The End of College Life - Wash U Prof's article in the Atlantic

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Anonymous wrote:All Americans - liberal, conservative, and apolitical - should be very concerned about the future of college given how Trump & Vance are attacking it. It is arson with no architecture. They don't have a vision for fixing it, they just want it to die.

Sounds a lot like the progressive plan to “defund the police” actually.

And maybe a wake-up call that ideaological extremes of anything that involves the idea of “burning it all down”are not good for a free society.

The progressives plan to "defund the police" was to provide more funds for mental health and substance abuse and not have "police" respond to emergency calls that were mental health crisis. But go on with your false narratives.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. You don't get that racism is baked into every system, which was built on the backs of slavery. FYI, even before Trump arrived, people of color and women STILL didn't earn as much as white men, weren't represented on Boards or in the C-Suite as they should have been based on population.

And now the GOP wants women in their fertile years home raising babies, not attending college.

For those of us with kids who had been hoping to head to grad school/PhD programs this Fall, it's a nightmare One niece has been told by every program that they are all on hold (after being flown all over the country for people who wanted her to attend their schools), and another nephew who had been accepted, and awarded money, has been told it's also on hold.

We are a white family, and, I supported all the DEI initiatives

That you are a suburban white woman is a given.

DEI = It is a way for rich suburban white women to feel special and superior to others and look down upon people. You can send your children to private schools or provide with extra educational support with the resources you have. You can afford to admit far more poor immigrants into the country and drive down the wages of lower income Americans who are competing for these jobs. You can afford for public schools to be innudated with immigrant children who cannot speak english and teachers have to spend a lot of time trying to help these children. This reduces the quality of overall education. Your children are protected because you can provide them with additional support that other poorer Americans cannot.

I totally understand the need to help poor immigrants. They are hard working and are in an impossible situation in their native countries.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. You don't get that racism is baked into every system, which was built on the backs of slavery. FYI, even before Trump arrived, people of color and women STILL didn't earn as much as white men, weren't represented on Boards or in the C-Suite as they should have been based on population.

And now the GOP wants women in their fertile years home raising babies, not attending college.

For those of us with kids who had been hoping to head to grad school/PhD programs this Fall, it's a nightmare One niece has been told by every program that they are all on hold (after being flown all over the country for people who wanted her to attend their schools), and another nephew who had been accepted, and awarded money, has been told it's also on hold.

We are a white family, and, I supported all the DEI initiatives

NP. I suspect you supported ‘all the DEI initiatives’ as a white family from the comfort of an UMC suburb.

Those of who who worked out in the world and could see how these programs were run (and how much they cost) know that what PP said is accurate. It become an industry of grift and virtue signaling. I fully support DEI principles but it was way of out control as executed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see both sides. Universities have been on a wild spending spree- lazy rivers in dorms, every kid gets their own room and bathroom, cleaning ladies for dorms, massive gyms for regular students to work out in.

My best memories in college were spent in a triple (to the horror of current college students). It was so much fun that we all requested triples the next year too. College can be fun even if colleges spent less money on luxe facilities.

That being said- I love how Americans go off to college. My European friends all either lived at home or they lived in a big city and rented an appt near their university. It sounded totally different than my experience.

My maga in-laws biggest gripe is the massive endowments of these universities who are still accepting federal funds. I really can’t speak to that, but it gets brought up again and again.

Oh and to the person up thread AC is not a luxury.

Which colleges have this? We've toured a bunch and all are triple/doubles with shared bathrooms, have to clean bathrooms themselves for most part, and zero lazy rivers. Also, many dorms in southern CA at prestigious colleges with zero AC.

Apparently mostly 'MAGA country' colleges such as LSU, Mizzou, Texas Tech, Univ of Iowa, UCF, Univ of North FL,..............not to mention the most comfort/luxe dorms and facilities usually found in places that won't be affected by fed funding cuts such as Liberty and High Point.

U of I definitely doesn't have lazy rivers in the dorms--wtf.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All Americans - liberal, conservative, and apolitical - should be very concerned about the future of college given how Trump & Vance are attacking it. It is arson with no architecture. They don't have a vision for fixing it, they just want it to die.

Sounds a lot like the progressive plan to “defund the police” actually.

And maybe a wake-up call that ideaological extremes of anything that involves the idea of “burning it all down”are not good for a free society.

The progressives plan to "defund the police" was to provide more funds for mental health and substance abuse and not have "police" respond to emergency calls that were mental health crisis. But go on with your false narratives.

That is totally always the plan! LOL

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Peggy Noonan wrote a wonderful article "Trump and the Rise of the Unprotected". This should be a required reading for those who want to understand what is going on.

It was written on Feb. 25, 2016, and it is even more relevant today. In a small way it stands with Taleb's assertion that the longer something is relevant, the more likely it is to be relevant in future.

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Anonymous wrote:Peggy Noonan wrote a wonderful article "Trump and the Rise of the Unprotected". This should be a required reading for those who want to understand what is going on.

It was written on Feb. 25, 2016, and it is even more relevant today. In a small way it stands with Taleb's assertion that the longer something is relevant, the more likely it is to be relevant in future.

Summary please or don’t post

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NOt allowing me to post any summary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. You don't get that racism is baked into every system, which was built on the backs of slavery. FYI, even before Trump arrived, people of color and women STILL didn't earn as much as white men, weren't represented on Boards or in the C-Suite as they should have been based on population.

And now the GOP wants women in their fertile years home raising babies, not attending college.

