Should minorities carry their passports/identification?

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Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Coming soon to a neighborhood block near you. This is happening people, unless the public draws a red line and says absolutely not. If ICE wants to get warrants and target specific people, then I am all for it. But when we are at the point where an exchange like this is taking place that people have to carry papers, we are no longer the USA.

I disagree that this is happening or imminent. I’m not denying that they’re conducting aggressive immigration raids, I’m saying that I don’t think we’re anywhere near a point that random American citizens are going to be targeted in the streets by ICE and should be carrying proof of citizenship as a proactive measure. I think that is hysteria.

I agree for the most part but it's obviously possible for those with legal residency in the US to be inconvenienced by having to show proof of legal status if they are with undocumented aliens when a raid occurs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Yet.
You honestly don’t see it coming?
Noem left the thing about her dog killing in the book to show she was willing to do the “difficult, messy, ugly” things. It won’t be too long before those swarms will be happening to appease trump of miller and shoulders will be shrugged because sometimes “difficult, messy, ugly” things have be done to meet quotas. Collateral damage be damned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Coming soon to a neighborhood block near you. This is happening people, unless the public draws a red line and says absolutely not. If ICE wants to get warrants and target specific people, then I am all for it. But when we are at the point where an exchange like this is taking place that people have to carry papers, we are no longer the USA.

I disagree that this is happening or imminent. I’m not denying that they’re conducting aggressive immigration raids, I’m saying that I don’t think we’re anywhere near a point that random American citizens are going to be targeted in the streets by ICE and should be carrying proof of citizenship as a proactive measure. I think that is hysteria.

I agree for the most part but it's obviously possible for those with legal residency in the US to be inconvenienced by having to show proof of legal status if they are with undocumented aliens when a raid occurs.

How do you know if someone is legal or undocumented by their looks?

[Anonymous]

I think it will be a problem if you live in or frequently visit high immigrant population areas or work with a lot of immigrants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Coming soon to a neighborhood block near you. This is happening people, unless the public draws a red line and says absolutely not. If ICE wants to get warrants and target specific people, then I am all for it. But when we are at the point where an exchange like this is taking place that people have to carry papers, we are no longer the USA.

I disagree that this is happening or imminent. I’m not denying that they’re conducting aggressive immigration raids, I’m saying that I don’t think we’re anywhere near a point that random American citizens are going to be targeted in the streets by ICE and should be carrying proof of citizenship as a proactive measure. I think that is hysteria.

I agree for the most part but it's obviously possible for those with legal residency in the US to be inconvenienced by having to show proof of legal status if they are with undocumented aliens when a raid occurs.

Yeah, this is possible. I don’t think this is an issue of such people being systematically targeted and demanded to show papers though, which is what I am talking about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Yet.
You honestly don’t see it coming?
Noem left the thing about her dog killing in the book to show she was willing to do the “difficult, messy, ugly” things. It won’t be too long before those swarms will be happening to appease trump of miller and shoulders will be shrugged because sometimes “difficult, messy, ugly” things have be done to meet quotas. Collateral damage be damned.

Look, I am not a Trump voter or an apologist. I still do not think the fears you are mentioning are that credible. The administration is not going to start stopping random people in the streets and setting up Soviet-style checkpoints for passport checks.

The raids and arrests have targeted non-citizens who are in the US without authorization or stable immigration status and yes, have included the collateral damage of detaining or causing headaches for some US citizens present at the time of arrest. I expect that will continue. Again, these raids are not being executed well and in some cases raise due process issues, but the administration is not targeting US citizens. I don’t believe they will.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone leave home without identification?

I always take ID.

If you routinely leave home without ID, why?

If you get in an accident, have a medical emergency, or are a victim of a crime, why do you not want to have your ID with you?

If you don’t, why not? You want to be unable to be identified and unable to have authorities contact your loved ones?

Because I go for walks and runs, I bike places. I don't need ID unless I am driving or getting on an airplane. This is the effing USA, not soviet Russia.

So if you get hit by a car, or have a heart attack, while walking or running or biking, how do you expect the hospital to contact your loved ones?

They won’t know who you are and you could be unconscious, in a coma, etc.

A runner's ID bracelet is more practical for those purposes. You could be separated from your wallet in a bike or pedestrian accident.

