not have significant careers and support our husbands and our families. Back when we were all single, our husbands had lots of choices. Our friends who were focused on their careers are far more likely to be divorced or never married. Those who married had fewer children. It's wild to see how a few of us who had 3-4 kids had more kids than a dozen of our peers put together.

This won't change anytime soon because women evolved to be picky.

Holy smug, lady. Come back and talk to us when those friends with no meaningful careers DHs start having affairs with younger prettier things, and they either have to live with it or divorce under massive financial burden.

[Anonymous]

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Men cannot tell if a woman has had good Botox and fillers. Trust me. Many of the women men find most attractive have had these done, it’s just done well.

Yes you can. They have the smooth flat faces that don't reflect natural human emotions and they don't have wrinkles or creases that come with aging. The lips are also grotesquely large and plump.

Stop thinking you're pulling one over on us.

Post some pics of women who you think haven’t had any work done. Again, you are thinking of poorly done work. Millions of women have lips that aren’t grotesquely large, but pleasantly plump. Or fillers in checks and jaws to add definition. You are in denial if you think you can tell every person who has it. There are some very skilled (and very expensive!) people who do Botox and filler and the results are beautiful. I haven’t bit the bullet yet, but there are some great possibilities.

Many black women have naturally full beautiful lips and defined jawlines. So I'm assuming y'all are talking about non black women when y'all talk about fake lips and jaws.

I'm not surprised, because y'all never include black women in these types of threads.

[Anonymous]

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Men cannot tell if a woman has had good Botox and fillers. Trust me. Many of the women men find most attractive have had these done, it’s just done well.

Yes you can. They have the smooth flat faces that don't reflect natural human emotions and they don't have wrinkles or creases that come with aging. The lips are also grotesquely large and plump.

Stop thinking you're pulling one over on us.

Post some pics of women who you think haven’t had any work done. Again, you are thinking of poorly done work. Millions of women have lips that aren’t grotesquely large, but pleasantly plump. Or fillers in checks and jaws to add definition. You are in denial if you think you can tell every person who has it. There are some very skilled (and very expensive!) people who do Botox and filler and the results are beautiful. I haven’t bit the bullet yet, but there are some great possibilities.

Many black women have naturally full beautiful lips and defined jawlines. So I'm assuming y'all are talking about non black women when y'all talk about fake lips and jaws.

I'm not surprised, because y'all never include black women in these types of threads.

Do you think black women don’t get Botox and fillers? I have a bridge to sell you if so…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Men cannot tell if a woman has had good Botox and fillers. Trust me. Many of the women men find most attractive have had these done, it’s just done well.

Yes you can. They have the smooth flat faces that don't reflect natural human emotions and they don't have wrinkles or creases that come with aging. The lips are also grotesquely large and plump.

Stop thinking you're pulling one over on us.

Post some pics of women who you think haven’t had any work done. Again, you are thinking of poorly done work. Millions of women have lips that aren’t grotesquely large, but pleasantly plump. Or fillers in checks and jaws to add definition. You are in denial if you think you can tell every person who has it. There are some very skilled (and very expensive!) people who do Botox and filler and the results are beautiful. I haven’t bit the bullet yet, but there are some great possibilities.

Many black women have naturally full beautiful lips and defined jawlines. So I'm assuming y'all are talking about non black women when y'all talk about fake lips and jaws.

I'm not surprised, because y'all never include black women in these types of threads.

Do you think black women don’t get Botox and fillers? I have a bridge to sell you if so…

Haha. My mom who is 70 I guess is delaying aging as much as she can..She is all with Botox

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Men cannot tell if a woman has had good Botox and fillers. Trust me. Many of the women men find most attractive have had these done, it’s just done well.

Yes you can. They have the smooth flat faces that don't reflect natural human emotions and they don't have wrinkles or creases that come with aging. The lips are also grotesquely large and plump.

Stop thinking you're pulling one over on us.

Post some pics of women who you think haven’t had any work done. Again, you are thinking of poorly done work. Millions of women have lips that aren’t grotesquely large, but pleasantly plump. Or fillers in checks and jaws to add definition. You are in denial if you think you can tell every person who has it. There are some very skilled (and very expensive!) people who do Botox and filler and the results are beautiful. I haven’t bit the bullet yet, but there are some great possibilities.

