The voucher effect

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Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

Why would this be a factor in the argument? The public schools do offer those services so children will still have their needs met.

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Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

Why would this be a factor in the argument? The public schools do offer those services so children will still have their needs met.

Sigh. They have to be included with typical kids as well to receive that instruction and if all the typical kids are in charters……. I mean until you get rid of that law too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

Why would this be a factor in the argument? The public schools do offer those services so children will still have their needs met.

Sigh. They have to be included with typical kids as well to receive that instruction and if all the typical kids are in charters……. I mean until you get rid of that law too.

Well, here is a novel idea:

1. Tell the School Board and Reid to comply with DOJ. That means hiring on merit. Keep boys out of girls' locker rooms, bathrooms, and sports.
2. Start stressing hard work in high schools.
3, Even the playing field so pupil placement is not an option--get rid of IB. This will solve some of their concerns about some schools.
4. Work on preparing kids for jobs. Not every child aspires to be a rocket scientist.
5. Keep parents in the loop.

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Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

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Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

Sweetie, they don’t value you or your child more than FCPS. They would however value your money more than FCPS does. And if you fall for that, that your value is what you pay and how elite it makes you feel, you can be manipulated by private schools and many others all day long. It is that exact feeling that has created Trump’s Chumps.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

Why would this be a factor in the argument? The public schools do offer those services so children will still have their needs met.

Sigh. They have to be included with typical kids as well to receive that instruction and if all the typical kids are in charters……. I mean until you get rid of that law too.

So you are angry because other people's Neuro typical kids will not be available in abundance for Neuro divergent kids to use as study guides?

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Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

Sweetie, they don’t value you or your child more than FCPS. They would however value your money more than FCPS does. And if you fall for that, that your value is what you pay and how elite it makes you feel, you can be manipulated by private schools and many others all day long. It is that exact feeling that has created Trump’s Chumps.

DP. Aren't the bigger chumps those in FCPS who are alienating once-loyal parents through their misguided priorities and overt hostility towards anyone who dares challenge them?

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Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

Sweetie, they don’t value you or your child more than FCPS. They would however value your money more than FCPS does. And if you fall for that, that your value is what you pay and how elite it makes you feel, you can be manipulated by private schools and many others all day long. It is that exact feeling that has created Trump’s Chumps.

Ok— but FCPS doesn’t value anything about us. If the things we’re looking for, which are kids in classrooms and respect for parents, are only available from institutions which value our money, that money is better spent elsewhere than FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

Sweetie, they don’t value you or your child more than FCPS. They would however value your money more than FCPS does. And if you fall for that, that your value is what you pay and how elite it makes you feel, you can be manipulated by private schools and many others all day long. It is that exact feeling that has created Trump’s Chumps.

DP. Aren't the bigger chumps those in FCPS who are alienating once-loyal parents through their misguided priorities and overt hostility towards anyone who dares challenge them?

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

Sweetie, they don’t value you or your child more than FCPS. They would however value your money more than FCPS does. And if you fall for that, that your value is what you pay and how elite it makes you feel, you can be manipulated by private schools and many others all day long. It is that exact feeling that has created Trump’s Chumps.

You are missing the message. A school that values money will at least give all students what they pay for. FCPS takes tax dollars but only certain special interest groups and pet projects are funded well and everyone else gets overlooked. That is the problem.
-DP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

Why would this be a factor in the argument? The public schools do offer those services so children will still have their needs met.

Sigh. They have to be included with typical kids as well to receive that instruction and if all the typical kids are in charters……. I mean until you get rid of that law too.

So you are angry because other people's Neuro typical kids will not be available in abundance for Neuro divergent kids to use as study guides?

Angry? No, frustrated that clearly the PP doesn’t understand that not all sped kids need to be in an isolated classroom? Yes.

Chair throwers absolutely need a different environment, but does a dyslexic kid? Or the aspie who is a math whiz? No.

Did the PP address any of this? No they just threw out that all sped kids should be locked in a room together. That’s revolting.

I am assuming that IDEA will soon be revoked by people who agree with you. Or people who are so lacking in understanding of what SPED is and how kids who need SPED need more money to do to well to pay for teachers who give specialized instruction. In return for revoking sped kids rights, you should never root or support anyone who has received SPED services, or struggles with a learning disorder.

If you think they should be locked in a room. That means (for example) no Tom Cruise or many pro athletes. If you realize that by speaking in generalizations (all sped kids need to be locked in a room) then STOP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

Why would this be a factor in the argument? The public schools do offer those services so children will still have their needs met.

Sigh. They have to be included with typical kids as well to receive that instruction and if all the typical kids are in charters……. I mean until you get rid of that law too.

So you are angry because other people's Neuro typical kids will not be available in abundance for Neuro divergent kids to use as study guides?

I was a teacher. My DD was in a team taught class in second grade and it was fine. (She was a GT kid.) I am all for mainstreaming. However, I am NOT for the present policy of removing the class when a child with issues cannot control him or herself.
I know teachers who have had to remove the behaving kids more than once a day while a child flails around. That child needs to be removed. It is disruptive to the class and can have a huge impact on all the other kids.

The school system needs some COMMON SENSE.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

Why would this be a factor in the argument? The public schools do offer those services so children will still have their needs met.

Sigh. They have to be included with typical kids as well to receive that instruction and if all the typical kids are in charters……. I mean until you get rid of that law too.

So you are angry because other people's Neuro typical kids will not be available in abundance for Neuro divergent kids to use as study guides?

Angry? No, frustrated that clearly the PP doesn’t understand that not all sped kids need to be in an isolated classroom? Yes.

Chair throwers absolutely need a different environment, but does a dyslexic kid? Or the aspie who is a math whiz? No.

Did the PP address any of this? No they just threw out that all sped kids should be locked in a room together. That’s revolting.

I am assuming that IDEA will soon be revoked by people who agree with you. Or people who are so lacking in understanding of what SPED is and how kids who need SPED need more money to do to well to pay for teachers who give specialized instruction. In return for revoking sped kids rights, you should never root or support anyone who has received SPED services, or struggles with a learning disorder.

If you think they should be locked in a room. That means (for example) no Tom Cruise or many pro athletes. If you realize that by speaking in generalizations (all sped kids need to be locked in a room) then STOP.

I'm not that 'lock them in a room' poster but surely you can understand that other people shouldn't be expected to be happy with their kids being used in this way when there is no benefit to their own education. There are other groups that are disruptive as well and FCPS isnt doing anything to fix it. You can't blame people for leaving the public schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

until the privates raise their tuition by that amount