Should minorities carry their passports/identification?

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Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Yet.
You honestly don’t see it coming?
Noem left the thing about her dog killing in the book to show she was willing to do the “difficult, messy, ugly” things. It won’t be too long before those swarms will be happening to appease trump of miller and shoulders will be shrugged because sometimes “difficult, messy, ugly” things have be done to meet quotas. Collateral damage be damned.

Look, I am not a Trump voter or an apologist. I still do not think the fears you are mentioning are that credible. The administration is not going to start stopping random people in the streets and setting up Soviet-style checkpoints for passport checks.

The raids and arrests have targeted non-citizens who are in the US without authorization or stable immigration status and yes, have included the collateral damage of detaining or causing headaches for some US citizens present at the time of arrest. I expect that will continue. Again, these raids are not being executed well and in some cases raise due process issues, but the administration is not targeting US citizens. I don’t believe they will.

DP
Let’s assume OP is in a restaurant eating and ICE officers raided the restaurant and started asking for documentation ?
Is she going to say I am American citizen with heavy accent and they will let her go?

Some bystanders in the company of known illegal aliens may be questioned and forced to prove citizenship during ICE raids but ICE isn't just going in to restaurants and questioning random people without probable cause. Raids can be unnecessarily ugly in some cases thanks to the direction of our awful POTUS but they aren't random. They are looking for particular people. I wouldn't advise hanging out with illegal aliens that are known criminals even if you have full citizenship because you'd be asking for harassment in that case.

But they do.
There are a lot of stories of collateral damage.
My restaurant story is not far fetched.

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Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Yet.
You honestly don’t see it coming?
Noem left the thing about her dog killing in the book to show she was willing to do the “difficult, messy, ugly” things. It won’t be too long before those swarms will be happening to appease trump of miller and shoulders will be shrugged because sometimes “difficult, messy, ugly” things have be done to meet quotas. Collateral damage be damned.

Look, I am not a Trump voter or an apologist. I still do not think the fears you are mentioning are that credible. The administration is not going to start stopping random people in the streets and setting up Soviet-style checkpoints for passport checks.

The raids and arrests have targeted non-citizens who are in the US without authorization or stable immigration status and yes, have included the collateral damage of detaining or causing headaches for some US citizens present at the time of arrest. I expect that will continue. Again, these raids are not being executed well and in some cases raise due process issues, but the administration is not targeting US citizens. I don’t believe they will.

Turn on your TV and watch the senior senator in California being arrested by ICE. You are naive. This is not about immigration. This is a power grab by a dictator.

"The incident happened shortly after Noem said the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) "is staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into this city.""

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrat-sen...ems-press-conference

Wow this is scary. There will be no election in this country.

Meanwhile, as you are fear mongering, Dems have been kicking ass in elections left and right in recent weeks. Get your head out of the sand, fruitcake.

https://www.gelliottmorris.com/p/democrats-won-more-special-elections

Oh look the propagandist is at it again. There will be no election. Trump will cancel them and declare martial law and send ICE to arrest democratic officials. It’s over.

This country doesn't need idiots like you. Go away. The rest of us will be issuing a referendum in Trump in 2028 just like we did in 2020.

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Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Yet.
You honestly don’t see it coming?
Noem left the thing about her dog killing in the book to show she was willing to do the “difficult, messy, ugly” things. It won’t be too long before those swarms will be happening to appease trump of miller and shoulders will be shrugged because sometimes “difficult, messy, ugly” things have be done to meet quotas. Collateral damage be damned.

Look, I am not a Trump voter or an apologist. I still do not think the fears you are mentioning are that credible. The administration is not going to start stopping random people in the streets and setting up Soviet-style checkpoints for passport checks.

The raids and arrests have targeted non-citizens who are in the US without authorization or stable immigration status and yes, have included the collateral damage of detaining or causing headaches for some US citizens present at the time of arrest. I expect that will continue. Again, these raids are not being executed well and in some cases raise due process issues, but the administration is not targeting US citizens. I don’t believe they will.

DP
Let’s assume OP is in a restaurant eating and ICE officers raided the restaurant and started asking for documentation ?
Is she going to say I am American citizen with heavy accent and they will let her go?

Some bystanders in the company of known illegal aliens may be questioned and forced to prove citizenship during ICE raids but ICE isn't just going in to restaurants and questioning random people without probable cause. Raids can be unnecessarily ugly in some cases thanks to the direction of our awful POTUS but they aren't random. They are looking for particular people. I wouldn't advise hanging out with illegal aliens that are known criminals even if you have full citizenship because you'd be asking for harassment in that case.

