Fight at Whitman

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS needs specialized schools for troubled kids who are not in Juvie. Or Maryland could run these schools for the state.

This is the real answer that for political reasons no one wants to deal with. It should be this or jail. But in the absence of a place like this, it should be jail over a regular high school where they will be free to do something like this again.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whitman is probably the wealthiest school in an already wealthy county. For that reason, they have been vilified and guilted into taking various low income, disruptive students. Because why should well-off kids from nice backgrounds be able to live peacefully huh? They should be forced to live in terror too.

Now you see the end result of supposedly "compassionate" programs. It's really just score settling and old vendettas come to life. Resentment for the achieving and functional class and punishment for their children.

If Whitman parents dont do something about this they should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

So.. where should those kids be sent to? Anywhere other than Whitman? NIMBY at its finest.

How about a school in their own neighborhood? With kids from a similar background who are used to dealing with this particular brand of BS

Umm no. Just because we’re not wealthy doesn’t mean our kids should deal with violence.
They need to fund more schools for kids expelled from their home school and stop keep moving them around.

If you raised your kids in a broke neighborhood they've likely already been around this kind of violence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whitman is probably the wealthiest school in an already wealthy county. For that reason, they have been vilified and guilted into taking various low income, disruptive students. Because why should well-off kids from nice backgrounds be able to live peacefully huh? They should be forced to live in terror too.

Now you see the end result of supposedly "compassionate" programs. It's really just score settling and old vendettas come to life. Resentment for the achieving and functional class and punishment for their children.

If Whitman parents dont do something about this they should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

So.. where should those kids be sent to? Anywhere other than Whitman? NIMBY at its finest.

How about a school in their own neighborhood? With kids from a similar background who are used to dealing with this particular brand of BS

You can always count on Whitman parents to come through with three arguments:

1) We aren't THAT rich. We're practically poor by Saudi standards.

2) All problems at Whitman are the fault of the "the group home"

3) Whitman families should be able to "buy out" of dealing with kids who have experienced trauma

To your 3) : no not just Whitman families, all families feel that way

Apparently that's not the view of the poster who said kids should go back to their own neighborhoods where the other kids know how to deal with them...

For normal people you dont have to "buy your way out of trauma". How are parents who raised their kids in a nice, clean neighborhood, didn't abuse their children, didn't raise their kids while strung out on drugs or alcohol, and generally did a good job, supposed to be responsible for utterly FUBAR kids whose parents have failed them in every way, or may have just been born criminals (who knows?) with severe behavioral and psychological issues? For that matter, how are 14 and 15 year olds supposed to possible "handle" and deal with these kids that even grown adults are frightened of and unable to manage? You seem to think that there's some kind of magical air in the 20817 zip code that's going to instantly cure these kids of their violent tendencies... and that the exceptional SAT and testing scores of Whitman students is due to some kind of osmosis/luck, where as soon as you step foot in a 500 foot radius of the building your antisocial personality disorder and illiteracy will vanish. That's not the case- most Whitman parent prioritized their children, helped them with their homework, taught their kids to be diligent and hard working... and now you want to place the burden of dysfunctional juvenile delinquents on them because "it's not fair that your kids are doing so well and these kids arent!" That's sick.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Whitman is probably the wealthiest school in an already wealthy county. For that reason, they have been vilified and guilted into taking various low income, disruptive students. Because why should well-off kids from nice backgrounds be able to live peacefully huh? They should be forced to live in terror too.

Now you see the end result of supposedly "compassionate" programs. It's really just score settling and old vendettas come to life. Resentment for the achieving and functional class and punishment for their children.

If Whitman parents dont do something about this they should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

So.. where should those kids be sent to? Anywhere other than Whitman? NIMBY at its finest.

How about a school in their own neighborhood? With kids from a similar background who are used to dealing with this particular brand of BS

Some schools have special programs for troubled kids. Lots of HS around MoCo have such programs where kids are bused in from elsewhere. Why should Whitman be excluded from housing such programs?

I think it is fine to have the programs at Whitman, but it needs to be more than optics. Much like some kids with severe special needs need 1-1 support , these kids need it too, but in a different way. They should have staff ensuring they are attending class and not just hanging out in the bathroom, should have lots of support throughout the day both academically and mental health wise. Just sticking them in Whitman and not providing a lot of support for them, doesn’t help them at all. Many of these kids have grown up with intense traumas in their lives, they need A TON of support. The current set-up helps nobody.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS needs specialized schools for troubled kids who are not in Juvie. Or Maryland could run these schools for the state.

This is the real answer that for political reasons no one wants to deal with. It should be this or jail. But in the absence of a place like this, it should be jail over a regular high school where they will be free to do something like this again.

