What is the endgame for current attack on elite unis + international students?

[Anonymous]

And before you pint out all of this admins hypocrites and foreigners. They get a pass, until they don't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges want out of state kids hoping to lure in talent that will stay post graduation and improve their state. This is especially true of graduate school. I don’t see that happening with international students who take that education back home. If they want to pay on their dime that’s fine but taxpayer dollars flowing to private universities in particular should prioritize citizen students.

The vast majority of international students are full-pay.

Why not take more American full pay instead??

I think people like you need to understand two important things:

1) Most int'l students are full pay--and subsidize American students, especially at public institutions where they pay out-of-state rates. According to the Institute of International Education, nearly 67% of international students pay for tuition out of pocket from personal or family sources. At public universities, international students often pay higher tuition rates than in-state students, effectively subsidizing the cost of education for domestic students. My own DC's two closest friends at a state flagship university are full-pay foreign students paying around $70,000 for tuition and living expenses per year.

2) Most foreign students are not going to highly competitive colleges like Harvard (where, as many of you have implied, they are taking precious spots from American students--newsflash, your kid is STILL not going to get in to Harvard, even if no more foreign students are accepted). While Ivy League institutions do enroll international students, they constitute a relatively small percentage of the student body. A larger proportion of international students attend public universities and less selective private institutions. Many have come just for ESL programs, which is a moneymaker for colleges.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster, but you must not be paying attention to scotus, trump and his plan for striking down birthright citizenship.
You will no longer be a citizen because your parents are immigrants.

I’m not worried. They’d become l US citizens when I was born.

I’m also married to someone whose great-great grandparents were immigrants in 1845. What about him?

I believe Trump and his people are trying to exclude everyone whose parents were not born in the US, thus irrelevant that your parents *became* citizens. He doesn't want them either. Your husband clears that hurdle. I'm always amazed at how easily people think they are in the protected class and this is about others. No, it's about you.
My family on both sides have been here for 200+ years, and yet, I'm still concerned about others and their being protected and not targeted by this white nationalism.

So 4 of his five kids should get excluded? Just Tiffany will be left? Wait, wasn’t Trump’s own mother a Scottish immigrant?
Meanwhile, the majority of African Americans are descendants of people who got here WAY before 1865. Being a white nationalist is more complicated than I realized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was a foreign student advisor in a large East Coast university for many years and am appalled by the open and unapologetic attack on foreign students. I have thought long and hard about this issue and have some ideas on what it's really about. Sorry for the long post, but I hope some of you will take a moment to read it.

At first I thought it was just a part of an overall effort to bring a handful of "elite" institutions to heel in the guise of addressing anti-semitism and DEI. But as I dug further, I learned that:
--it's not just the usual suspects such as Columbia, Harvard, and other Ivy League universities that are being targeted nor are students being targeted just for anti-semitism. In fact, over 80 U.S. colleges and universities have had international students or recent alumni subjected to visa revocations, detentions, or deportations under the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown.In our own backyard, foreign students have been asked to leave GMU, UVA, and UMD, just to name a few.
--increasingly, there is 1) ZERO reason given for these actions or 2) the reason given by ICE is "Other" with no explanation given.
--increasingly, the students are not just Muslims, but also from a range of other countries.

To answer the OP's question about "what is the endgame," I would say these are some of the main motivations/objectives:

1) Nationalism/populist messaging to the base—“We’re protecting Americans from foreigners who want to take over our country, take our kids’ spots in universities, take our jobs, etc.”
2) Ideological control – threatening to deport foreign students or limit universities’ ability to enroll foreign students is a way to control universities and the educated class in general (the “elites”) and to limit dissent, a key tactic in authoritarianism (see Orban’s efforts to exert government control over public universities in Hungary, https://apnews.com/article/hungary-business-government-and-politics-europe-education-9b76dce30164e77be1c3a2fe47db8bfa)
3) Voter distraction and political theater. Whip up the base and their anti-foreigner impulses and hope they don’t notice the tanking economy, the Trump administration’s inability to meet its economic promises (lower grocery prices, lower housing costs, etc) and scandals like Signalgate.
4) Furthering the anti-globalization and anti-multiculturalism stance of the government. Attacking foreign students is a part of a larger project to disconnect the US from the rest of the world. This includes withdrawing the US from multinational organizations, imposing punishing tariffs on every country in the world, promoting anti-globalization rhetoric, and rejecting multiculturalism. Foreign students on US campuses are a tangible and potent symbol of multiculturalism and interconnectedness to the rest of the world.

I remember you. You also mentioned that the problem was there were too many Jewish students at the universities which discounts everything your antisemitic self says.

[Anonymous]

Trump's end goal is grifting and petty revenge. He doesn't care about America. He only cares about himself and those who help him grift.

Musk is a chainsaw who enjoys breaking things and can retreat back into his wealth when his experiments all fail.

We need to vote them all out asap. We're the ones paying the price for all of this mess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster, but you must not be paying attention to scotus, trump and his plan for striking down birthright citizenship.
You will no longer be a citizen because your parents are immigrants.

