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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No, resist! That's not the law. The government has the burden of proof. [/quote]

You’re not a POC, are you? [/quote]

NP. I am a “POC” (I hate this term) lawyer and I agree with this in principle. But I’m not scared of being “disappeared” or walking around in general. I live in NYC and walk around all the time without a wallet (including ID), and have no plans of changing this.

People are being hysterical. Many years ago I studied abroad in Russia, which is actually a country where authorities can and will stop foreign-looking people (or anyone) and ask for your papers. This is not anything even remotely close to that. [/quote]

lol better start carrying your papers on you. Can’t wait to see you try to lawyer your way out of being arrested by a private in the 82nd or mask ICE agents.

[quote] The Trump administration is planning to conduct major immigration raids in three U.S. cities per week, according to three sources familiar with the planning. One of the sources described the operations as “all hands on deck.”

Operations began Sunday in Chicago, New York City began Tuesday, and three officials said they were planning for the next operation to take place in Aurora, Colorado, on Thursday. However, two sources familiar with the planning said Wednesday the Aurora operation was called off temporarily due to media leaks. One source said the leaks posed an operational security risk for officers involved. [/quote]
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390[/quote]

PP here. Yeah, I see absolutely no need to do that. My point is that the immigration raids - and I am not addressing the merits of those and due process issues they might raise - are exactly that, raids, where ICE thinks it can pick up people without papers. Like immigration court. There aren’t ICE officers swarming the streets of Midtown and the subway looking for random people to detain. I feel perfectly, 100% safe from immigration officers in my daily life.

I recognize that even U.S. citizens are having issues at borders and airports, but I maintain that American citizens “of color” systematically being detained on the streets and ordered to show papers while going about their business is not a thing. [/quote]

Yet.  
You honestly don’t see it coming?    
Noem left the thing about her dog killing in the book to show she was willing to do the “difficult, messy, ugly” things.  It won’t be too long before those swarms will be happening to appease trump of miller and shoulders will be shrugged because sometimes “difficult, messy, ugly” things have be done to meet quotas.  Collateral damage be damned.  [/quote]

Look, I am not a Trump voter or an apologist. I still do not think the fears you are mentioning are that credible. The administration is not going to start stopping random people in the streets and setting up Soviet-style checkpoints for passport checks.

The raids and arrests have targeted non-citizens who are in the US without authorization or stable immigration status and yes, have included the collateral damage of detaining or causing headaches for some US citizens present at the time of arrest. I expect that will continue. Again, these raids are not being executed well and in some cases raise due process issues, but the administration is not targeting US citizens. I don’t believe they will. [/quote]

DP
Let’s assume OP is in a restaurant eating and ICE officers raided the restaurant and started asking for documentation ?
Is she going to say I am American citizen with heavy accent and they will let her go?[/quote]

Some bystanders in the company of known illegal aliens may be questioned and forced to prove citizenship during ICE raids but ICE isn't just going in to restaurants and questioning random people without probable cause. Raids can be unnecessarily ugly in some cases thanks to the direction of our awful POTUS but they aren't random. They are looking for particular people. I wouldn't advise hanging out with illegal aliens that are known criminals even if you have full citizenship because you'd be asking for harassment in that case.[/quote]

But they do.
There are a lot of stories of collateral damage.
My restaurant story is not far fetched.[/quote]

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