The voucher effect

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Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

Why would this be a factor in the argument? The public schools do offer those services so children will still have their needs met.

Sigh. They have to be included with typical kids as well to receive that instruction and if all the typical kids are in charters……. I mean until you get rid of that law too.

So you are angry because other people's Neuro typical kids will not be available in abundance for Neuro divergent kids to use as study guides?

Angry? No, frustrated that clearly the PP doesn’t understand that not all sped kids need to be in an isolated classroom? Yes.

Chair throwers absolutely need a different environment, but does a dyslexic kid? Or the aspie who is a math whiz? No.

Did the PP address any of this? No they just threw out that all sped kids should be locked in a room together. That’s revolting.

I am assuming that IDEA will soon be revoked by people who agree with you. Or people who are so lacking in understanding of what SPED is and how kids who need SPED need more money to do to well to pay for teachers who give specialized instruction. In return for revoking sped kids rights, you should never root or support anyone who has received SPED services, or struggles with a learning disorder.

If you think they should be locked in a room. That means (for example) no Tom Cruise or many pro athletes. If you realize that by speaking in generalizations (all sped kids need to be locked in a room) then STOP.

Nobody said anything about locking them in a room you sick freak.

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Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

Sweetie, they don’t value you or your child more than FCPS. They would however value your money more than FCPS does. And if you fall for that, that your value is what you pay and how elite it makes you feel, you can be manipulated by private schools and many others all day long. It is that exact feeling that has created Trump’s Chumps.

DP. Aren't the bigger chumps those in FCPS who are alienating once-loyal parents through their misguided priorities and overt hostility towards anyone who dares challenge them?

No one is bigger than Trump’s chumps because he is federal level. Of course the school board is awful. It was clear in 2023 when this started that it would be a disaster. I wrote to them and said they were shooting FCPS in the foot because this was a HORRIBLE time to attempt this.

But the posters on here arguing for vouchers are just as short sighted as the school board because they cannot answer how vouchers is going to help them with their anger on this and help the community. With a fractured school system (charters, privates etc) everyone’s real estate will tank every more than with the school board policy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

Why would this be a factor in the argument? The public schools do offer those services so children will still have their needs met.

Sigh. They have to be included with typical kids as well to receive that instruction and if all the typical kids are in charters……. I mean until you get rid of that law too.

So you are angry because other people's Neuro typical kids will not be available in abundance for Neuro divergent kids to use as study guides?

Angry? No, frustrated that clearly the PP doesn’t understand that not all sped kids need to be in an isolated classroom? Yes.

Chair throwers absolutely need a different environment, but does a dyslexic kid? Or the aspie who is a math whiz? No.

Did the PP address any of this? No they just threw out that all sped kids should be locked in a room together. That’s revolting.

I am assuming that IDEA will soon be revoked by people who agree with you. Or people who are so lacking in understanding of what SPED is and how kids who need SPED need more money to do to well to pay for teachers who give specialized instruction. In return for revoking sped kids rights, you should never root or support anyone who has received SPED services, or struggles with a learning disorder.

If you think they should be locked in a room. That means (for example) no Tom Cruise or many pro athletes. If you realize that by speaking in generalizations (all sped kids need to be locked in a room) then STOP.

Nobody said anything about locking them in a room you sick freak.

Geez, I”m not a sick freak, I’m arguing against it and yes, a post had that written. I guess it has been deleted, which is good. You can delete mine too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

Sweetie, they don’t value you or your child more than FCPS. They would however value your money more than FCPS does. And if you fall for that, that your value is what you pay and how elite it makes you feel, you can be manipulated by private schools and many others all day long. It is that exact feeling that has created Trump’s Chumps.

DP. Aren't the bigger chumps those in FCPS who are alienating once-loyal parents through their misguided priorities and overt hostility towards anyone who dares challenge them?

No one is bigger than Trump’s chumps because he is federal level. Of course the school board is awful. It was clear in 2023 when this started that it would be a disaster. I wrote to them and said they were shooting FCPS in the foot because this was a HORRIBLE time to attempt this.

But the posters on here arguing for vouchers are just as short sighted as the school board because they cannot answer how vouchers is going to help them with their anger on this and help the community. With a fractured school system (charters, privates etc) everyone’s real estate will tank every more than with the school board policy.

Are you drunk already?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

Why would this be a factor in the argument? The public schools do offer those services so children will still have their needs met.

Sigh. They have to be included with typical kids as well to receive that instruction and if all the typical kids are in charters……. I mean until you get rid of that law too.

So you are angry because other people's Neuro typical kids will not be available in abundance for Neuro divergent kids to use as study guides?