I’m not worried. They’d become l US citizens when I was born.

I’m also married to someone whose great-great grandparents were immigrants in 1845. What about him?

I believe Trump and his people are trying to exclude everyone whose parents were not born in the US, thus irrelevant that your parents *became* citizens. He doesn't want them either. Your husband clears that hurdle. I'm always amazed at how easily people think they are in the protected class and this is about others. No, it's about you.
My family on both sides have been here for 200+ years, and yet, I'm still concerned about others and their being protected and not targeted by this white nationalism.

So 4 of his five kids should get excluded? Just Tiffany will be left? Wait, wasn’t Trump’s own mother a Scottish immigrant?
Meanwhile, the majority of African Americans are descendants of people who got here WAY before 1865. Being a white nationalist is more complicated than I realized.

He and his kids don't count, silly. And black people will be segregated out of white society/ education again. So will most women. There are hours and pages of interviews with the people who planned what is happening. First throw out the civil service, then foreigners, institutions, then political enemies, then everyone else who is not European white and Christian.
Might do you good to go read and watch what these people say out loud at coaching and podcasts and live events.

[Anonymous]

CPAC ^

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges want out of state kids hoping to lure in talent that will stay post graduation and improve their state. This is especially true of graduate school. I don’t see that happening with international students who take that education back home. If they want to pay on their dime that’s fine but taxpayer dollars flowing to private universities in particular should prioritize citizen students.

The vast majority of international students are full-pay.

Harvard alone receives 9 billion from US taxpayers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges want out of state kids hoping to lure in talent that will stay post graduation and improve their state. This is especially true of graduate school. I don’t see that happening with international students who take that education back home. If they want to pay on their dime that’s fine but taxpayer dollars flowing to private universities in particular should prioritize citizen students.

The vast majority of international students are full-pay.

Harvard alone receives 9 billion from US taxpayers.

What are they using this money for?

[Anonymous]

Hopefully more spots for Americans

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges want out of state kids hoping to lure in talent that will stay post graduation and improve their state. This is especially true of graduate school. I don’t see that happening with international students who take that education back home. If they want to pay on their dime that’s fine but taxpayer dollars flowing to private universities in particular should prioritize citizen students.

The vast majority of international students are full-pay.

Harvard alone receives 9 billion from US taxpayers.

What are they using this money for?

Research that benefits the public

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges want out of state kids hoping to lure in talent that will stay post graduation and improve their state. This is especially true of graduate school. I don’t see that happening with international students who take that education back home. If they want to pay on their dime that’s fine but taxpayer dollars flowing to private universities in particular should prioritize citizen students.

The vast majority of international students are full-pay.

Why not take more American full pay instead??

I think people like you need to understand two important things:

1) Most int'l students are full pay--and subsidize American students, especially at public institutions where they pay out-of-state rates. According to the Institute of International Education, nearly 67% of international students pay for tuition out of pocket from personal or family sources. At public universities, international students often pay higher tuition rates than in-state students, effectively subsidizing the cost of education for domestic students. My own DC's two closest friends at a state flagship university are full-pay foreign students paying around $70,000 for tuition and living expenses per year.

2) Most foreign students are not going to highly competitive colleges like Harvard (where, as many of you have implied, they are taking precious spots from American students--newsflash, your kid is STILL not going to get in to Harvard, even if no more foreign students are accepted). While Ivy League institutions do enroll international students, they constitute a relatively small percentage of the student body. A larger proportion of international students attend public universities and less selective private institutions. Many have come just for ESL programs, which is a moneymaker for colleges.

And what you need to understand is those students are not Americans. They can be full pay in their own country. We've hosted enough. They come here a protest the government - similar to me being invited to dinner at my neighbors and complaining about they way they run their home. The students are smart, they can be smart in their own country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges want out of state kids hoping to lure in talent that will stay post graduation and improve their state. This is especially true of graduate school. I don’t see that happening with international students who take that education back home. If they want to pay on their dime that’s fine but taxpayer dollars flowing to private universities in particular should prioritize citizen students.

The vast majority of international students are full-pay.

Harvard alone receives 9 billion from US taxpayers.

What are they using this money for?

Harvard is trying to answer exactly that question on their front page: https://www.harvard.edu/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the 2023-2024 academic year, international students at US colleges and universities contributed an estimated $43.8 billion to the US economy. This figure represented an all-time high, and it supported over 378,000 jobs.

Winning yet MAGA stupids?

Stop with the indoctrination garbage colleges have always had preachers on the quads spewing that is indoctrination not college.

We are not a Christian Nationalist country yet.
And god help us if they win this battle.

Higher education is a dam gift. It is not "indoctrination". Indoctrination is Congressmen and women walking around with golden pins of Trump's head made in China instead of their 9/11 American flag pins.

Reread your post. You and those that think like you are the reason for the rise of MAGA. I'm so tired of this polarized propaganda nonsense. You are just as bad as MAGA.