But they do.
There are a lot of stories of collateral damage.
My restaurant story is not far fetched.

No, they don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Talking with some friends (who are all minorities) and they said they have taken to carrying their passport cards and other identification with them at all times. I usually carry my drivers license but that doesn’t show place of birth. Should I carry my passport just in case?

I am nervous because I was not born here but am a naturalized citizen. I am out with my kids alone a lot. I sincerely cannot imagine what would happen if ICE took me and just left my young kids to fend for themselves.

Everyone should. In Europe they do.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm taking my son and his friend to Busch Gardens this weekend and the friend's mom let me know that he'll have his passport with him in a waterproof lanyard. Like the kind people buy for their cellphones. She said she's had both of her kids carry theirs daily in lanyards.

She asked if I was having my son carry his...and I haven't been, but maybe I should. We are of Italian heritage, so he's got the olive complexion and dark hair.

So sad that this is now America. The kids were born here! Their parents were born here!

My complexion is fair. I carry my passport. Who cares what I do?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm taking my son and his friend to Busch Gardens this weekend and the friend's mom let me know that he'll have his passport with him in a waterproof lanyard. Like the kind people buy for their cellphones. She said she's had both of her kids carry theirs daily in lanyards.

She asked if I was having my son carry his...and I haven't been, but maybe I should. We are of Italian heritage, so he's got the olive complexion and dark hair.

So sad that this is now America. The kids were born here! Their parents were born here!

My complexion is fair. I carry my passport. Who cares what I do?

I have bushy eyebrows and hair sprouting from ears like crazy. I'm toast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m getting my Real ID next month, so I figure that should be good enough when I’m out shopping etc. Maybe I’ll take a video of my passport since I usually have my phone on me and don’t carry my wallet if I’m just walking in the neighborhood.

Real ID doesn't prove citizenship.

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Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Coming soon to a neighborhood block near you. This is happening people, unless the public draws a red line and says absolutely not. If ICE wants to get warrants and target specific people, then I am all for it. But when we are at the point where an exchange like this is taking place that people have to carry papers, we are no longer the USA.

I disagree that this is happening or imminent. I’m not denying that they’re conducting aggressive immigration raids, I’m saying that I don’t think we’re anywhere near a point that random American citizens are going to be targeted in the streets by ICE and should be carrying proof of citizenship as a proactive measure. I think that is hysteria.

When are you people going to wake up? Here’s ICE literally telling people planning on attending a soccer game that they should have papers on them.

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Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Yet.
You honestly don’t see it coming?
Noem left the thing about her dog killing in the book to show she was willing to do the “difficult, messy, ugly” things. It won’t be too long before those swarms will be happening to appease trump of miller and shoulders will be shrugged because sometimes “difficult, messy, ugly” things have be done to meet quotas. Collateral damage be damned.

Look, I am not a Trump voter or an apologist. I still do not think the fears you are mentioning are that credible. The administration is not going to start stopping random people in the streets and setting up Soviet-style checkpoints for passport checks.

The raids and arrests have targeted non-citizens who are in the US without authorization or stable immigration status and yes, have included the collateral damage of detaining or causing headaches for some US citizens present at the time of arrest. I expect that will continue. Again, these raids are not being executed well and in some cases raise due process issues, but the administration is not targeting US citizens. I don’t believe they will.

DP
Let’s assume OP is in a restaurant eating and ICE officers raided the restaurant and started asking for documentation ?
Is she going to say I am American citizen with heavy accent and they will let her go?

Some bystanders in the company of known illegal aliens may be questioned and forced to prove citizenship during ICE raids but ICE isn't just going in to restaurants and questioning random people without probable cause. Raids can be unnecessarily ugly in some cases thanks to the direction of our awful POTUS but they aren't random. They are looking for particular people. I wouldn't advise hanging out with illegal aliens that are known criminals even if you have full citizenship because you'd be asking for harassment in that case.

But they do.
There are a lot of stories of collateral damage.
My restaurant story is not far fetched.

Please provide evidence that this is happening on a large/systemic scale - news stories from verified outlets are fine. I have not seen or read about this happening.

I think I’m the PP that you’re posing the hypothetical to and I’m a natural born US citizen from Bethesda. I am quite (I guess you can never be 100%) sure that ICE is not going to round me up randomly at a restaurant because I am “brown looking” and send me to a facility in Louisiana for deportation. Again, there is no evidence that this is happening on a systemic basis or that there are plans to do so. My parents are immigrants (naturalized citizens) with accents and I am not concerned for their safety either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Yet.
You honestly don’t see it coming?
Noem left the thing about her dog killing in the book to show she was willing to do the “difficult, messy, ugly” things. It won’t be too long before those swarms will be happening to appease trump of miller and shoulders will be shrugged because sometimes “difficult, messy, ugly” things have be done to meet quotas. Collateral damage be damned.