Angry? No, frustrated that clearly the PP doesn’t understand that not all sped kids need to be in an isolated classroom? Yes.

Chair throwers absolutely need a different environment, but does a dyslexic kid? Or the aspie who is a math whiz? No.

Did the PP address any of this? No they just threw out that all sped kids should be locked in a room together. That’s revolting.

I am assuming that IDEA will soon be revoked by people who agree with you. Or people who are so lacking in understanding of what SPED is and how kids who need SPED need more money to do to well to pay for teachers who give specialized instruction. In return for revoking sped kids rights, you should never root or support anyone who has received SPED services, or struggles with a learning disorder.

If you think they should be locked in a room. That means (for example) no Tom Cruise or many pro athletes. If you realize that by speaking in generalizations (all sped kids need to be locked in a room) then STOP.

I'm not that 'lock them in a room' poster but surely you can understand that other people shouldn't be expected to be happy with their kids being used in this way when there is no benefit to their own education. There are other groups that are disruptive as well and FCPS isnt doing anything to fix it. You can't blame people for leaving the public schools.

Yes, and that is why I included the statement “chair throwers need a different environment”
Leaving the schools is different than destroying the system with vouchers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

Sweetie, they don’t value you or your child more than FCPS. They would however value your money more than FCPS does. And if you fall for that, that your value is what you pay and how elite it makes you feel, you can be manipulated by private schools and many others all day long. It is that exact feeling that has created Trump’s Chumps.

DP. Aren't the bigger chumps those in FCPS who are alienating once-loyal parents through their misguided priorities and overt hostility towards anyone who dares challenge them?

No one is bigger than Trump’s chumps because he is federal level. Of course the school board is awful. It was clear in 2023 when this started that it would be a disaster. I wrote to them and said they were shooting FCPS in the foot because this was a HORRIBLE time to attempt this.

But the posters on here arguing for vouchers are just as short sighted as the school board because they cannot answer how vouchers is going to help them with their anger on this and help the community. With a fractured school system (charters, privates etc) everyone’s real estate will tank every more than with the school board policy.

Are you drunk already?

Did the school system play no role in why you bought in Fairfax? With a school system like DCPS, would you still have bought it? If you knew you had to drive across the county to attend the charter school your lotteried into, would you be happy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

Sweetie, they don’t value you or your child more than FCPS. They would however value your money more than FCPS does. And if you fall for that, that your value is what you pay and how elite it makes you feel, you can be manipulated by private schools and many others all day long. It is that exact feeling that has created Trump’s Chumps.

DP. Aren't the bigger chumps those in FCPS who are alienating once-loyal parents through their misguided priorities and overt hostility towards anyone who dares challenge them?

No one is bigger than Trump’s chumps because he is federal level. Of course the school board is awful. It was clear in 2023 when this started that it would be a disaster. I wrote to them and said they were shooting FCPS in the foot because this was a HORRIBLE time to attempt this.

But the posters on here arguing for vouchers are just as short sighted as the school board because they cannot answer how vouchers is going to help them with their anger on this and help the community. With a fractured school system (charters, privates etc) everyone’s real estate will tank every more than with the school board policy.

I suspect most of these people don't really want vouchers, but believe that a threat to defund FCPS is about the only thing that might cause some of those currently running FCPS to re-examine their behavior and priorities.

Of course, that threat has to be viable, but when you've got both the Federal government and various state officials lining up behind expanded vouchers, it has more teeth than it would have if it were just the pipe dream of a DCUM poster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

Sweetie, they don’t value you or your child more than FCPS. They would however value your money more than FCPS does. And if you fall for that, that your value is what you pay and how elite it makes you feel, you can be manipulated by private schools and many others all day long. It is that exact feeling that has created Trump’s Chumps.

DP. Aren't the bigger chumps those in FCPS who are alienating once-loyal parents through their misguided priorities and overt hostility towards anyone who dares challenge them?

No one is bigger than Trump’s chumps because he is federal level. Of course the school board is awful. It was clear in 2023 when this started that it would be a disaster. I wrote to them and said they were shooting FCPS in the foot because this was a HORRIBLE time to attempt this.

But the posters on here arguing for vouchers are just as short sighted as the school board because they cannot answer how vouchers is going to help them with their anger on this and help the community. With a fractured school system (charters, privates etc) everyone’s real estate will tank every more than with the school board policy.