[Anonymous]

A real id is not proof of citizenship. Passport.
There are many instances where you may be pulled over for speeding or similar and they want to confirm your citizenship. If you can’t, you get detained. It’s been happening for decades. It’s not unusual in some states for law enforcement to check immigration status under specific circumstances (like having "reasonable suspicion" of unlawful presence or after a lawful arrest).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Yet.
You honestly don’t see it coming?
Noem left the thing about her dog killing in the book to show she was willing to do the “difficult, messy, ugly” things. It won’t be too long before those swarms will be happening to appease trump of miller and shoulders will be shrugged because sometimes “difficult, messy, ugly” things have be done to meet quotas. Collateral damage be damned.

Look, I am not a Trump voter or an apologist. I still do not think the fears you are mentioning are that credible. The administration is not going to start stopping random people in the streets and setting up Soviet-style checkpoints for passport checks.

The raids and arrests have targeted non-citizens who are in the US without authorization or stable immigration status and yes, have included the collateral damage of detaining or causing headaches for some US citizens present at the time of arrest. I expect that will continue. Again, these raids are not being executed well and in some cases raise due process issues, but the administration is not targeting US citizens. I don’t believe they will.

Your fingers to god’s ears then. Hope is a hell of drug.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Yet.
You honestly don’t see it coming?
Noem left the thing about her dog killing in the book to show she was willing to do the “difficult, messy, ugly” things. It won’t be too long before those swarms will be happening to appease trump of miller and shoulders will be shrugged because sometimes “difficult, messy, ugly” things have be done to meet quotas. Collateral damage be damned.

Look, I am not a Trump voter or an apologist. I still do not think the fears you are mentioning are that credible. The administration is not going to start stopping random people in the streets and setting up Soviet-style checkpoints for passport checks.

The raids and arrests have targeted non-citizens who are in the US without authorization or stable immigration status and yes, have included the collateral damage of detaining or causing headaches for some US citizens present at the time of arrest. I expect that will continue. Again, these raids are not being executed well and in some cases raise due process issues, but the administration is not targeting US citizens. I don’t believe they will.

DP
Let’s assume OP is in a restaurant eating and ICE officers raided the restaurant and started asking for documentation ?
Is she going to say I am American citizen with heavy accent and they will let her go?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Yet.
You honestly don’t see it coming?
Noem left the thing about her dog killing in the book to show she was willing to do the “difficult, messy, ugly” things. It won’t be too long before those swarms will be happening to appease trump of miller and shoulders will be shrugged because sometimes “difficult, messy, ugly” things have be done to meet quotas. Collateral damage be damned.

Look, I am not a Trump voter or an apologist. I still do not think the fears you are mentioning are that credible. The administration is not going to start stopping random people in the streets and setting up Soviet-style checkpoints for passport checks.

The raids and arrests have targeted non-citizens who are in the US without authorization or stable immigration status and yes, have included the collateral damage of detaining or causing headaches for some US citizens present at the time of arrest. I expect that will continue. Again, these raids are not being executed well and in some cases raise due process issues, but the administration is not targeting US citizens. I don’t believe they will.

DP
Let’s assume OP is in a restaurant eating and ICE officers raided the restaurant and started asking for documentation ?
Is she going to say I am American citizen with heavy accent and they will let her go?

Some bystanders in the company of known illegal aliens may be questioned and forced to prove citizenship during ICE raids but ICE isn't just going in to restaurants and questioning random people without probable cause. Raids can be unnecessarily ugly in some cases thanks to the direction of our awful POTUS but they aren't random. They are looking for particular people. I wouldn't advise hanging out with illegal aliens that are known criminals even if you have full citizenship because you'd be asking for harassment in that case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Yet.
You honestly don’t see it coming?
Noem left the thing about her dog killing in the book to show she was willing to do the “difficult, messy, ugly” things. It won’t be too long before those swarms will be happening to appease trump of miller and shoulders will be shrugged because sometimes “difficult, messy, ugly” things have be done to meet quotas. Collateral damage be damned.

Look, I am not a Trump voter or an apologist. I still do not think the fears you are mentioning are that credible. The administration is not going to start stopping random people in the streets and setting up Soviet-style checkpoints for passport checks.

The raids and arrests have targeted non-citizens who are in the US without authorization or stable immigration status and yes, have included the collateral damage of detaining or causing headaches for some US citizens present at the time of arrest. I expect that will continue. Again, these raids are not being executed well and in some cases raise due process issues, but the administration is not targeting US citizens. I don’t believe they will.

Turn on your TV and watch the senior senator in California being arrested by ICE. You are naive. This is not about immigration. This is a power grab by a dictator.

"The incident happened shortly after Noem said the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) "is staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into this city.""