For those of us with kids who had been hoping to head to grad school/PhD programs this Fall, it's a nightmare One niece has been told by every program that they are all on hold (after being flown all over the country for people who wanted her to attend their schools), and another nephew who had been accepted, and awarded money, has been told it's also on hold.

We are a white family, and, I supported all the DEI initiatives

That you are a suburban white woman is a given.

DEI = It is a way for rich suburban white women to feel special and superior to others and look down upon people. You can send your children to private schools or provide with extra educational support with the resources you have. You can afford to admit far more poor immigrants into the country and drive down the wages of lower income Americans who are competing for these jobs. You can afford for public schools to be innudated with immigrant children who cannot speak english and teachers have to spend a lot of time trying to help these children. This reduces the quality of overall education. Your children are protected because you can provide them with additional support that other poorer Americans cannot.

I totally understand the need to help poor immigrants. They are hard working and are in an impossible situation in their native countries.

My comments above would look mean and harsh, but they are not meant to be. You are probably a very nice person as most liberals are. But what you do not see is the actual implementation of the policies you support and how they impact others. The view from down below the people who actually experience your choices are quite different.

If you could read Peggy Noonan's article it hits the mark exactly where the issue is better than anything I can say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. You don't get that racism is baked into every system, which was built on the backs of slavery. FYI, even before Trump arrived, people of color and women STILL didn't earn as much as white men, weren't represented on Boards or in the C-Suite as they should have been based on population.

And now the GOP wants women in their fertile years home raising babies, not attending college.

For those of us with kids who had been hoping to head to grad school/PhD programs this Fall, it's a nightmare One niece has been told by every program that they are all on hold (after being flown all over the country for people who wanted her to attend their schools), and another nephew who had been accepted, and awarded money, has been told it's also on hold.

We are a white family, and, I supported all the DEI initiatives

That you are a suburban white woman is a given.

DEI = It is a way for rich suburban white women to feel special and superior to others and look down upon people. You can send your children to private schools or provide with extra educational support with the resources you have. You can afford to admit far more poor immigrants into the country and drive down the wages of lower income Americans who are competing for these jobs. You can afford for public schools to be innudated with immigrant children who cannot speak english and teachers have to spend a lot of time trying to help these children. This reduces the quality of overall education. Your children are protected because you can provide them with additional support that other poorer Americans cannot.

I totally understand the need to help poor immigrants. They are hard working and are in an impossible situation in their native countries.

My comments above would look mean and harsh, but they are not meant to be. You are probably a very nice person as most liberals are. But what you do not see is the actual implementation of the policies you support and how they impact others. The view from down below the people who actually experience your choices are quite different.

If you could read Peggy Noonan's article it hits the mark exactly where the issue is better than anything I can say.

This article is behind a paywall for most of us. If you don't share a gift link, it doesn't contribute much to the conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see both sides. Universities have been on a wild spending spree- lazy rivers in dorms, every kid gets their own room and bathroom, cleaning ladies for dorms, massive gyms for regular students to work out in.

My best memories in college were spent in a triple (to the horror of current college students). It was so much fun that we all requested triples the next year too. College can be fun even if colleges spent less money on luxe facilities.

That being said- I love how Americans go off to college. My European friends all either lived at home or they lived in a big city and rented an appt near their university. It sounded totally different than my experience.

My maga in-laws biggest gripe is the massive endowments of these universities who are still accepting federal funds. I really can’t speak to that, but it gets brought up again and again.

Oh and to the person up thread AC is not a luxury.

Which colleges have this? We've toured a bunch and all are triple/doubles with shared bathrooms, have to clean bathrooms themselves for most part, and zero lazy rivers. Also, many dorms in southern CA at prestigious colleges with zero AC.

Apparently mostly 'MAGA country' colleges such as LSU, Mizzou, Texas Tech, Univ of Iowa, UCF, Univ of North FL,..............not to mention the most comfort/luxe dorms and facilities usually found in places that won't be affected by fed funding cuts such as Liberty and High Point.

U of I definitely doesn't have lazy rivers in the dorms--wtf.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/find-colleges/articles/college-comparisons/colleges-coolest-pools-swimming-facilities/#:~:text=The%20University%20of%20Iowa&text=There%20is%20a%2025%20person,those%20cold%2C%20cold%20Iowa%20winters.

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The cost of College has gotten out of control. Many, even public institutions, at 40-90k with living expenses.
College degrees should be revamped, removing some non essential credits, reducing the term to a 3 yr degree(s).
I think the students will continue to be well rounded as they move on into their respective careers.
Just my two cents.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we should adopt the European model of all schools being essentially commuter schools based in big cities and students living at home. Those from rural areas should get the doems but there should be no special prestige in dorm life.
I come from a country like this and there was no special desired social life in the dorms, or it included the kids who lived at home too.
Such a waste of parents money to think that dorm life is something of huge value.

Awful. I wouldn't want my kids doing that. It's basically like high school 2.0 in Europe.

I'm not sure that dorm life is a huge value, but I absolutely believe in going off to a college away from home for 4 years. If money is an issue, yes please go to a commuter college. Most mid sized or larger cities have a local college.

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Lazy river person here- I actually wasn't exaggerating. The lazy rivers I've seen have wound inside and outside. I just didn't see the value other than to attract kids to the school. I don't remember a recreation pool at all at my university. If you wanted to swim there were Olympic sized lap pools, but you couldn't just hang out at them on a tubie. The gyms are insanity too. Everywhere else in your real life you have to pay for a gym membership, so why are they building state of the art gyms for free?

I think most of college excess stems from the national rankings. They're trying to get kids to apply to boost their rankings.