The voucher effect

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

It makes sense to not moving students currently enrolled in a school and only move them when they get into the next level (MS or HS).

My point is, the unfairness of voucher system is public school has to educate all kind of students and similar requirement should be imposed on charter or private school before they get PUBLIC money. Otherwise they are cherry picking.

The public school is also picking winners and losers. It may not be based on disability but they’re choosing all the same. People from groups not being chosen to win may decide they want to take their business elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see MAGA is back at it.

This. Republicans have demonstrated they don’t care about education, more like the less educated the populace, the better it is for them in terms of election outcomes.

If democrats cared so much FCPS would actually do their job and teach, rather than indoctrinate, children then nobody would need to leave for a better school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see MAGA is back at it.

This. Republicans have demonstrated they don’t care about education, more like the less educated the populace, the better it is for them in terms of election outcomes.

Exactly. And more people have having temper tantrums and joining in because they are angry schools aren’t an app and perfectly attuned to their likes, only serving education in the stream they can handle.

Your own privileged is showing. Big time.

FCPS is very poorly managed and those in charge invariably put their own interests first. You can only do that for so long before people notice and want alternatives.

Not the poster but feel the same. I am hardly from privilege but shocking, absolutely shocking to see all those aligned with Trump and maga because of trans and dei. What world do you want for your kids? I would like plenty of job opportunities, affordable housing and healthcare and clean air and clean water
for mine. I don’t see the R party doing a damn thing to ensure a stable future for my kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems only voucher enthusiastics are vocal on this debate.

I, as a FCPS parent, do not support vouchers. They are not going to solve problems in public education. If you don't like the politics (DEI, empathy, religious neutral) of FCPS, then spend your own money to find the school you like. I support your right to choose but not your right to take the money out.

It’s MY tax money.

How often have you called the fire department or the police? Do you want money back for that too?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see MAGA is back at it.

This. Republicans have demonstrated they don’t care about education, more like the less educated the populace, the better it is for them in terms of election outcomes.

Exactly. And more people have having temper tantrums and joining in because they are angry schools aren’t an app and perfectly attuned to their likes, only serving education in the stream they can handle.

Your own privileged is showing. Big time.

FCPS is very poorly managed and those in charge invariably put their own interests first. You can only do that for so long before people notice and want alternatives.

Not the poster but feel the same. I am hardly from privilege but shocking, absolutely shocking to see all those aligned with Trump and maga because of trans and dei. What world do you want for your kids? I would like plenty of job opportunities, affordable housing and healthcare and clean air and clean water
for mine. I don’t see the R party doing a damn thing to ensure a stable future for my kids.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

Their game is to have public money paying for the private school they are already attending.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

[Anonymous]

Most people just want good, solid public schools that stress academics.

Our Superintendent and School Board are far more concerned about social and political issues. I don't blame anyone who wants to look elsewhere.

Go back to the purpose of schools, and people will not leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

Where is this $13k number coming from?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most people just want good, solid public schools that stress academics.

Our Superintendent and School Board are far more concerned about social and political issues. I don't blame anyone who wants to look elsewhere.

Go back to the purpose of schools, and people will not leave.

You can't separate out the academics from the issues that make it more difficult for a significant number of students to be able to focus on the academics and succeed. Food insecurity, language barriers, transportation issues, abuse, unstable home lives, racism, antisemitism, special needs - these are some of the issues that need to be addressed in public school systems because they are barriers that prevent some students from being able to access and focus on the academics. Not every student shows up to school well-fed, well-rested, clean, in a stable mindset and with a supportive family system. Public schools need to meet kids where they are - not where a group of affluent privileged white people think they should be but aren't.