People who lie about service animals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a lot of entitled people who just want to bring there dog everywhere so they feign it’s a service dog. They get on airplanes, inside restaurants, go to the grocery store, go to Home Depot, etc. —all with poochie.

Home Depot allows dogs as a policy.

Pp here. Apologies. Some stores allow leashed dogs, but you need to check first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why socialism, communism and progressivism are always failures. They are too low IQ to account for human ability and nature to bend, expand and redefine rules into a sloppy, slovenly and somewhat smelly affair. Support animal meant a dog with a handle for a blind person. Now you're in an airplane seated next to a coyote. Only stupid people with the wisdom of a fruitfly push for those regressive and misery inducing philosophies.

You are an unhinged moron.

This has nothing to do with politics, least of all communism or socialism FFS.

And I don't like dogs being everywhere and people faking that they are service animals.

of course it does...politics is not just about who controls decision making, but also about finding ways for everyone to get along and how to resolve differences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why socialism, communism and progressivism are always failures. They are too low IQ to account for human ability and nature to bend, expand and redefine rules into a sloppy, slovenly and somewhat smelly affair. Support animal meant a dog with a handle for a blind person. Now you're in an airplane seated next to a coyote. Only stupid people with the wisdom of a fruitfly push for those regressive and misery inducing philosophies.

You are an unhinged moron.

This has nothing to do with politics, least of all communism or socialism FFS.

And I don't like dogs being everywhere and people faking that they are service animals.

of course it does...politics is not just about who controls decision making, but also about finding ways for everyone to get along and how to resolve differences.

Nope, that's not politics, you moron. That's culture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ask them what service/task the dog performs.

The problem is that this is an illegal question. Thr restaurant is not allowed to ask.

It's actually one of only two questions they can ask:
https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-faqs/


Q7. What questions can a covered entity's employees ask to determine if a dog is a service animal?

A. In situations where it is not obvious that the dog is a service animal, staff may ask only two specific questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform? Staff are not allowed to request any documentation for the dog, require that the dog demonstrate its task, or inquire about the nature of the person’s disability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an ex friend who is one of these crazies. Has a “service dog” vest for her dog who is a very good dog but not a service dog. She turned out to be an entitled manipulator and this sort of thing went right along with it. These people tend to be delusional and/or narcissists. I can’t with this type of person.

And I love dogs! I have a dog, and he is a de facto emotional support animal. But I don’t need him every hour of the day and would never bring him where dogs aren’t allowed or present him as a service dog.

There needs to be a law change. Presenting your dog as a service dog when they are not in order to derive some benefit is somewhat akin to impersonating a police officer. Real police carry ID and are verifiable. Why not photo IDs for service dogs on a national registry? The ADA has created an unfunded mandate and unreasonable burden on private businesses to manage this.

Heck, maybe if I am RIF’ed this could be my startup/lobbying cause.

Totally agree. People with "emotional support animals" are a priori bad people. Like you said, narcissist and manipulative.

I wonder how handicap parking tags are verified? Let's have that for service animals.

Medical documentation is required I believe.

The problem with equating accessible parking and the documentation needed with service animals is because there are many disabilities that wouldn’t rise to needing a service animal and those who need service animals that wouldn’t benefit from accessible parking. They’re totally different needs.

PP is right. The real victims here (of both parking and service animal liars) arrested people with invisible disabilities. It really sucks for them.

Obviously the specific requirements would be different for a service dog and a handicap sticker but I agree with the PP that they could be handled in a similar way by the same authority. Handicap stickers requiring proof of physical disability needing you to be closer to the entrance and a service dog requiring one of a specific list of medical issues AND proof that this specific dog (microchipped) is trained by an authorized trainer to conduct those specific duties, like a license for that dog. And all for the same reasons - that some people have no moral compass and will take advantage when they can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ask them what service/task the dog performs.

The problem is that this is an illegal question. Thr restaurant is not allowed to ask.

No, it is a perfectly legal question per ADA.

[Anonymous]

Dogs are hidden in shirts of women in CvS and Giant. These dogs shouldn’t be there around our food and allergy meds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an ex friend who is one of these crazies. Has a “service dog” vest for her dog who is a very good dog but not a service dog. She turned out to be an entitled manipulator and this sort of thing went right along with it. These people tend to be delusional and/or narcissists. I can’t with this type of person.

And I love dogs! I have a dog, and he is a de facto emotional support animal. But I don’t need him every hour of the day and would never bring him where dogs aren’t allowed or present him as a service dog.

There needs to be a law change. Presenting your dog as a service dog when they are not in order to derive some benefit is somewhat akin to impersonating a police officer. Real police carry ID and are verifiable. Why not photo IDs for service dogs on a national registry? The ADA has created an unfunded mandate and unreasonable burden on private businesses to manage this.

Heck, maybe if I am RIF’ed this could be my startup/lobbying cause.

Totally agree. People with "emotional support animals" are a priori bad people. Like you said, narcissist and manipulative.

I wonder how handicap parking tags are verified? Let's have that for service animals.

Medical documentation is required I believe.

The problem with equating accessible parking and the documentation needed with service animals is because there are many disabilities that wouldn’t rise to needing a service animal and those who need service animals that wouldn’t benefit from accessible parking. They’re totally different needs.