It would help by giving us better access to schools that keep children in classrooms for instruction, and have schedules and policies that respect parents. Is that mostly clear?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

until the privates raise their tuition by that amount

Maybe I missed it, but where is this $13k number coming from? Our household pays about $8k a year in property taxes to the county. I know that the county spends a little more than half of their budget on the school system. FCPS gets a much smaller percentage from the state and an even smaller percentage from the feds. It seems to me a voucher would be less than $13k.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

Sweetie, they don’t value you or your child more than FCPS. They would however value your money more than FCPS does. And if you fall for that, that your value is what you pay and how elite it makes you feel, you can be manipulated by private schools and many others all day long. It is that exact feeling that has created Trump’s Chumps.

DP. Aren't the bigger chumps those in FCPS who are alienating once-loyal parents through their misguided priorities and overt hostility towards anyone who dares challenge them?

No one is bigger than Trump’s chumps because he is federal level. Of course the school board is awful. It was clear in 2023 when this started that it would be a disaster. I wrote to them and said they were shooting FCPS in the foot because this was a HORRIBLE time to attempt this.

But the posters on here arguing for vouchers are just as short sighted as the school board because they cannot answer how vouchers is going to help them with their anger on this and help the community. With a fractured school system (charters, privates etc) everyone’s real estate will tank every more than with the school board policy.

I suspect most of these people don't really want vouchers, but believe that a threat to defund FCPS is about the only thing that might cause some of those currently running FCPS to re-examine their behavior and priorities.

Of course, that threat has to be viable, but when you've got both the Federal government and various state officials lining up behind expanded vouchers, it has more teeth than it would have if it were just the pipe dream of a DCUM poster.

That’s why I posted the link to wapo. This ain’t some pipe dream, there is now a mechanism in place for vouchers at the federal level. FCPS has a limited window to right the ship, starting with halting the boundary change nonsense.

I also find it humorous that some posters think that because there aren’t enough private school options now that there won’t be in a few years. And btw, we aren’t sending our kids private now, so it’s also not a money grab as some posters claim but frankly vouchers get more and more appealing as we hear more about the SB’s plans.

I wish I could just support a school system that cared about all kids including my kids rather than them viewing my kids as a resource to be deployed to help other kids achieve some minimal benchmark.

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Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

Sweetie, they don’t value you or your child more than FCPS. They would however value your money more than FCPS does. And if you fall for that, that your value is what you pay and how elite it makes you feel, you can be manipulated by private schools and many others all day long. It is that exact feeling that has created Trump’s Chumps.

DP. Aren't the bigger chumps those in FCPS who are alienating once-loyal parents through their misguided priorities and overt hostility towards anyone who dares challenge them?

No one is bigger than Trump’s chumps because he is federal level. Of course the school board is awful. It was clear in 2023 when this started that it would be a disaster. I wrote to them and said they were shooting FCPS in the foot because this was a HORRIBLE time to attempt this.

But the posters on here arguing for vouchers are just as short sighted as the school board because they cannot answer how vouchers is going to help them with their anger on this and help the community. With a fractured school system (charters, privates etc) everyone’s real estate will tank every more than with the school board policy.

It would help by giving us better access to schools that keep children in classrooms for instruction, and have schedules and policies that respect parents. Is that mostly clear?

I’m sorry. No private school worth its weight is going to be opening its doors to FCPS refugees with vouchers in hand. You are being optimistic.

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Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

Sweetie, they don’t value you or your child more than FCPS. They would however value your money more than FCPS does. And if you fall for that, that your value is what you pay and how elite it makes you feel, you can be manipulated by private schools and many others all day long. It is that exact feeling that has created Trump’s Chumps.

DP. Aren't the bigger chumps those in FCPS who are alienating once-loyal parents through their misguided priorities and overt hostility towards anyone who dares challenge them?

No one is bigger than Trump’s chumps because he is federal level. Of course the school board is awful. It was clear in 2023 when this started that it would be a disaster. I wrote to them and said they were shooting FCPS in the foot because this was a HORRIBLE time to attempt this.

But the posters on here arguing for vouchers are just as short sighted as the school board because they cannot answer how vouchers is going to help them with their anger on this and help the community. With a fractured school system (charters, privates etc) everyone’s real estate will tank every more than with the school board policy.

It would help by giving us better access to schools that keep children in classrooms for instruction, and have schedules and policies that respect parents. Is that mostly clear?

I’m sorry. No private school worth its weight is going to be opening its doors to FCPS refugees with vouchers in hand. You are being optimistic.

What’s the alternative? Blind support for a system which doesn’t value parents?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

Sweetie, they don’t value you or your child more than FCPS. They would however value your money more than FCPS does. And if you fall for that, that your value is what you pay and how elite it makes you feel, you can be manipulated by private schools and many others all day long. It is that exact feeling that has created Trump’s Chumps.

DP. Aren't the bigger chumps those in FCPS who are alienating once-loyal parents through their misguided priorities and overt hostility towards anyone who dares challenge them?