Many black women have naturally full beautiful lips and defined jawlines. So I'm assuming y'all are talking about non black women when y'all talk about fake lips and jaws.

I'm not surprised, because y'all never include black women in these types of threads.

Do you think black women don’t get Botox and fillers? I have a bridge to sell you if so…

Black don’t crack

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Men cannot tell if a woman has had good Botox and fillers. Trust me. Many of the women men find most attractive have had these done, it’s just done well.

Yes you can. They have the smooth flat faces that don't reflect natural human emotions and they don't have wrinkles or creases that come with aging. The lips are also grotesquely large and plump.

Stop thinking you're pulling one over on us.

Post some pics of women who you think haven’t had any work done. Again, you are thinking of poorly done work. Millions of women have lips that aren’t grotesquely large, but pleasantly plump. Or fillers in checks and jaws to add definition. You are in denial if you think you can tell every person who has it. There are some very skilled (and very expensive!) people who do Botox and filler and the results are beautiful. I haven’t bit the bullet yet, but there are some great possibilities.

Many black women have naturally full beautiful lips and defined jawlines. So I'm assuming y'all are talking about non black women when y'all talk about fake lips and jaws.

I'm not surprised, because y'all never include black women in these types of threads.

Do you think black women don’t get Botox and fillers? I have a bridge to sell you if so…

Haha. My mom who is 70 I guess is delaying aging as much as she can..She is all with Botox

I love that for her! Women of all ages and races get filler and botox. Not sure why this guy thinks is some tiny, rare subset of the population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Men cannot tell if a woman has had good Botox and fillers. Trust me. Many of the women men find most attractive have had these done, it’s just done well.

Yes you can. They have the smooth flat faces that don't reflect natural human emotions and they don't have wrinkles or creases that come with aging. The lips are also grotesquely large and plump.

Stop thinking you're pulling one over on us.

Post some pics of women who you think haven’t had any work done. Again, you are thinking of poorly done work. Millions of women have lips that aren’t grotesquely large, but pleasantly plump. Or fillers in checks and jaws to add definition. You are in denial if you think you can tell every person who has it. There are some very skilled (and very expensive!) people who do Botox and filler and the results are beautiful. I haven’t bit the bullet yet, but there are some great possibilities.

Many black women have naturally full beautiful lips and defined jawlines. So I'm assuming y'all are talking about non black women when y'all talk about fake lips and jaws.

I'm not surprised, because y'all never include black women in these types of threads.

Do you think black women don’t get Botox and fillers? I have a bridge to sell you if so…

Sorry, I know I mentioned jaws...but I was mostly referring to the mention of most women don't have naturally full lips and defined cheekbones, when these are common beauty traits for many black women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Men cannot tell if a woman has had good Botox and fillers. Trust me. Many of the women men find most attractive have had these done, it’s just done well.

Yes you can. They have the smooth flat faces that don't reflect natural human emotions and they don't have wrinkles or creases that come with aging. The lips are also grotesquely large and plump.

Stop thinking you're pulling one over on us.

Post some pics of women who you think haven’t had any work done. Again, you are thinking of poorly done work. Millions of women have lips that aren’t grotesquely large, but pleasantly plump. Or fillers in checks and jaws to add definition. You are in denial if you think you can tell every person who has it. There are some very skilled (and very expensive!) people who do Botox and filler and the results are beautiful. I haven’t bit the bullet yet, but there are some great possibilities.

Many black women have naturally full beautiful lips and defined jawlines. So I'm assuming y'all are talking about non black women when y'all talk about fake lips and jaws.

I'm not surprised, because y'all never include black women in these types of threads.

Do you think black women don’t get Botox and fillers? I have a bridge to sell you if so…

Sorry, I know I mentioned jaws...but I was mostly referring to the mention of most women don't have naturally full lips and defined cheekbones, when these are common beauty traits for many black women.