Look, I am not a Trump voter or an apologist. I still do not think the fears you are mentioning are that credible. The administration is not going to start stopping random people in the streets and setting up Soviet-style checkpoints for passport checks.

The raids and arrests have targeted non-citizens who are in the US without authorization or stable immigration status and yes, have included the collateral damage of detaining or causing headaches for some US citizens present at the time of arrest. I expect that will continue. Again, these raids are not being executed well and in some cases raise due process issues, but the administration is not targeting US citizens. I don’t believe they will.

DP
Let’s assume OP is in a restaurant eating and ICE officers raided the restaurant and started asking for documentation ?
Is she going to say I am American citizen with heavy accent and they will let her go?

Some bystanders in the company of known illegal aliens may be questioned and forced to prove citizenship during ICE raids but ICE isn't just going in to restaurants and questioning random people without probable cause. Raids can be unnecessarily ugly in some cases thanks to the direction of our awful POTUS but they aren't random. They are looking for particular people. I wouldn't advise hanging out with illegal aliens that are known criminals even if you have full citizenship because you'd be asking for harassment in that case.

But they do.
There are a lot of stories of collateral damage.
My restaurant story is not far fetched.

Please provide evidence that this is happening on a large/systemic scale - news stories from verified outlets are fine. I have not seen or read about this happening.

I think I’m the PP that you’re posing the hypothetical to and I’m a natural born US citizen from Bethesda. I am quite (I guess you can never be 100%) sure that ICE is not going to round me up randomly at a restaurant because I am “brown looking” and send me to a facility in Louisiana for deportation. Again, there is no evidence that this is happening on a systemic basis or that there are plans to do so. My parents are immigrants (naturalized citizens) with accents and I am not concerned for their safety either.

Denaturalization is listed in Project 2025.

On May 1, during a Judiciary Committee meeting, congressional Democrats proposed an amendment to the budget bill that would preclude ICE from using the many millions of additional dollars that the Republicans are allocating for immigration enforcement to be used to deport or detain any US citizen. House Republicans refused to allow the amendment.

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If you carry your passport everywhere you go, are any of you more concerned about it getting lost or stolen than you actually needing it? I’m asking as a serious question. That would be my concern with having my passport on me everywhere, but I’ve lost my license more than once.

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Anonymous wrote:If you carry your passport everywhere you go, are any of you more concerned about it getting lost or stolen than you actually needing it? I’m asking as a serious question. That would be my concern with having my passport on me everywhere, but I’ve lost my license more than once.

I only carry my passport with me when traveling overseas just as any other normal sane person on Earth does. What are y'all smoking?

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Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

I’m not crazy about the term either — but I do recognize that some of us are treated differently vs others, especially by law enforcement, and that can make a difference in terms of both safety, and the likelihood that “the law” and those enforcing it will be at least somewhat neutral, or even somewhat protective. Perhaps being a lawyer yourself gives you some sense of protection as well?

When I lived in NYC, I, too, walked around without ID, as I have throughout my life in DC. The current Trump/Miller/ICE administration has changed that for me. I don’t expect a piece of paper to necessarily save me, but it’s truly not hysterical to understand that police and ICE may treat me very differently from the way they’d treat someone white, blonde, and apparently the right kind of American. I’m old enough to remember what happened to the now-exonerated Central Park Five — thanks in large part to the EO happy guy in the White House.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m getting my Real ID next month, so I figure that should be good enough when I’m out shopping etc. Maybe I’ll take a video of my passport since I usually have my phone on me and don’t carry my wallet if I’m just walking in the neighborhood.

Real ID doesn't prove citizenship.

If that is true then that means the average American citizen has absolutely no way to protect themselves against a random ICE raid where they could scoop anyone up and claim they are here illegally, detain you, send you off to some black site in South Sudan, or central America or Djibouti. Anyone.

This is Trump's America.

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Anonymous wrote:I always carry ID. Female WASP. Exception would be walking in the neighborhood.

And, when I lived and worked overseas, I always carried my passport.

+1

They run your ID and if it’s up to date, accurate and matches your face and other IDs, yours all set.

If they run it and it’s fake that’s illegal and you can get fined, confiscated, jailed and more.

As an American, or someone visiting, there should never be a situation where I am stopped without cause to have an ID run. Do you see how absurd this is?

“Without cause”. You do realize who decides what “cause” is in the heat of the moment though, right? DP