PP is right. The real victims here (of both parking and service animal liars) arrested people with invisible disabilities. It really sucks for them.

Obviously the specific requirements would be different for a service dog and a handicap sticker but I agree with the PP that they could be handled in a similar way by the same authority. Handicap stickers requiring proof of physical disability needing you to be closer to the entrance and a service dog requiring one of a specific list of medical issues AND proof that this specific dog (microchipped) is trained by an authorized trainer to conduct those specific duties, like a license for that dog. And all for the same reasons - that some people have no moral compass and will take advantage when they can.

+1

[Anonymous]

One aspect of emotional support/fake service animal issue that's especially problematic to me is that people (including here) are focusing mostly on dogs, but there's a slippery slope where other, less innocuous animals are presented as ESAs, which could pose a public safety threat. Take, for example, the ESA that's an alligator: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-says...dience-g-rcna150426.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One aspect of emotional support/fake service animal issue that's especially problematic to me is that people (including here) are focusing mostly on dogs, but there's a slippery slope where other, less innocuous animals are presented as ESAs, which could pose a public safety threat. Take, for example, the ESA that's an alligator: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-says...dience-g-rcna150426.

Dogs and cats are also a safety risk. Some people have allergies and shouldn’t be forced to sit near them or on a seat that they have touched. Also dogs can bite. We just need to regulate all of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One aspect of emotional support/fake service animal issue that's especially problematic to me is that people (including here) are focusing mostly on dogs, but there's a slippery slope where other, less innocuous animals are presented as ESAs, which could pose a public safety threat. Take, for example, the ESA that's an alligator: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-says...dience-g-rcna150426.

Dogs and cats are also a safety risk. Some people have allergies and shouldn’t be forced to sit near them or on a seat that they have touched. Also dogs can bite. We just need to regulate all of them.

General dog/cat/whatever ownership license and permit, including passing a test that says you understand the basics of care and keeping of the animal(s), plus mandatory proof of insurance covering anything your pet may get up to (bites, destruction of property, etc.). Severe financial penalties for being out-of-compliance or violating animal control code/legal restrictions in your area. Funds used to pay animal control officers, upgrade and maintain shelters, and provide public education on pet ownership.

Special permit required for "service animal" showing need and specifically-trained tasks animal is trained to perform. Permit is free, but proof is mandatory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why socialism, communism and progressivism are always failures. They are too low IQ to account for human ability and nature to bend, expand and redefine rules into a sloppy, slovenly and somewhat smelly affair. Support animal meant a dog with a handle for a blind person. Now you're in an airplane seated next to a coyote. Only stupid people with the wisdom of a fruitfly push for those regressive and misery inducing philosophies.

You are an unhinged moron.

This has nothing to do with politics, least of all communism or socialism FFS.

And I don't like dogs being everywhere and people faking that they are service animals.

of course it does...politics is not just about who controls decision making, but also about finding ways for everyone to get along and how to resolve differences.

Nope, that's not politics, you moron. That's culture.

where were you during covid?

[Anonymous]

People who lie about service animals should have their animals impounded and pay severe fines.

They screw it up for the people who have properly-trained animals who perform important services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One aspect of emotional support/fake service animal issue that's especially problematic to me is that people (including here) are focusing mostly on dogs, but there's a slippery slope where other, less innocuous animals are presented as ESAs, which could pose a public safety threat. Take, for example, the ESA that's an alligator: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-says...dience-g-rcna150426.

Dogs and cats are also a safety risk. Some people have allergies and shouldn’t be forced to sit near them or on a seat that they have touched. Also dogs can bite. We just need to regulate all of them.

General dog/cat/whatever ownership license and permit, including passing a test that says you understand the basics of care and keeping of the animal(s), plus mandatory proof of insurance covering anything your pet may get up to (bites, destruction of property, etc.). Severe financial penalties for being out-of-compliance or violating animal control code/legal restrictions in your area. Funds used to pay animal control officers, upgrade and maintain shelters, and provide public education on pet ownership.

Special permit required for "service animal" showing need and specifically-trained tasks animal is trained to perform. Permit is free, but proof is mandatory.

Proof of insurance should apply for ANY animal in public. Even people out walking their dogs or taking them to the beach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One aspect of emotional support/fake service animal issue that's especially problematic to me is that people (including here) are focusing mostly on dogs, but there's a slippery slope where other, less innocuous animals are presented as ESAs, which could pose a public safety threat. Take, for example, the ESA that's an alligator: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-says...dience-g-rcna150426.

Dogs and cats are also a safety risk. Some people have allergies and shouldn’t be forced to sit near them or on a seat that they have touched. Also dogs can bite. We just need to regulate all of them.

General dog/cat/whatever ownership license and permit, including passing a test that says you understand the basics of care and keeping of the animal(s), plus mandatory proof of insurance covering anything your pet may get up to (bites, destruction of property, etc.). Severe financial penalties for being out-of-compliance or violating animal control code/legal restrictions in your area. Funds used to pay animal control officers, upgrade and maintain shelters, and provide public education on pet ownership.

Special permit required for "service animal" showing need and specifically-trained tasks animal is trained to perform. Permit is free, but proof is mandatory.

We'll get right on this. It's easier to own a gun under your plan.