You’re right of course, doesn’t mean that black women aren’t still enhancing certain things. Sza literally has a song about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They do because they are struggling to find quality men. When women want something they are on a mission. So it's to their benefits that men don't give up on dating. Women aren't going to admit it, but the vast majority are compromising big time on the person they are currently dating. When 10 women have at most 5 quality guys to pick from clearly most will end up with their options #3 or #4. This is why you see all these threads that have common themes about their bfs/fiancees/husbands

If the women were higher quality themselves, they wouldn't be struggling to find a man. Some of us had no problems finding one

This! Many high quality men do not want women that have taken on masculine characteristics pushed by angry feminism. They also find what women are currently doing to their bodies is gross. Botox, duck lips, fillers, ass implants. Women don't even look like women anymore.
These women act like when looking for a man, they are shopping on the clearance rack but they fail to understand that they are also on the clearance rack.

Imagine you have 10 men and 10 women ranked 1-10 for each sex. Woman #5, an average woman, will want man #2, who will sleep with her. She will reject man #5, who is her match and complain about the lack of quality. She can get sex from a man she likes but not a relationship, and she is incapable of understanding why.

Most of my girlfriends ended up marrying men most here would consider "high value." Most of us do not have significant careers and support our husbands and our families. Back when we were all single, our husbands had lots of choices. Our friends who were focused on their careers are far more likely to be divorced or never married. Those who married had fewer children. It's wild to see how a few of us who had 3-4 kids had more kids than a dozen of our peers put together.

This won't change anytime soon because women evolved to be picky.

Holy smug, lady. Come back and talk to us when those friends with no meaningful careers DHs start having affairs with younger prettier things, and they either have to live with it or divorce under massive financial burden.

Most of us have been married 15-18 years without a single affair and one divorce (to the only childless couple). Most of the husbands attended a well-known graduate school and have great careers. Just because you have surrounded yourself with degenerate men (and the women they attract), it does not mean the rest of us have the same problems. Some of us are thriving in mostly traditional relationships.

I agree with the women here who lament the lack of good men. It's hard out there! However, I watched many of those same women excoriate the Princeton mom years ago who said Princeton girls should marry Princeton guys and look for them in college. We women have not been helping ourselves by ignoring the tradeoffs we face in the modern dating market.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They do because they are struggling to find quality men. When women want something they are on a mission. So it's to their benefits that men don't give up on dating. Women aren't going to admit it, but the vast majority are compromising big time on the person they are currently dating. When 10 women have at most 5 quality guys to pick from clearly most will end up with their options #3 or #4. This is why you see all these threads that have common themes about their bfs/fiancees/husbands

If the women were higher quality themselves, they wouldn't be struggling to find a man. Some of us had no problems finding one

I don't think you get it. It is not hard to find a man. The quality is the issue.

I don't think you get it. You can have a high quality man if you are willing to give him what he wants. He doesn't care about your corporate career. That doesn't make you high quality to him. He already has a good career and makes plenty of money so your career adds absolutely nothing to his happiness. Stop trying to tell men what they should value in a woman, it's their decision - not yours.

How would that be a high quality man? I would think that a man who doesn't support my dreams as much as I support his, would be very low quality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They do because they are struggling to find quality men. When women want something they are on a mission. So it's to their benefits that men don't give up on dating. Women aren't going to admit it, but the vast majority are compromising big time on the person they are currently dating. When 10 women have at most 5 quality guys to pick from clearly most will end up with their options #3 or #4. This is why you see all these threads that have common themes about their bfs/fiancees/husbands

If the women were higher quality themselves, they wouldn't be struggling to find a man. Some of us had no problems finding one

I don't think you get it. It is not hard to find a man. The quality is the issue.

I don't think you get it. You can have a high quality man if you are willing to give him what he wants. He doesn't care about your corporate career. That doesn't make you high quality to him. He already has a good career and makes plenty of money so your career adds absolutely nothing to his happiness. Stop trying to tell men what they should value in a woman, it's their decision - not yours.

How would that be a high quality man? I would think that a man who doesn't support my dreams as much as I support his, would be very low quality.

A man who is attractive to other women is "high value." This man has his pick of the litter. He won't choose a woman whose career comes first or even second because he doesn't value it. What you think is irrelevant to what he wants. And, here's the rub, other women want him so he doesn't have to compromise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They do because they are struggling to find quality men. When women want something they are on a mission. So it's to their benefits that men don't give up on dating. Women aren't going to admit it, but the vast majority are compromising big time on the person they are currently dating. When 10 women have at most 5 quality guys to pick from clearly most will end up with their options #3 or #4. This is why you see all these threads that have common themes about their bfs/fiancees/husbands

If the women were higher quality themselves, they wouldn't be struggling to find a man. Some of us had no problems finding one

I don't think you get it. It is not hard to find a man. The quality is the issue.