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrat-sen...ems-press-conference

Wow this is scary. There will be no election in this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Yet.
You honestly don’t see it coming?
Noem left the thing about her dog killing in the book to show she was willing to do the “difficult, messy, ugly” things. It won’t be too long before those swarms will be happening to appease trump of miller and shoulders will be shrugged because sometimes “difficult, messy, ugly” things have be done to meet quotas. Collateral damage be damned.

Look, I am not a Trump voter or an apologist. I still do not think the fears you are mentioning are that credible. The administration is not going to start stopping random people in the streets and setting up Soviet-style checkpoints for passport checks.

The raids and arrests have targeted non-citizens who are in the US without authorization or stable immigration status and yes, have included the collateral damage of detaining or causing headaches for some US citizens present at the time of arrest. I expect that will continue. Again, these raids are not being executed well and in some cases raise due process issues, but the administration is not targeting US citizens. I don’t believe they will.

DP
Let’s assume OP is in a restaurant eating and ICE officers raided the restaurant and started asking for documentation ?
Is she going to say I am American citizen with heavy accent and they will let her go?

Some bystanders in the company of known illegal aliens may be questioned and forced to prove citizenship during ICE raids but ICE isn't just going in to restaurants and questioning random people without probable cause. Raids can be unnecessarily ugly in some cases thanks to the direction of our awful POTUS but they aren't random. They are looking for particular people. I wouldn't advise hanging out with illegal aliens that are known criminals even if you have full citizenship because you'd be asking for harassment in that case.

That is bullsh#t and not how ICE operates. They arrest everyone and do not ask for Identification or proof of citizenship.

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Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Yet.
You honestly don’t see it coming?
Noem left the thing about her dog killing in the book to show she was willing to do the “difficult, messy, ugly” things. It won’t be too long before those swarms will be happening to appease trump of miller and shoulders will be shrugged because sometimes “difficult, messy, ugly” things have be done to meet quotas. Collateral damage be damned.

Look, I am not a Trump voter or an apologist. I still do not think the fears you are mentioning are that credible. The administration is not going to start stopping random people in the streets and setting up Soviet-style checkpoints for passport checks.

The raids and arrests have targeted non-citizens who are in the US without authorization or stable immigration status and yes, have included the collateral damage of detaining or causing headaches for some US citizens present at the time of arrest. I expect that will continue. Again, these raids are not being executed well and in some cases raise due process issues, but the administration is not targeting US citizens. I don’t believe they will.

Turn on your TV and watch the senior senator in California being arrested by ICE. You are naive. This is not about immigration. This is a power grab by a dictator.

"The incident happened shortly after Noem said the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) "is staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into this city.""

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrat-sen...ems-press-conference

Wow this is scary. There will be no election in this country.

Meanwhile, as you are fear mongering, Dems have been kicking ass in elections left and right in recent weeks. Get your head out of the sand, fruitcake.

https://www.gelliottmorris.com/p/democrats-won-more-special-elections

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof.

You’re not a POC, are you?

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that.

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing.

Yet.
You honestly don’t see it coming?
Noem left the thing about her dog killing in the book to show she was willing to do the “difficult, messy, ugly” things. It won’t be too long before those swarms will be happening to appease trump of miller and shoulders will be shrugged because sometimes “difficult, messy, ugly” things have be done to meet quotas. Collateral damage be damned.

Look, I am not a Trump voter or an apologist. I still do not think the fears you are mentioning are that credible. The administration is not going to start stopping random people in the streets and setting up Soviet-style checkpoints for passport checks.

The raids and arrests have targeted non-citizens who are in the US without authorization or stable immigration status and yes, have included the collateral damage of detaining or causing headaches for some US citizens present at the time of arrest. I expect that will continue. Again, these raids are not being executed well and in some cases raise due process issues, but the administration is not targeting US citizens. I don’t believe they will.

Turn on your TV and watch the senior senator in California being arrested by ICE. You are naive. This is not about immigration. This is a power grab by a dictator.

"The incident happened shortly after Noem said the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) "is staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into this city.""

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrat-sen...ems-press-conference

Wow this is scary. There will be no election in this country.

Meanwhile, as you are fear mongering, Dems have been kicking ass in elections left and right in recent weeks. Get your head out of the sand, fruitcake.

https://www.gelliottmorris.com/p/democrats-won-more-special-elections

Oh look the propagandist is at it again. There will be no election. Trump will cancel them and declare martial law and send ICE to arrest democratic officials. It’s over.