People who lie about service animals

[Anonymous]

Ok, so I see dogs all over the place and in various business establishments and restaurants and hotels etc etc etc ALL THE TIME but rarely if ever barking or acting aggressive or ever causing any kind of problem ever. So what’s the problem? You all just plain don’t like dogs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What do to about it?

Stop patronizing businesses that allow it. Literally leave mid-meal, or mid-shop if you see a dog, and make sure to tell a manager why you're abandoning your transaction on your way out.

Now, that doesn't work for most people and many circumstances. I'm too busy to walk away from my half-full shopping cart. It would be too awkward to leave a group of friends in a restaurant. But that's what it would take.

In the meantime, we can compile a list of known offenders and avoid them. Gotta make sure they know why you won't return, though, so they can make a change. I'll start:
The Line Hotel lets dogs into its restaurant. I was there recently and a dog was climbing on the benches, wandering up to other people's tables begging, etc. The waitress just shrugged. If I hadn't been with friends visiting from out of town, I would have walked out then and there. As it is, I will never patronize The Line again.

It's not the businesses fault, though. They can be sued for denying services/entry to someone with a fake service dog. The business can only ask 2 questions: is it a trained service dog and what task is it trained to perform. That's it.

The business can't even ask them to leave until the dog makes a disturbance or has an accident inside. Those are the 2 ways even legal service animals can be asked to leave.

My sibling is a GM at a restaurant and deals with the fake service dogs daily. They hate them as much as their patrons but they literally have no recourse until the dog makes a disturbance/accident.

IMO, there does need to be an official service dog registration database and the dogs should have official certified papers. Not those fake little certificates you can get from any telehealth appointment. My boss has one of those so she can fly with her dog in her lap instead of in a cage. I believe it was when I was in France visiting last summer, I was pleased to learn that service dogs there must have their own little officially issued photo IDs! The cards even state the trained task and who to call in addition to emergency services should the handler ever be incapacitated.

That would become a defacto database of the disabled. You can't just register dogs. You would need to register owners too.

Such database already exists at the DMV when they apply for a handicapped placard. I see no difference here.

Random businesses don't have access to DMV records

They wouldn't need access to this one either. A licence/certificate/registration of some sort from an accredited place would be enough.

That's what we have now. You just don't like the accrediting agencies.

The "accrediting agencies" are fake. They sell a piece of paper on the internet for people too dumb to forge their own piece of paper. Make it look official and everything!

So, we need an accredited agency for the accrediting agencies until we get to a point where agencies can't get accredited?

[Anonymous]

Gov could mandate a certification process for this and allow companies to request the certificate.

People have abused the system too much to keep going this way with no questions and people bringing their pets everywhere they don’t belong.

[Anonymous]

It's kind of crazy that not one PP has mentioned the real victims of all of this: people who actually have disabilities and require a service dog! They face so much discrimination, judgement and general nastiness from people who assume they are one of these frauds--particularly people with hidden disabilities (diabetes, seizure disorders, PTSD etc).

So if you think the annoyance you're feeling is intense, imagine depending on a service dog for your literal survival and having people doubting you at every turn. It really is shockingly selfish and abhorrent behavior by the fakers.

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Anonymous wrote:I have an ex friend who is one of these crazies. Has a “service dog” vest for her dog who is a very good dog but not a service dog. She turned out to be an entitled manipulator and this sort of thing went right along with it. These people tend to be delusional and/or narcissists. I can’t with this type of person.

And I love dogs! I have a dog, and he is a de facto emotional support animal. But I don’t need him every hour of the day and would never bring him where dogs aren’t allowed or present him as a service dog.

There needs to be a law change. Presenting your dog as a service dog when they are not in order to derive some benefit is somewhat akin to impersonating a police officer. Real police carry ID and are verifiable. Why not photo IDs for service dogs on a national registry? The ADA has created an unfunded mandate and unreasonable burden on private businesses to manage this.

Heck, maybe if I am RIF’ed this could be my startup/lobbying cause.

Totally agree. People with "emotional support animals" are a priori bad people. Like you said, narcissist and manipulative.

I wonder how handicap parking tags are verified? Let's have that for service animals.

Medical documentation is required I believe.

The problem with equating accessible parking and the documentation needed with service animals is because there are many disabilities that wouldn’t rise to needing a service animal and those who need service animals that wouldn’t benefit from accessible parking. They’re totally different needs.

PP is right. The real victims here (of both parking and service animal liars) arrested people with invisible disabilities. It really sucks for them.

[Anonymous]

I recall this time that we were in guest services at the entrance of a big amusement park. We overheard one attendant talking to another about how someone just brought their ‘service dog’ through the gates into the park. It was a 🐶 puppy! Clearly, it wasn’t trained but the company was not permitted to throw them out. Ridiculous!

