People who lie about service animals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do to about it?

Stop patronizing businesses that allow it. Literally leave mid-meal, or mid-shop if you see a dog, and make sure to tell a manager why you're abandoning your transaction on your way out.

Now, that doesn't work for most people and many circumstances. I'm too busy to walk away from my half-full shopping cart. It would be too awkward to leave a group of friends in a restaurant. But that's what it would take.

In the meantime, we can compile a list of known offenders and avoid them. Gotta make sure they know why you won't return, though, so they can make a change. I'll start:
The Line Hotel lets dogs into its restaurant. I was there recently and a dog was climbing on the benches, wandering up to other people's tables begging, etc. The waitress just shrugged. If I hadn't been with friends visiting from out of town, I would have walked out then and there. As it is, I will never patronize The Line again.

It's not the businesses fault, though. They can be sued for denying services/entry to someone with a fake service dog. The business can only ask 2 questions: is it a trained service dog and what task is it trained to perform. That's it.

The business can't even ask them to leave until the dog makes a disturbance or has an accident inside. Those are the 2 ways even legal service animals can be asked to leave.

My sibling is a GM at a restaurant and deals with the fake service dogs daily. They hate them as much as their patrons but they literally have no recourse until the dog makes a disturbance/accident.

IMO, there does need to be an official service dog registration database and the dogs should have official certified papers. Not those fake little certificates you can get from any telehealth appointment. My boss has one of those so she can fly with her dog in her lap instead of in a cage. I believe it was when I was in France visiting last summer, I was pleased to learn that service dogs there must have their own little officially issued photo IDs! The cards even state the trained task and who to call in addition to emergency services should the handler ever be incapacitated.

That would become a defacto database of the disabled. You can't just register dogs. You would need to register owners too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do to about it?

Stop patronizing businesses that allow it. Literally leave mid-meal, or mid-shop if you see a dog, and make sure to tell a manager why you're abandoning your transaction on your way out.

Now, that doesn't work for most people and many circumstances. I'm too busy to walk away from my half-full shopping cart. It would be too awkward to leave a group of friends in a restaurant. But that's what it would take.

In the meantime, we can compile a list of known offenders and avoid them. Gotta make sure they know why you won't return, though, so they can make a change. I'll start:
The Line Hotel lets dogs into its restaurant. I was there recently and a dog was climbing on the benches, wandering up to other people's tables begging, etc. The waitress just shrugged. If I hadn't been with friends visiting from out of town, I would have walked out then and there. As it is, I will never patronize The Line again.

It's not the businesses fault, though. They can be sued for denying services/entry to someone with a fake service dog. The business can only ask 2 questions: is it a trained service dog and what task is it trained to perform. That's it.

The business can't even ask them to leave until the dog makes a disturbance or has an accident inside. Those are the 2 ways even legal service animals can be asked to leave.

My sibling is a GM at a restaurant and deals with the fake service dogs daily. They hate them as much as their patrons but they literally have no recourse until the dog makes a disturbance/accident.

IMO, there does need to be an official service dog registration database and the dogs should have official certified papers. Not those fake little certificates you can get from any telehealth appointment. My boss has one of those so she can fly with her dog in her lap instead of in a cage. I believe it was when I was in France visiting last summer, I was pleased to learn that service dogs there must have their own little officially issued photo IDs! The cards even state the trained task and who to call in addition to emergency services should the handler ever be incapacitated.

That would become a defacto database of the disabled. You can't just register dogs. You would need to register owners too.

Such database already exists at the DMV when they apply for a handicapped placard. I see no difference here.

[Anonymous]

People are selfish. They want their dog to come along everywhere so they beat the system by saying Rover is a great service dog.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do to about it?

Stop patronizing businesses that allow it. Literally leave mid-meal, or mid-shop if you see a dog, and make sure to tell a manager why you're abandoning your transaction on your way out.

Now, that doesn't work for most people and many circumstances. I'm too busy to walk away from my half-full shopping cart. It would be too awkward to leave a group of friends in a restaurant. But that's what it would take.

In the meantime, we can compile a list of known offenders and avoid them. Gotta make sure they know why you won't return, though, so they can make a change. I'll start:
The Line Hotel lets dogs into its restaurant. I was there recently and a dog was climbing on the benches, wandering up to other people's tables begging, etc. The waitress just shrugged. If I hadn't been with friends visiting from out of town, I would have walked out then and there. As it is, I will never patronize The Line again.

It's not the businesses fault, though. They can be sued for denying services/entry to someone with a fake service dog. The business can only ask 2 questions: is it a trained service dog and what task is it trained to perform. That's it.

The business can't even ask them to leave until the dog makes a disturbance or has an accident inside. Those are the 2 ways even legal service animals can be asked to leave.