I don't think you get it. You can have a high quality man if you are willing to give him what he wants. He doesn't care about your corporate career. That doesn't make you high quality to him. He already has a good career and makes plenty of money so your career adds absolutely nothing to his happiness. Stop trying to tell men what they should value in a woman, it's their decision - not yours.

How would that be a high quality man? I would think that a man who doesn't support my dreams as much as I support his, would be very low quality.

A man who is attractive to other women is "high value." This man has his pick of the litter. He won't choose a woman whose career comes first or even second because he doesn't value it. What you think is irrelevant to what he wants. And, here's the rub, other women want him so he doesn't have to compromise.

But why would we would a man who doesn't care about his partner's career? Ew. That is not a high value man for many women. So the value is subjective I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They do because they are struggling to find quality men. When women want something they are on a mission. So it's to their benefits that men don't give up on dating. Women aren't going to admit it, but the vast majority are compromising big time on the person they are currently dating. When 10 women have at most 5 quality guys to pick from clearly most will end up with their options #3 or #4. This is why you see all these threads that have common themes about their bfs/fiancees/husbands

If the women were higher quality themselves, they wouldn't be struggling to find a man. Some of us had no problems finding one

I don't think you get it. It is not hard to find a man. The quality is the issue.

I don't think you get it. You can have a high quality man if you are willing to give him what he wants. He doesn't care about your corporate career. That doesn't make you high quality to him. He already has a good career and makes plenty of money so your career adds absolutely nothing to his happiness. Stop trying to tell men what they should value in a woman, it's their decision - not yours.

How would that be a high quality man? I would think that a man who doesn't support my dreams as much as I support his, would be very low quality.

A man who is attractive to other women is "high value." This man has his pick of the litter. He won't choose a woman whose career comes first or even second because he doesn't value it. What you think is irrelevant to what he wants. And, here's the rub, other women want him so he doesn't have to compromise.

You must spend your time with very old men. Gen Z, and now Gen A, have zero interest in boys/men who won't support their dreams and aspirations.

Have you dated recently? I'm an older millennial, single, and the dating market has changed massively since I last dated in my 20s. Women aren't impressed by a man with a good career anymore, he also needs to be emotionally available, good with kids, supportive, etc. The men who flaunt their money and judge women by their looks get very little interest, especially from the younger Gen Z women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They do because they are struggling to find quality men. When women want something they are on a mission. So it's to their benefits that men don't give up on dating. Women aren't going to admit it, but the vast majority are compromising big time on the person they are currently dating. When 10 women have at most 5 quality guys to pick from clearly most will end up with their options #3 or #4. This is why you see all these threads that have common themes about their bfs/fiancees/husbands

If the women were higher quality themselves, they wouldn't be struggling to find a man. Some of us had no problems finding one

I don't think you get it. It is not hard to find a man. The quality is the issue.

I don't think you get it. You can have a high quality man if you are willing to give him what he wants. He doesn't care about your corporate career. That doesn't make you high quality to him. He already has a good career and makes plenty of money so your career adds absolutely nothing to his happiness. Stop trying to tell men what they should value in a woman, it's their decision - not yours.

How would that be a high quality man? I would think that a man who doesn't support my dreams as much as I support his, would be very low quality.

A man who is attractive to other women is "high value." This man has his pick of the litter. He won't choose a woman whose career comes first or even second because he doesn't value it. What you think is irrelevant to what he wants. And, here's the rub, other women want him so he doesn't have to compromise.

But why would we would a man who doesn't care about his partner's career? Ew. That is not a high value man for many women. So the value is subjective I guess.

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I don't find men who want submissive doormats "high value" at all.

These are the same people who say that women shouldn't "yap" to their man. Why? My husband actually likes me. He wants to hear about my day. The men who act like their wifes voice is grating and sandpaper to them just clearly don't like them or care what they think or say. That's not a "high value" man at all.