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Anonymous wrote:It's kind of crazy that not one PP has mentioned the real victims of all of this: people who actually have disabilities and require a service dog! They face so much discrimination, judgement and general nastiness from people who assume they are one of these frauds--particularly people with hidden disabilities (diabetes, seizure disorders, PTSD etc).

So if you think the annoyance you're feeling is intense, imagine depending on a service dog for your literal survival and having people doubting you at every turn. It really is shockingly selfish and abhorrent behavior by the fakers.

But even use of dogs for the conditions you mention is dubious. You don't need a dog to monitor your blood sugar (and their effectiveness at doing so is contested), get a glucose monitor (research shows that they alert earlier and more accurately). Basically, some people like having a dog around and it reduces their anxiety. But I would hazard a guess that it raises anxiety in just as many people who do not want a dog in their public spaces.

[Anonymous]

There’s a lot of entitled people who just want to bring there dog everywhere so they feign it’s a service dog. They get on airplanes, inside restaurants, go to the grocery store, go to Home Depot, etc. —all with poochie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's kind of crazy that not one PP has mentioned the real victims of all of this: people who actually have disabilities and require a service dog! They face so much discrimination, judgement and general nastiness from people who assume they are one of these frauds--particularly people with hidden disabilities (diabetes, seizure disorders, PTSD etc).

So if you think the annoyance you're feeling is intense, imagine depending on a service dog for your literal survival and having people doubting you at every turn. It really is shockingly selfish and abhorrent behavior by the fakers.

But even use of dogs for the conditions you mention is dubious. You don't need a dog to monitor your blood sugar (and their effectiveness at doing so is contested), get a glucose monitor (research shows that they alert earlier and more accurately). Basically, some people like having a dog around and it reduces their anxiety. But I would hazard a guess that it raises anxiety in just as many people who do not want a dog in their public spaces.

Sounds like you need a service animal for your anxiety.

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Anonymous wrote:It's kind of crazy that not one PP has mentioned the real victims of all of this: people who actually have disabilities and require a service dog! They face so much discrimination, judgement and general nastiness from people who assume they are one of these frauds--particularly people with hidden disabilities (diabetes, seizure disorders, PTSD etc).

So if you think the annoyance you're feeling is intense, imagine depending on a service dog for your literal survival and having people doubting you at every turn. It really is shockingly selfish and abhorrent behavior by the fakers.

But even use of dogs for the conditions you mention is dubious. You don't need a dog to monitor your blood sugar (and their effectiveness at doing so is contested), get a glucose monitor (research shows that they alert earlier and more accurately). Basically, some people like having a dog around and it reduces their anxiety. But I would hazard a guess that it raises anxiety in just as many people who do not want a dog in their public spaces.

Sounds like you need a service animal for your anxiety.

I think there are legitimate service dogs who are actually necessary. There are medical conditions such as epilepsy, blindness, etc where these dogs are life savers. I do not think people with emotional needs qualify. I say this as a person who manages severe depression, anxiety and PTSD with various medical and non medical things. If you need your dog to get out to the restaurant, your doctors, therapists and you have failed at properly managing your illness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My cousin does this. He claims his dog is a service dog. He told me that no one is allow to ask what the dog does, so it's basically a free for all to bring is dog on planes, to restaurants, etc. These are morally bankrupt people.

They are allowed to ask what service the dog is trained to perform. And they should be asking that.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why socialism, communism and progressivism are always failures. They are too low IQ to account for human ability and nature to bend, expand and redefine rules into a sloppy, slovenly and somewhat smelly affair. Support animal meant a dog with a handle for a blind person. Now you're in an airplane seated next to a coyote. Only stupid people with the wisdom of a fruitfly push for those regressive and misery inducing philosophies.

Yep.

Agree

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Anonymous wrote:It's kind of crazy that not one PP has mentioned the real victims of all of this: people who actually have disabilities and require a service dog! They face so much discrimination, judgement and general nastiness from people who assume they are one of these frauds--particularly people with hidden disabilities (diabetes, seizure disorders, PTSD etc).

So if you think the annoyance you're feeling is intense, imagine depending on a service dog for your literal survival and having people doubting you at every turn. It really is shockingly selfish and abhorrent behavior by the fakers.

That's my whole reason for hating them. (Ok, 80% of my reason.) I actually like dogs. Hope to have another myself someday. I do hate the entitlement and dishonestly of the ESA people, but I really hate that people who need actual service animals them are forced to deal with the suspicion those narcissists created.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ask them what service/task the dog performs.

The problem is that this is an illegal question. Thr restaurant is not allowed to ask.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a lot of entitled people who just want to bring there dog everywhere so they feign it’s a service dog. They get on airplanes, inside restaurants, go to the grocery store, go to Home Depot, etc. —all with poochie.

Home Depot allows dogs as a policy.