My sibling is a GM at a restaurant and deals with the fake service dogs daily. They hate them as much as their patrons but they literally have no recourse until the dog makes a disturbance/accident.

IMO, there does need to be an official service dog registration database and the dogs should have official certified papers. Not those fake little certificates you can get from any telehealth appointment. My boss has one of those so she can fly with her dog in her lap instead of in a cage. I believe it was when I was in France visiting last summer, I was pleased to learn that service dogs there must have their own little officially issued photo IDs! The cards even state the trained task and who to call in addition to emergency services should the handler ever be incapacitated.

That would become a defacto database of the disabled. You can't just register dogs. You would need to register owners too.

Such database already exists at the DMV when they apply for a handicapped placard. I see no difference here.

Random businesses don't have access to DMV records

[Anonymous]

The minute one of these dogs starts barking at people... they have shown that they are fake, and it should get people banned from airlines, restaurants and grocery stores. It's one thing to trust the first time, but after the people have shown that they are liars?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do to about it?

Stop patronizing businesses that allow it. Literally leave mid-meal, or mid-shop if you see a dog, and make sure to tell a manager why you're abandoning your transaction on your way out.

Now, that doesn't work for most people and many circumstances. I'm too busy to walk away from my half-full shopping cart. It would be too awkward to leave a group of friends in a restaurant. But that's what it would take.

In the meantime, we can compile a list of known offenders and avoid them. Gotta make sure they know why you won't return, though, so they can make a change. I'll start:
The Line Hotel lets dogs into its restaurant. I was there recently and a dog was climbing on the benches, wandering up to other people's tables begging, etc. The waitress just shrugged. If I hadn't been with friends visiting from out of town, I would have walked out then and there. As it is, I will never patronize The Line again.

It's not the businesses fault, though. They can be sued for denying services/entry to someone with a fake service dog. The business can only ask 2 questions: is it a trained service dog and what task is it trained to perform. That's it.

The business can't even ask them to leave until the dog makes a disturbance or has an accident inside. Those are the 2 ways even legal service animals can be asked to leave.

My sibling is a GM at a restaurant and deals with the fake service dogs daily. They hate them as much as their patrons but they literally have no recourse until the dog makes a disturbance/accident.

IMO, there does need to be an official service dog registration database and the dogs should have official certified papers. Not those fake little certificates you can get from any telehealth appointment. My boss has one of those so she can fly with her dog in her lap instead of in a cage. I believe it was when I was in France visiting last summer, I was pleased to learn that service dogs there must have their own little officially issued photo IDs! The cards even state the trained task and who to call in addition to emergency services should the handler ever be incapacitated.

That would become a defacto database of the disabled. You can't just register dogs. You would need to register owners too.

Such database already exists at the DMV when they apply for a handicapped placard. I see no difference here.

Random businesses don't have access to DMV records

They wouldn't need access to this one either. A licence/certificate/registration of some sort from an accredited place would be enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do to about it?

Stop patronizing businesses that allow it. Literally leave mid-meal, or mid-shop if you see a dog, and make sure to tell a manager why you're abandoning your transaction on your way out.

Now, that doesn't work for most people and many circumstances. I'm too busy to walk away from my half-full shopping cart. It would be too awkward to leave a group of friends in a restaurant. But that's what it would take.

In the meantime, we can compile a list of known offenders and avoid them. Gotta make sure they know why you won't return, though, so they can make a change. I'll start:
The Line Hotel lets dogs into its restaurant. I was there recently and a dog was climbing on the benches, wandering up to other people's tables begging, etc. The waitress just shrugged. If I hadn't been with friends visiting from out of town, I would have walked out then and there. As it is, I will never patronize The Line again.

It's not the businesses fault, though. They can be sued for denying services/entry to someone with a fake service dog. The business can only ask 2 questions: is it a trained service dog and what task is it trained to perform. That's it.

The business can't even ask them to leave until the dog makes a disturbance or has an accident inside. Those are the 2 ways even legal service animals can be asked to leave.

My sibling is a GM at a restaurant and deals with the fake service dogs daily. They hate them as much as their patrons but they literally have no recourse until the dog makes a disturbance/accident.

IMO, there does need to be an official service dog registration database and the dogs should have official certified papers. Not those fake little certificates you can get from any telehealth appointment. My boss has one of those so she can fly with her dog in her lap instead of in a cage. I believe it was when I was in France visiting last summer, I was pleased to learn that service dogs there must have their own little officially issued photo IDs! The cards even state the trained task and who to call in addition to emergency services should the handler ever be incapacitated.

That would become a defacto database of the disabled. You can't just register dogs. You would need to register owners too.

Such database already exists at the DMV when they apply for a handicapped placard. I see no difference here.