MoCo used to have problem and rehab schools but they closed because we wanted want the F’Ups to think of them selves as F’Ups. That and most of the kids were not white so they rather bury there poor performance inside bigger schools instead of taking the heat for SJWs who think problems are everybody else’s fault

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whitman is probably the wealthiest school in an already wealthy county. For that reason, they have been vilified and guilted into taking various low income, disruptive students. Because why should well-off kids from nice backgrounds be able to live peacefully huh? They should be forced to live in terror too.

Now you see the end result of supposedly "compassionate" programs. It's really just score settling and old vendettas come to life. Resentment for the achieving and functional class and punishment for their children.

If Whitman parents dont do something about this they should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

So.. where should those kids be sent to? Anywhere other than Whitman? NIMBY at its finest.

How about a school in their own neighborhood? With kids from a similar background who are used to dealing with this particular brand of BS

You can always count on Whitman parents to come through with three arguments:

1) We aren't THAT rich. We're practically poor by Saudi standards.

2) All problems at Whitman are the fault of the "the group home"

3) Whitman families should be able to "buy out" of dealing with kids who have experienced trauma

To your 3) : no not just Whitman families, all families feel that way

Traumatizing MORE kids is no solution for anyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The statement from Principal Miller is an utter joke. The kids need to be expelled. It was actually savagery to see the way they beat and stomped that kid and even barred other kids from entering the bathroom to try to help

Miller was a terrible assistant principal during his time at Churchill. He's a big supporter of restorative justice. That's what will happen to those that caused the fight. No consequences, no penalties. More fights to come.

Unfortunately that is the only way to move up in MCPS. You have to drink the koolaid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If kids do not go to class and just create trouble, why do we force them to stay? I think we should allow kids to drop out at 15.

But since we don’t have that law, what do we do with kids like these? It seems like there are no options but to shuffle them to another school where they can continue the same antics.

Montgomery County is an enlightened place and made a law that you can’t drop out of high school until you are 18. Easier to just give everyone a diploma

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The statement from Principal Miller is an utter joke. The kids need to be expelled. It was actually savagery to see the way they beat and stomped that kid and even barred other kids from entering the bathroom to try to help

Miller was a terrible assistant principal during his time at Churchill. He's a big supporter of restorative justice. That's what will happen to those that caused the fight. No consequences, no penalties. More fights to come.

That's really disappointing. I went to Whitman in the early 2000s and the principal at the time (can't remember his name) was great and really fair. Pretty much everyone liked him. It's very sad that these plugged in principals that cared about students have been replaced by political activists that dont care at all about the children's safety. It's actually horrifying.

You're thinking of Jerome Marco, the Principal prior to Alan Goodman.

The person who wrote that Miler was a terrible administrator his single year at Churchill is absolutely correct. He was a complete joke who earned little respect from teachers. I know because I am a Churchill teacher.

The climate has changed though. Principals have much less leeway as to what they can and can’t do. And social justice + anti-racism is all MCPS cares about these days

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whitman is probably the wealthiest school in an already wealthy county. For that reason, they have been vilified and guilted into taking various low income, disruptive students. Because why should well-off kids from nice backgrounds be able to live peacefully huh? They should be forced to live in terror too.

Now you see the end result of supposedly "compassionate" programs. It's really just score settling and old vendettas come to life. Resentment for the achieving and functional class and punishment for their children.

If Whitman parents dont do something about this they should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

So.. where should those kids be sent to? Anywhere other than Whitman? NIMBY at its finest.

How about a school in their own neighborhood? With kids from a similar background who are used to dealing with this particular brand of BS

You can always count on Whitman parents to come through with three arguments:

1) We aren't THAT rich. We're practically poor by Saudi standards.

2) All problems at Whitman are the fault of the "the group home"

3) Whitman families should be able to "buy out" of dealing with kids who have experienced trauma

This is true. They also love to say- send troubled kids to poorer schools because those kids are used to this kind of stuff already. Apparently everywhere outside Bethesda and Potomac is ganglandia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whitman is probably the wealthiest school in an already wealthy county. For that reason, they have been vilified and guilted into taking various low income, disruptive students. Because why should well-off kids from nice backgrounds be able to live peacefully huh? They should be forced to live in terror too.

Now you see the end result of supposedly "compassionate" programs. It's really just score settling and old vendettas come to life. Resentment for the achieving and functional class and punishment for their children.

If Whitman parents dont do something about this they should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

So.. where should those kids be sent to? Anywhere other than Whitman? NIMBY at its finest.

How about a school in their own neighborhood? With kids from a similar background who are used to dealing with this particular brand of BS

This is their neighborhood. Plenty of kids go out of neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

What will it take to get specialized, separate schools back? Or at least expulsion (I anticipate the former is likelier)?

[Anonymous]

The only thing that gets these kids moved is when the are in front of a judge. Judge has to decide what is best for the juvenile. It can take a while and usually several “misdeeds” that break probation but eventually that can mean juvenile's detention.

[Anonymous]

Anyone know what happened to the perpetrators? Did they come back to school?

[Anonymous]

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