No one is bigger than Trump’s chumps because he is federal level. Of course the school board is awful. It was clear in 2023 when this started that it would be a disaster. I wrote to them and said they were shooting FCPS in the foot because this was a HORRIBLE time to attempt this.

But the posters on here arguing for vouchers are just as short sighted as the school board because they cannot answer how vouchers is going to help them with their anger on this and help the community. With a fractured school system (charters, privates etc) everyone’s real estate will tank every more than with the school board policy.

It would help by giving us better access to schools that keep children in classrooms for instruction, and have schedules and policies that respect parents. Is that mostly clear?

I’m sorry. No private school worth its weight is going to be opening its doors to FCPS refugees with vouchers in hand. You are being optimistic.

What’s the alternative? Blind support for a system which doesn’t value parents?

You can smell those who aren't at risk of unnecessary redistricting and are zoned for schools that haven't been shortchanged by the FCPS powers-that-be. It kind of reeks.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the voucher system say the private school HAVE TO accept disabled and differently abled students?

Thought so.

While you might be right, I think you’re missing the broader point that parents are going to look out for their own kids first. Only after that will you get altruism.

Look no further than the boundary change proponent who argued first for her kid not to be moved.

This comment illustrates exactly why vouchers should not exist. Because it only benefits children who have parents who are in a position - financially or logistically - to opt out of the public school system and into a private system. And all of those children who do not have parents of privilege who can facilitate this are left in a deteriorating public school system with fewer resources and less opportunity.

People who are not altruistic until their kids are taken care of will never become altruistic.

Your second paragraph is BS. I’ve gladly supported public schools and even more money going to schools that need it. But when the school board wants to use my kid as their resource, that’s where they’ve lost me.

I get you want to villainize those who care about their own kids more than the collective, but you’re really out of the mainstream. If you disagree with that point, drive through the liberal bastion of Timber Lane and see what those yard signs tell you.

Explain how vouchers will help you and your kid? What is your projection that in 3 years, an amazing charters will acquire acres of land that magically have a built school ready for kids with certified teachers? That can’t be it, that just happened to FCPS without vouchers.

What are you looking for that you think 13K will help you find. Keep in mind there will be over 100K other families who will be competing with you.

DP but there are already very decent private options in the FCPS area, that a $13,000 discount on would be significant.

And you assume YOUR kid will be the one to get the spot over the 100K others? Kay.

Yes, because within that “100,000” are kids who are better served by public schools, kids who don’t ideologically align with a particular private school, and parents for whom the rest of the bill would still be too steep a barrier.

Just not YOUR kids will be better served by public schools because you don’t. I’m sorry, but there WILL be increased competition for the slots. And because of that competition, tuition rates will rise and in order to keep the riff raff out. For example, donations will be expected. The more you donate over 13k, the higher your chances your kid will be accepted.

Not for ALL privates of course, you can always go to the other ones.

And this is what you think is best for your kids.

Sure we could still be priced out. But we could also be in a school which valued us more than FCPS does.

Sweetie, they don’t value you or your child more than FCPS. They would however value your money more than FCPS does. And if you fall for that, that your value is what you pay and how elite it makes you feel, you can be manipulated by private schools and many others all day long. It is that exact feeling that has created Trump’s Chumps.

DP. Aren't the bigger chumps those in FCPS who are alienating once-loyal parents through their misguided priorities and overt hostility towards anyone who dares challenge them?

No one is bigger than Trump’s chumps because he is federal level. Of course the school board is awful. It was clear in 2023 when this started that it would be a disaster. I wrote to them and said they were shooting FCPS in the foot because this was a HORRIBLE time to attempt this.

But the posters on here arguing for vouchers are just as short sighted as the school board because they cannot answer how vouchers is going to help them with their anger on this and help the community. With a fractured school system (charters, privates etc) everyone’s real estate will tank every more than with the school board policy.

It would help by giving us better access to schools that keep children in classrooms for instruction, and have schedules and policies that respect parents. Is that mostly clear?

I’m sorry. No private school worth its weight is going to be opening its doors to FCPS refugees with vouchers in hand. You are being optimistic.

What’s the alternative? Blind support for a system which doesn’t value parents?

You can smell those who aren't at risk of unnecessary redistricting and are zoned for schools that haven't been shortchanged by the FCPS powers-that-be. It kind of reeks.

And the school board shills who will do their bidding for them too.

[Anonymous]

I find it fascinating that every time I call out a certain someone on this board, that individual gets the post deleted. That's all I need to know about who it is that is posting all these election year threads. By getting those posts deleted, you're confirming it's you.