Random businesses don't have access to DMV records

They wouldn't need access to this one either. A licence/certificate/registration of some sort from an accredited place would be enough.

This. Put a barcode in it the business can scan for validity. Didn't some cities do this for the vax?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My cousin does this. He claims his dog is a service dog. He told me that no one is allow to ask what the dog does, so it's basically a free for all to bring is dog on planes, to restaurants, etc. These are morally bankrupt people.

My buddy who is really into crypto does the same thing. It's a cute French bulldog, but he always claims it's an emotional support dog so he can take it onto planes for free or into the grocery story. He will also bring the dog into AirBnBs without telling the owner.

We've all given him crap for it, but he doesn't care.

[Anonymous]

I have an ex friend who is one of these crazies. Has a “service dog” vest for her dog who is a very good dog but not a service dog. She turned out to be an entitled manipulator and this sort of thing went right along with it. These people tend to be delusional and/or narcissists. I can’t with this type of person.

And I love dogs! I have a dog, and he is a de facto emotional support animal. But I don’t need him every hour of the day and would never bring him where dogs aren’t allowed or present him as a service dog.

There needs to be a law change. Presenting your dog as a service dog when they are not in order to derive some benefit is somewhat akin to impersonating a police officer. Real police carry ID and are verifiable. Why not photo IDs for service dogs on a national registry? The ADA has created an unfunded mandate and unreasonable burden on private businesses to manage this.

Heck, maybe if I am RIF’ed this could be my startup/lobbying cause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's absolutely nothing to be done with the way laws are written.
I was in a grocery store and a lady was pushing an obese, sleeping Dachshund in a filthy dog bed in the cart. Someone said something to her about it and she rattled off that it was a service dog and that the ADA protected her from questions.

not only this, I own a short term rental and have no choice to allow a service animal to stay and if it's not a service animal but ppl lie about it, there's nothing I can do. . Even though no one has asked, I think we'd stop renting if it happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do to about it?

Stop patronizing businesses that allow it. Literally leave mid-meal, or mid-shop if you see a dog, and make sure to tell a manager why you're abandoning your transaction on your way out.

Now, that doesn't work for most people and many circumstances. I'm too busy to walk away from my half-full shopping cart. It would be too awkward to leave a group of friends in a restaurant. But that's what it would take.

In the meantime, we can compile a list of known offenders and avoid them. Gotta make sure they know why you won't return, though, so they can make a change. I'll start:
The Line Hotel lets dogs into its restaurant. I was there recently and a dog was climbing on the benches, wandering up to other people's tables begging, etc. The waitress just shrugged. If I hadn't been with friends visiting from out of town, I would have walked out then and there. As it is, I will never patronize The Line again.

It's not the businesses fault, though. They can be sued for denying services/entry to someone with a fake service dog. The business can only ask 2 questions: is it a trained service dog and what task is it trained to perform. That's it.

The business can't even ask them to leave until the dog makes a disturbance or has an accident inside. Those are the 2 ways even legal service animals can be asked to leave.

My sibling is a GM at a restaurant and deals with the fake service dogs daily. They hate them as much as their patrons but they literally have no recourse until the dog makes a disturbance/accident.

IMO, there does need to be an official service dog registration database and the dogs should have official certified papers. Not those fake little certificates you can get from any telehealth appointment. My boss has one of those so she can fly with her dog in her lap instead of in a cage. I believe it was when I was in France visiting last summer, I was pleased to learn that service dogs there must have their own little officially issued photo IDs! The cards even state the trained task and who to call in addition to emergency services should the handler ever be incapacitated.

That would become a defacto database of the disabled. You can't just register dogs. You would need to register owners too.

Such database already exists at the DMV when they apply for a handicapped placard. I see no difference here.

Random businesses don't have access to DMV records

They wouldn't need access to this one either. A licence/certificate/registration of some sort from an accredited place would be enough.

That's what we have now. You just don't like the accrediting agencies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have an ex friend who is one of these crazies. Has a “service dog” vest for her dog who is a very good dog but not a service dog. She turned out to be an entitled manipulator and this sort of thing went right along with it. These people tend to be delusional and/or narcissists. I can’t with this type of person.

And I love dogs! I have a dog, and he is a de facto emotional support animal. But I don’t need him every hour of the day and would never bring him where dogs aren’t allowed or present him as a service dog.

There needs to be a law change. Presenting your dog as a service dog when they are not in order to derive some benefit is somewhat akin to impersonating a police officer. Real police carry ID and are verifiable. Why not photo IDs for service dogs on a national registry? The ADA has created an unfunded mandate and unreasonable burden on private businesses to manage this.

Heck, maybe if I am RIF’ed this could be my startup/lobbying cause.

Totally agree. People with "emotional support animals" are a priori bad people. Like you said, narcissist and manipulative.

I wonder how handicap parking tags are verified? Let's have that for service animals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do to about it?

Stop patronizing businesses that allow it. Literally leave mid-meal, or mid-shop if you see a dog, and make sure to tell a manager why you're abandoning your transaction on your way out.

Now, that doesn't work for most people and many circumstances. I'm too busy to walk away from my half-full shopping cart. It would be too awkward to leave a group of friends in a restaurant. But that's what it would take.

In the meantime, we can compile a list of known offenders and avoid them. Gotta make sure they know why you won't return, though, so they can make a change. I'll start:
The Line Hotel lets dogs into its restaurant. I was there recently and a dog was climbing on the benches, wandering up to other people's tables begging, etc. The waitress just shrugged. If I hadn't been with friends visiting from out of town, I would have walked out then and there. As it is, I will never patronize The Line again.

It's not the businesses fault, though. They can be sued for denying services/entry to someone with a fake service dog. The business can only ask 2 questions: is it a trained service dog and what task is it trained to perform. That's it.

The business can't even ask them to leave until the dog makes a disturbance or has an accident inside. Those are the 2 ways even legal service animals can be asked to leave.

My sibling is a GM at a restaurant and deals with the fake service dogs daily. They hate them as much as their patrons but they literally have no recourse until the dog makes a disturbance/accident.

IMO, there does need to be an official service dog registration database and the dogs should have official certified papers. Not those fake little certificates you can get from any telehealth appointment. My boss has one of those so she can fly with her dog in her lap instead of in a cage. I believe it was when I was in France visiting last summer, I was pleased to learn that service dogs there must have their own little officially issued photo IDs! The cards even state the trained task and who to call in addition to emergency services should the handler ever be incapacitated.

That would become a defacto database of the disabled. You can't just register dogs. You would need to register owners too.

Such database already exists at the DMV when they apply for a handicapped placard. I see no difference here.

Random businesses don't have access to DMV records

They wouldn't need access to this one either. A licence/certificate/registration of some sort from an accredited place would be enough.

That's what we have now. You just don't like the accrediting agencies.

The "accrediting agencies" are fake. They sell a piece of paper on the internet for people too dumb to forge their own piece of paper. Make it look official and everything!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do to about it?

Stop patronizing businesses that allow it. Literally leave mid-meal, or mid-shop if you see a dog, and make sure to tell a manager why you're abandoning your transaction on your way out.

Now, that doesn't work for most people and many circumstances. I'm too busy to walk away from my half-full shopping cart. It would be too awkward to leave a group of friends in a restaurant. But that's what it would take.

In the meantime, we can compile a list of known offenders and avoid them. Gotta make sure they know why you won't return, though, so they can make a change. I'll start:
The Line Hotel lets dogs into its restaurant. I was there recently and a dog was climbing on the benches, wandering up to other people's tables begging, etc. The waitress just shrugged. If I hadn't been with friends visiting from out of town, I would have walked out then and there. As it is, I will never patronize The Line again.

It's not the businesses fault, though. They can be sued for denying services/entry to someone with a fake service dog. The business can only ask 2 questions: is it a trained service dog and what task is it trained to perform. That's it.

The business can't even ask them to leave until the dog makes a disturbance or has an accident inside. Those are the 2 ways even legal service animals can be asked to leave.

My sibling is a GM at a restaurant and deals with the fake service dogs daily. They hate them as much as their patrons but they literally have no recourse until the dog makes a disturbance/accident.

IMO, there does need to be an official service dog registration database and the dogs should have official certified papers. Not those fake little certificates you can get from any telehealth appointment. My boss has one of those so she can fly with her dog in her lap instead of in a cage. I believe it was when I was in France visiting last summer, I was pleased to learn that service dogs there must have their own little officially issued photo IDs! The cards even state the trained task and who to call in addition to emergency services should the handler ever be incapacitated.

That would become a defacto database of the disabled. You can't just register dogs. You would need to register owners too.

Such database already exists at the DMV when they apply for a handicapped placard. I see no difference here.

Random businesses don't have access to DMV records

They wouldn't need access to this one either. A licence/certificate/registration of some sort from an accredited place would be enough.

That's what we have now. You just don't like the accrediting agencies.

The "accrediting agencies" are fake. They sell a piece of paper on the internet for people too dumb to forge their own piece of paper. Make it look official and everything!

Yeah, show me anyone (with $80 or whatever it costs) who's ever been denied a ESA doc.

[Anonymous]

I have a cousin who rescued a dog about 10 years ago. Cute little thing...after 5 years, I suddenly heard he is a service dog who is legally allowed to go everywhere with her. I have not heard that this young woman who is quite active and able has any conditions that warrant a service pet. This dog is fairly old at this point and I am curious to see if he is replaced by another pound available service pup.